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[Heimdall]

Cassandra and Josephine are both beautiful to my eyes.  When people say they're ugly or claim Cass looks mannish I'm bewildered.  I have no idea what they're talking about.  The only female LI whose face seemed unattractive to me was Sera, but that didn't stop me from romancing her on my first playthrough, I adore that crazy girl.

 

This whole issue mystifies me.

[Han Shot First]

I think there should be a mix of attractive, plain, and ugly people just as there are in real life. I think where female NPCs in DA:I look a bit off, is in that the hair options for characters in that game are extremely limited and most appear geared for male characters than female. I think at most there is like two or three hair options that look feminine. So you have this great abundance of female characters in DA:I who have either military style buzzcuts or even male pattern baldness. (WTF on that last one) A little bit of androgyny is fine so long as it makes sense for the character (see Krem or Cassandra), but it is odd when half of all characters in the game universe go that route.

 

Speaking of ugly characters, I'm all for some of those so long as they are purposely designed that way to be interesting. A good example of that is Jarl Holger Blackhand in The Witcher 3.

 

Picture of him in the Strategy Guide

 

Sadly thats the only link I could find with an image of him, and its not a close up. But he's got this gruesome scar running down his face and is blind in one eye.

 

Another example is the crossbowman that King Foltest addresses here at 0:31:

 

[Rannik]

None of the female advisors or companions in DAI look ugly. For once we didn't get unrealistic supermodels in swimwear to the rescue. Some people need to get out more, and get a dose of reality.

 

The point of entertainment is having an enjoyable experience and humans prefer looking at sexually attractive subjects. That is not my opinion that is a fact that has been observed in a endless amount experiments, is not actually up for debate at this point unless you have evidence to the contrary.

 

And looking for "doses of reality" in a videogame is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard... just save 50€ and go for a walk instead.

[ME_Fan]

A blonde would be nice, Mass Effect has never had a major blonde character. Just hope they don't do another Sera UGH.

[PrayingMantis]

Hey sure, if people want most female characters to look beautiful I want my fair share too. Where all the handsome supermodel men? I have been disappointed in that regard with most of the games I've played. Nearly every male npc I've ever seen in game I'd rather avoid meeting in reallife to be honest. Most games have also a lot of male npcs that look as if they're in their late sixties, but why don't I see anyone complaining about that?

 

The excuse of making unrealistic pretty people in games for entertainment is pretty bold and shallow, if it's only used when talking about female characters.

(I say "unrealistic" because most female characters I've seen in videogames do share very similar facial features and that is actually pretty unrealistic.)

 

A character's face has to tell the player something about their personality and BioWare tends to do a decent job in that area. Enhancing someones beauty by making somebody "sexier" could most likey make them loose something of that personality. It doesn't have to, but it can.

I mean look at EDI's designs from the concept art. It was very original and interesting, but they went with the "sexy one" instead. Her character lost something special with that change, somethig what could have made her look a little bit more special and interesting in my opinion.

[SpacePirateRegis]

I actually loved the detail in all character models in Inquisition!

Even NPCs!

But then again, I played the game on Xbox One and PC maxed out.  Not sure how the game looks on old-gen.

Luckily according the next Mass Effect game will be current gen only (Xbox One, PS4, PC), so it won't be held back so much in development!

[N7Jamaican]

I am sure N:ME will be way more polished in the graphics department that DA:I...  When I first played ME1, I thought "damn this is a pretty game..."  When ME2 came out, I was blown away.

 

DA:I looks awesome, I didn't see a problem with how NPCs looked..  

[Pasquale1234]

The point of entertainment is having an enjoyable experience and humans prefer looking at sexually attractive subjects. That is not my opinion that is a fact that has been observed in a endless amount experiments, is not actually up for debate at this point unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Two things:

1) Not everyone looks for or wants "sexually attractive subjects" to pervade all forms of media. Some people actually enjoy variety.

2) Not everyone has the same taste or preferences as to what constitutes a "sexually attractive subject". What some people find very appealing, others find very off-putting. Clearly, you've had your tastes indulged in every form of media for so long, you seem to think you have a right to complain when it isn't. It's high time that people with different tastes got their share of eye candy.

PS: I think Cassandra is the most stunning character I've seen for a very long time.

[camphor]

I'll never understand people asking for "attractive" NPC's or romance options. Oddly enough not every woman looks like a Victoria Secret's model and not every man is a demi-god with biceps bigger then Bournemouth.

It's subjective, while true there are people which most will happily agree on being "attractive" but does it matter? 

