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[Ky88]

I am currently in my second play through and am curious about the order of these two quests. I did adamant and then wicked in that order the first time and was curious if any difference occurred if you flipped things around.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Only references during some dialogue will change as far as I'm aware. Story wise though its best to do adamant first.

[Avejajed]

I don't know if I wasn't paying much attention or what but I didn't notice a difference. My first playthrough I did Wicked first and this last time I did Adamant first.  Maybe there were some references with dialogue but even that I didn't notice anything important.

[Ky88]

Why is it better to do adamant first?

[Korva]

I did Adamant before Halamshiral, because I expected the former to be more fun than diving into the rancid cesspit of Blight-tainted vipers that is politics, especially Orlesian politics. Still, I think Wicked Eyes before Abyss might feel a bit more natural since we learn that Corypheus wants Celene dead in the templar/mage recruitment, and it feels a bit odd that the peace talks and the assassination plans are patiently on hold until the Inquisitor deigns to drop by.

[Feranel]

Depending on some of your choices with DA:O, if you do Wicked Eyes before Adamant, you may be able to experience a cut scene where Kieran unknowingly meets his father.

[Reiku0]

Depending on some of your choices with DA:O, if you do Wicked Eyes before Adamant, you may be able to experience a cut scene where Kieran unknowingly meets his father.

 

Explain please.

[Feranel]

if your Warden Ally is Alistair or Loghain, they will eventually run into Morrigan at Skyhold. If Morrigan has a son, it will either be the child of HOF, Alistair, Or Loghain. And there will be dialogue about it.
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=J6eLYvbATjs

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

Doing Adamant before Wicked Eyes can cause some bugs with Morrigan's dialogue depending on your Keep decisions.

[Arlee]

I did Wicked and then Adamant my first playthrough and that felt like it made sense and wasn't out of order.

[Monica21]

Adamant actually feels more urgent to me. Basically, "The Wardens are going crazy and holed up in some fortress for blood magicky reasons" versus, "The Empress is having a party and we need invites."

 

I mean, there are definitely good reasons to do either first, but Adamant seems to make more sense to me.

[Korva]

That's actually how I feel, too -- save the leader I don't know of a country I don't like, or stop whatever is messing with the world's only anti-darkspawn force when the big bad is a darkspawn himself? Easy choice, even if you don't hate politics.

 

But I'd assume that the date for the grand ball is already decided by the time Wicked Eyes and Abyss become available, and that said day is not too far off. Doing the entirety of Abyss first means that first you have to head across or around the Frostbacks into Ferelden, then back the same way before trekking all the way out to the extremely inhospitable Western Approach with your away team. Then all the way back to Skyhold. Then back out there again with your (slower) army in tow. In-game each trip is only a matter of seconds and a loading screen, but in-world the whole mission would probably take few months even if Cullen keeps the forces gathered, supplied and ready to go at a moment's notice. Also, it's probably easier to move an army through an allied country (post-Halamshiral Orlais), both in terms of logistics and in terms of not freaking people out.

 

That's why my own "canon" is likely going to be Crestwood - Halamshiral - Western Approach.

[setrus86]

That's why my own "canon" is likely going to be Crestwood - Halamshiral - Western Approach.

 

That's probably a good order, yes.

[Ky88]

It seems that the difference is mainly preferential. I will try the ball first this time to see which is more natural for me with regards to story.

[Arlee]

Oh I agree Adamant is much more urgent. However, in my first pt I didn't unlock the Western Approach until after I did Wicked, so I didn't really know what the Wardens were up to until then. And the way everything played out it didn't feel out of place.

[Shark17676]

It always made more sense to me to do Wicked Eyes before Adamant.

[Addai]

Adamant actually feels more urgent to me. Basically, "The Wardens are going crazy and holed up in some fortress for blood magicky reasons" versus, "The Empress is having a party and we need invites."

 

I mean, there are definitely good reasons to do either first, but Adamant seems to make more sense to me.

Securing the ruler of Orlais is a pretty big deal.

[Monica21]

Securing the ruler of Orlais is a pretty big deal.

 

Yes.

[Tielis]

On a related note, how do you all feel about putting off the main storyline until you've fully explored every region?  I've picked up my "Warden" from Crestwood, and I do plan to do Halamshiral first, but I really want to complete every zone I possibly can until going through the main quest because I hate interrupting the flow.

