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[Steffin]

Does anyone else constantly see parallelisms between DA and WH universe? The demons, the gray wardens ( gray knights), Imperium..... Andraste (Emperor), chaos (red templers), even of the blind Andraste followers statements and how the propaganda for the Emperor is projected post Horus. there is a conversation in skyhold about blind faith and there is an interaction judgment mission about going on and pressing Andraste upon non-believers for redemption.... Then of course the inquisition itself, and Cass explaining the role of the seekers. And a big one: Fade = warp?

 

I know a ton of it is so general it would fit any sci fi fantasy setting but this particular generalization keeps haunting me. I'm not saying this is bad or one copied the other, I'm just sharing something that runs through my mind when I'm playing.

[Althix]

yes.

you are like 5 years late.

[Steffin]

yes.

you are like 5 years late.

 

Damnit  I'm always late. 

[Vortex13]

Your forgetting:

 

Spoiler

The Crossroads = The Webway.

 

Morrigan even says that it is a place in-between the real world and the Fade.

[metatheurgist]

Nope. Religions are always saying their way is the one true path and infidels must be punished, nothing new there. The inquisition was a real earth thing (speaking of punishing infidels), taken to extremes by 40K and reinterpreted by DA. There is no god emperor in DA. Mages are not welcome in society, psykers are. Grey Knights are a militant order, there are always heaps of militant orders that specialise in something. If fluffy pink elephants were a threat there would be a fluffy pink elephants order somewhere, Demons aren't exactly unique to 40K. Order and Chaos aren't new ideas either, they're even part of the D&D alignment system. I'll give you the warp and the fade, but that's just one element and who's to say it's not something that was already floating around in some literature that you or I haven't read.

[Althix]

 Mages are not welcome in society, psykers are

you really should renew your "knowledge" of wh40k universe.

 

and perhaps you will see parallels between wh40k setting and da setting.

[metatheurgist]

you really should renew your "knowledge" of wh40k universe.
 
and perhaps you will see parallels between wh40k setting and da setting.

I'm not saying there are no parallels, I'm saying they're not unique to 40K.

[Typhrus]

Grey Wardens are task with only fighting demons though, so the comparison with them and Grey Knights doesn't really work. If we were going for that comparison, then Templars would be more like the Grey Knights.. I would have preferred to turn the Inquisition into demon hunters though after the rift was closed.

[Althix]

Grey Wardens are task with only fighting demons ...

facepalm.

 

well first of all Grey Wardens fight the Blight and Darkspawn, not demons.

Grey Knights fight Daemons and Chaos, simply because of specific of their creation and selection. GKs are psykers. Not created psykers, but born psykers.

Adeptus Astra Telepathica collect, train and dispose psykers.

 

So to put it short. GK =/= Templars. And Wardens do not fight demons, I guess i should assume that in your head we have a mess, and because of that your post has no sense at all. Try to learn on the subject at least, do yourself a favor.

 

@ metatheurgist.

 

Look wider, i am pretty sure topic starter draws parallers on some wider aspects of the setting.

Like warp = fade. As you may know souls of the psykers shine bright in the warp. And this is why psykers always in danger. Only mages may remain aware of their surroundings in the fade. As result mages always in danger. And both psyker and mage can be a vessel for the spirit. Which may lead to dire consequences.

 

Mages are feared in Thedas, psykers are feared in the Imperium of man.

 

Like crossroads, origins of spirits and daemons, origins of magic, origin of the fade (by the Chantry) etc. etc. etc. There are just too many parallels, especially in DAO.

 

I am not saying it is bad, honestly this is one of the reason why i liked DA setting. But i am not blind for obvious similarities, despite of what bw crew is saying (some nonsense about Tolkien).

[ORTesc]

Damnit  I'm always late. 

 

Some come too early.

[Paul E Dangerously]

This just makes me sad nobody's ever picked up the Warhammer Fantasy license with the intent to do RPGs. No, MMOs don't really count.

[metatheurgist]

This just makes me sad nobody's ever picked up the Warhammer Fantasy license with the intent to do RPGs. No, MMOs don't really count.

There are table top RPGs....

If you mean cRPGs, I suspect the problem lies with Games Workshop. They're sort of hard-assess when it comes to their IP.

[Natureguy85]

Nope. Religions are always saying their way is the one true path and infidels must be punished, nothing new there. The inquisition was a real earth thing (speaking of punishing infidels), taken to extremes by 40K and reinterpreted by DA. There is no god emperor in DA. Mages are not welcome in society, psykers are. Grey Knights are a militant order, there are always heaps of militant orders that specialise in something. If fluffy pink elephants were a threat there would be a fluffy pink elephants order somewhere, Demons aren't exactly unique to 40K. Order and Chaos aren't new ideas either, they're even part of the D&D alignment system. I'll give you the warp and the fade, but that's just one element and who's to say it's not something that was already floating around in some literature that you or I haven't read.

 

The Fade and Warp aren't really all that similar either. The Warp interferes with reality far more than the Fade does. The Fade doesn't have anything comparable to the Chaos Gods. There is no comparison to reliance on dangerous warp energies for things like travel.

 

The mage/psyker comparison by Althix is good though.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

There was a Warhammer RPG, although I think the company that made it is gone, and the licence is in limbo.

[Paul E Dangerously]

There are table top RPGs....

If you mean cRPGs, I suspect the problem lies with Games Workshop. They're sort of hard-assess when it comes to their IP.

 

Haha, I know that. I've got WHFRP.

 

Well, we are going to get WF games from the Creative Assembly - which should technically be a good idea, since they're the Total War developers.

[Medhia_Nox]

The Warhammer 40K Inquisition would make an amazing cRPG in my opinion... base it on the Tabletop "Dark Heresy" and I'd probably be throwing money at it.