I always thought that games where about a good story, solid gameplay and immersion. Which means not just interesting but believable characters which haven't been stole from the front page of Vogue but maybe I'm just being a silly and every other character should be a human aphrodite. 

 

I can understand people wanting good looking companions/advisers but would you not rather have an intriguing character with good writing and an actual personality instead? Ah well, I just hope the NPC's hair doesn't look like it was glued onto their head.

No, no you didn't. unless you never played a game before the year 2000 because the characters were pixels with little story (few exceptions) solid game play no immersion and every female was in a bathing suit we call the bikini

[camphor]

Hey sure, if people want most female characters to look beautiful I want my fair share too. Where all the handsome supermodel men? I have been disappointed in that regard with most of the games I've played. Nearly every male npc I've ever seen in game I'd rather avoid meeting in reallife to be honest. Most games have also a lot of male npcs that look as if they're in their late sixties, but why don't I see anyone complaining about that?

 

The excuse of making unrealistic pretty people in games for entertainment is pretty bold and shallow, if it's only used when talking about female characters.

(I say "unrealistic" because most female characters I've seen in videogames do share very similar facial features and that is actually pretty unrealistic.)

 

A character's face has to tell the player something about their personality and BioWare tends to do a decent job in that area. Enhancing someones beauty by making somebody "sexier" could most likey make them loose something of that personality. It doesn't have to, but it can.

I mean look at EDI's designs from the concept art. It was very original and interesting, but they went with the "sexy one" instead. Her character lost something special with that change, somethig what could have made her look a little bit more special and interesting in my opinion.

sorry for double post but this person is dead on. dont take away the sexy women from my fantasy game just make sure women gamers have there eye candy too

 

that said i had no issue with dragon age characters Cassandra was awesome.

 

Arguing for a well developed character is a good thing we should always strive for a complexity, but saying someone needs to be ugly for realism in a fantasy game to me is stupid. 

 

Fantasy as in not real life, as in i dont want to be a semi out of shape 20 something arguing on a forum about looks of video games i want to be an in shape 30 something whos a badass and kills dragons/giantroboticsquids  surrounded by good looking people who are also badass and also kill giantrobotsquids/dragons

 

only reason someone should be ugly in a fantasy game is for plot/backstory/character development purposes Story comes first in this regard

[Wyvernet]

I also enjoy having attractive characters in video games, but I don't enjoy it when it when characters all end up having one kind of beauty. I think (and this is just my opinion) that when people say they don't want supermodels in the games, it means they don't want the stereotypical look that comes up when you type in 'supermodel' into Google images, that being large eyes, thin shaped eyebrows, full mouth, defined cheekbones, smooth flawless skin and straight noses. There's nothing wrong with that kind of beauty, because that is the stereotypical kind of beauty in the current Western society. However, it would get kind of boring if all characters looked like that.

 

So when people say they want 'realistic' characters, they may mean that they want attractive characters with freckles, moles, button noses, scars, thin lips, smaller mouths, rounder faces or more defined jawlines. Characteristics that would make a character look more unique. Or characteristics associated with beauty from other ethnicities. I would personally prefer to see attractive characters who don't only follow stereotypical standards of beauty.

 

This is just my opinion, so I'm sorry if I'm imposing on anyone.

[Rannik]

Where all the handsome supermodel men?

 
There are plenty of them, or are you arguing that the average male videogame character is not significantly more attractive than the average person?
 
Because if that's the case you either have a very (VERY) unusual taste or are not paying attention.
 

Two things:

1) Not everyone looks for or wants "sexually attractive subjects" to pervade all forms of media. Some people actually enjoy variety.

Human biology disagrees, but if somehow lying to yourself makes you feel better then go ahead.
 

2) Not everyone has the same taste or preferences as to what constitutes a "sexually attractive subject".

So? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying, sexual attractiveness is indeed subjective, human reaction to it is very much not.
 

Clearly, you've had your tastes indulged in every form of media for so long, you seem to think you have a right to complain when it isn't.

Clearly you cannot guess the "tastes" of some stranger on the Internet, nor know if his/her tastes were ever indulged in any type of media. You also seem to think to hold the keys to others right to put down some facts or publicly express their opinion, when that is most certainly not the case.

[Torgette]

Ehm, Dragon Age Inquisition has probably the least derpy looking NPC's in any recent rpg's i've played, it's almost too clean. TW3 on the flip side has tons of derp, but it's intentional.