 

Any ideas how I can headcanon exploring the Western Approach (and then leaving) before heading into initial ruin with Hawke?

[dragonflight288]

On a related note, how do you all feel about putting off the main storyline until you've fully explored every region?  I've picked up my "Warden" from Crestwood, and I do plan to do Halamshiral first, but I really want to complete every zone I possibly can until going through the main quest because I hate interrupting the flow.

 

Any ideas how I can headcanon exploring the Western Approach (and then leaving) before heading into initial ruin with Hawke?

 

I don't know about the Western Approach, but the Hissing Wastes in its very description talks about a large Venatori presence. You can roleplay your Inquisitor taking a priority over these various things in these individual areas. 

[Korva]

On a related note, how do you all feel about putting off the main storyline until you've fully explored every region? 

 

Terrible. I too am a completionist and just find myself torn at every turn -- continue to see what the main story brings, or explore more to see what else they put into the game and, at least as importantly, trigger as many banters as possible. While I've enjoyed most of the optional zones so far, I do wish they'd cut out a third or so of the zones in favor of more main story and companion content. Turning over every rock and waiting for just one more banter really clashes HARD with the neverending urgency of the storyline. There's never really a lull where the story says "okay, we don't know what Corypheus wants, poke about and kick over his sandcastles wherever you find them to discover clues to the master plan". IMO that is a definite weakness both in terms of making it feel OOC to do the optional content as well as in terms of removing some mystery from the story.

 

I'd especially have preferred such a lull after Adamant and Halamshiral. Perfect time for it, the enemy is off-balance but not beaten, what does he want, where does he go? Morrigan flouncing in and spilling it grated me not only because I detest that character but also because it's such bad hand-holding, and from an outsider no less. I'd rather put my own efforts and my own people into finding out what happens next.

[Milan92]

IMO

 

HLTA Crestwood

 

WEWH Halamshiral

 

HLTA Western Approach

 

HLTA Adamant

 

I feel like the assassination is the more immediate danger. No leader in Orlais, no army to fight the Wardens if Corypheus succeeds. Pacing is also better this since you'd be crushing a good portion Corypheus' army at Adamant and the reveal about the spirit of Faith happens towards the end. Then there's the fact that this order allows you to work your away across the map right to left slowly eroding Corypheus' support. Also Morrigan hanging out around Skyhold with Loghain and Leliana there is worth it (wish there was more between those three).

 

Won't doing Inner Circle quests between Crestwood and Halamshiral ruin the immersion? Since you can't dance with Cass or whoever your LI is at the time if you haven't done their quests.

 

Unless ofcourse its of no concern

[wepeel_]

Adamant actually feels more urgent to me. Basically, "The Wardens are going crazy and holed up in some fortress for blood magicky reasons" versus, "The Empress is having a party and we need invites."

 

I mean, there are definitely good reasons to do either first, but Adamant seems to make more sense to me.

 

Once you reach the Western Approach and see what's happening to the Wardens, possibly. Before that though, it's "we know our enemy will move on the empress at this particular event" vs "the wardens all seem to be gone".

[Cismontane]

My favorite order (and military rationale) is

- Crestwood (no particular reason, seems rude to keep Hawke waiting, complete stabilization of Ferelden first)
*put Hawke and warden on ice.. They can cool their heels at skyhold for a year or so while the military situation is stabilized*
*Dales, Eastern Orlais offensive*
- Exalted (stabilize military situation in part of the Dales for Celene and Gaspard)
- Wicked (stabilize Dales/western Orlais, obtain army support)
- Emerald (destroy those rebels, with Orlesian support, advancing in the Dales)
- Emprise (at which point eastern Orlais appears to be secured for the inquisition and crown)
*western offensive*
- forbidden oasis (begin military move to reclaim western Orlais)
- western approach (advance in westand expose warden conspiracy, begin to secure approach and supply chain to Adamant)
- hissing wastes (advance in west, further secure approach and supply chain to Adamant)
- Adamant (need the west secured before you can move a large force in place to besiege a hard point like Adamant)

This makes sense to me, even though the AI won't give you experience for individual kills in the western approach because you're leveled up too far by then.

I get the urgency of Adamant, but moving an army for weeks through what is basically hostile territory to lay siege to a fortress seems militarily nonsensitical.

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