 

And yes, I believe there are many MANY similarities between Dragon Age and Warhammer... in fact, those similarities were the first things that drew me to the IP.

[JaegerBane]

I'm not saying there are no parallels, I'm saying they're not unique to 40K.

And he's not saying that you are, he simply saying you need to brush up on your 40k knowledge. Because arguing psykers are an accepted part of imperial society is a bit like arguing that Human Rights are an accepted part of North Korean society. There isn't really any way of interpreting that as anything other than plain wrong.

DA has many influences but the idea of an otherworldly place of energy and emotions, populated by demons and powering a small, persecuted subset of society to manifest supernatural abilities is a common idea between the two franchises. The fade may not have a particular demon named Khorne in the same way that there are no boltguns in DA but that doesn't somehow mean that the similarities disappear.

'Course, it's not just the fade/warp. An ancient species of magic/psychic specialists who once held dominion over the whole of thedas/the Galaxy but have now fallen, who now live in scattered tribes/craftworlds could be both Dalish and Eldar. A technologically advanced, single-minded species who seek to assimilate all into their caste-driven way of life goes for both Qunari and Tau. An ancient Imperium that once lived in a golden age but is now a shadow of what it once was, but nonetheless possesses so much military might that it survives to this day goes for both the tevinter and the imperium of man. The similarities are *everywhere*, which is part of the reason why i enjoy DA so much.

[Natureguy85]

'Course, it's not just the fade/warp. An ancient species of magic/psychic specialists who once held dominion over the whole of thedas/the Galaxy but have now fallen, who now live in scattered tribes/craftworlds could be both Dalish and Eldar. A technologically advanced, single-minded species who seek to assimilate all into their caste-driven way of life goes for both Qunari and Tau. An ancient Imperium that once lived in a golden age but is now a shadow of what it once was, but nonetheless possesses so much military might that it survives to this day goes for both the tevinter and the imperium of man. The similarities are *everywhere*, which is part of the reason why i enjoy DA so much.

 

Your eldar comparison goes for Elves in almost anything, including Tolkien. The same can be said of the Tevinter comparison and Men. They are similar because they both draw from the same places.

[Gnoster]

Well, we are going to get WF games from the Creative Assembly - which should technically be a good idea, since they're the Total War developers.

Man, don't remind me :-). So looking forward to that, so much so that I recently started playing Warhammer Mark of Chaos again. Hopefully Creative Assembly will introduce good Hero character management instead of just readjusting their Rome 2 map. Fully system to create player made campaigns as mods are also vital in my opinion.

My biggest wish though is a Warhammer 40k battle strategy game, turnbased with campaign like a combination of features like those from XCOM enemy within and Space Hulk Ascension. Unfortunately instead we got Slitherin's amazingly bad looking version of it.

[JaegerBane]

Your eldar comparison goes for Elves in almost anything, including Tolkien.

I think you haven't understood the comparison. Elves are a common fantasy trope but in almost anything, including Tolkien, they're not normally shunned and looked down upon by everyone else.

[Vox Draco]

This just makes me sad nobody's ever picked up the Warhammer Fantasy license with the intent to do RPGs. No, MMOs don't really count.

 

But don't you love Warcraft then? ^^ It took all those ideas of Warhammer way before Dragon Age, and even improved on it! Pandas!!!!! PANDAS!!!!

 

Now...are tehre any new Gortrek-Books..gotta check it I guess...but how many creatures are left for him to find his doom? And what Forum am I here!? ARRGHH, my head!!!!

[Natureguy85]

I think you haven't understood the comparison. Elves are a common fantasy trope but in almost anything, including Tolkien, they're not normally shunned and looked down upon by everyone else.

 

Funny how that wasn't in the quote from you. You can't change what you said and then claim I missed something.

[JaegerBane]

Funny how that wasn't in the quote from you. You can't change what you said and then claim I missed something.

Perhaps I should have explained more as to what I meant by 'fallen', but ultimately it isn't my responsibility to check that you understood what I was saying. I haven't 'changed' what I've said at all.

[Giantdeathrobot]

This just makes me sad nobody's ever picked up the Warhammer Fantasy license with the intent to do RPGs. No, MMOs don't really count.

 

Would be cool to play as an Inquisitor (no, not ours), leaves you with the freedom to do most things you want.

[Neon Rising Winter]

'Course, it's not just the fade/warp. An ancient species of magic/psychic specialists who once held dominion over the whole of thedas/the Galaxy but have now fallen, who now live in scattered tribes/craftworlds could be both Dalish and Eldar. A technologically advanced, single-minded species who seek to assimilate all into their caste-driven way of life goes for both Qunari and Tau. An ancient Imperium that once lived in a golden age but is now a shadow of what it once was, but nonetheless possesses so much military might that it survives to this day goes for both the tevinter and the imperium of man. The similarities are *everywhere*, which is part of the reason why i enjoy DA so much.

 

Although you could also go:

 

Advanced technological race laid low by the dangers of a galactic gate based travel system itself a legacy of a much older race - CJ Cherryh, Morgaine books

 

Millenia spanning empire of man with massive diaspora founded and planned by a prescient god emperor. Throw in mental power based space travel and strongly religious society for bonus points. - Frank Herbert, Dune series.

 

And the Tau were just what happens when you give people a deadline, too much coffee and a half dozen anime boxsets. Insert grumbling about downfall of a once proud franchise, what did they think they were doing, kids today etc. etc. Okay, the Tau were not a thing when I last played WH40K. Thankfully.

 

The problem with trying to argue something is inspired by 40K is 40K is a glorious mish mash of bits of dozens of other fictional universes, plus real culture, history and religion. How do you tell if something is inspired by it or inspired by things that inspired it?