[Rannik]

So when people say they want 'realistic' characters, they may mean that they want attractive characters with freckles, moles, button noses, scars, thin lips, smaller mouths, rounder faces or more defined jawlines. Characteristics that would make a character look more unique. Or characteristics associated with beauty from other ethnicities.

Then what they're actually saying is "I want more attractive characters", not the opposite.

There's nothing wrong with the fact that we enjoy good looking (according to taste) characters, it's completely natural and there's no reason to be hypocritical about it unless you want to sound kind of sexually repressed.

[von uber]

There's nothing wrong with the fact that we enjoy good looking (according to taste) characters, it's completely natural and there's no reason to be hypocritical about it unless you want to sound kind of sexually repressed.

Yes, because that is only possible reason. Sexual repression.

Bugger me why didn't I think of that before? It's so obvious now!

[Sion1138]

I haven't played Inquisition but have seen the characters, I find them charming.

 

And I'll admit, I don't like characters being mere images of perfection.

[Helios969]

I guess I'll weigh in on this.  Not overly picky in any of this, but my issue in any of these games with appearance is lack of consistency.  Ash was already attractive in ME1/2; suddenly in ME3 she's all super model, (I guess that explains that huge jump from Gunnery Sergeant to Lieutenant Colonel;).  Cass goes from cute in DA2 to looking like a he-she (first pic I saw of her I was thinking who is this guy...not realizing it was her).  I suspect many peoples issue with the new-look Cassandra was that change from DA2 to DAI.  I loved Sera and her general wackiness, but her appearance is what I'd consider middle of the road.  Josie was very attractive, but I found her to be a pretty bland character.  Now if I could stuff Sera's personality into Josephine's bod...  Both Morrigan and Leliana were looking fine though.

 

I guess I'd like to see a bit better looking females overall in ME:N but not to the Ash extreme either.  Of more importance to me are characters/potential romances that are interesting with depth.

[von uber]

I like Cassandra (note not played DA:2). I think she actually looks quite realistic for what she is supposed to be.

 

 

The same for Sera:

 

 

I prefer this look over ME3 anyway, which seem to be too perfect to be real:

 

[goishen]

I like Cassandra (note not played DA:2). I think she actually looks quite realistic for what she is supposed to be.

 

 

I think what BioWare really wants for us to do is "get our hands dirty" with DA franchise.  I could never really get into that, though.  I'd prefer a story about human choice over faith any day of the week.  Twice on Sundays.

[BraveVesperia]

I've never seen this thread before.

That OP is hilarious: "After seeing characters like Tali..." Sorry Cassandra and Josephine, apparently your looks can't hope to compare with a pair of glowing eyes behind a pink visor? 

 

I can't see what's so unappealing about Cass and Josie. They're easily as attractive as the previous DA/ME characters, imo. Possibly more so - Cassandra's bone structure is just beautiful!

[Linkenski]

I thought all the main characters in DA:I Looked fine. Sera and Cassandra looked intentionally less-than-ideal on purpose, and I have to admit, I kind of liked that. In movies you have to deal wth a lot of really great actors who don't look like they belong on the front page of a fashion magazine, and that's totally fine and realistic.

 

I love Witcher 3's rather sexy cast of good looking women and male hunks but I find myself admiring DA:I's approach and I felt it was rather brave too and not in an SJW way. (believe me, there's plenty of SJW in DA:I but I don't think it goes for the character designs as much).

 

When it comes to all the "whatever" NPCs though, Bioware will never learn how to make them look right. I can't believe they actually had someone design the face of Mother Giselle and say "this looks like a real human being". I could live with it for Mass Effect 1 and 2 because those games didn't look completely realistic, but with the bump up in graphical fidelity and approach to realism with ME3 and now also DA:I it becomes more and more jarring how terrible the side-NPCs look.

 

 

Her mouth is potruded too far, her eyes... I don't know. She looks like someone who has some kind of disability and that goes for too many of these cheaply made NPCs that don't have face-scan.

 

 

This guy too. They just don't look natural one bit. This wouldn't be a problem if it didn't stick out like a sore thumb next to the ones that do look somewhat real like:

 

 

(sorry for the annoying filter)

 

Perhaps it's about time Bioware spend some money on face-scans for side-NPCs and then you'll have to deal with seeing the same faces a couple of times when you're walking around on some space-station. It would be better than this IMO. If GTA, RDR and The Witcher can do this, these guys can too. Just make sure the player gets a customizeable face mesh though

 

PS. I have no idea about developer-economy and how expensive modeling for face-scan, or face-scan models are.