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[Typhrus]

facepalm.

 

well first of all Grey Wardens fight the Blight and Darkspawn, not demons.

Grey Knights fight Daemons and Chaos, simply because of specific of their creation and selection. GKs are psykers. Not created psykers, but born psykers.

Adeptus Astra Telepathica collect, train and dispose psykers.

 

So to put it short. GK =/= Templars. And Wardens do not fight demons, I guess i should assume that in your head we have a mess, and because of that your post has no sense at all. Try to learn on the subject at least, do yourself a favor.

 

*snip*

 

*sigh*

The joys of one spelling mistake changing the meaning of a sentence. I can blame my keyboard for that as I very much meant AREN'T tasked with fighting purely demons, but I can be blamed for not checking my post for mistakes after I had typed it.

 

While I'm happy to admit a spelling and grammatical mistake on my part, there really was no need for the hostile response, particularly the part about my brain being a mess. The assumption that I don't know anything either was uncalled for, as I DO know about the backstory and fluff around the 40k universe. But hey, its BSN and the internet. I actually played Warhammer 40k for a few years (near the end of 3rd ed to probably early-mid 5th ed) but haven't played much since. I'm more interested in the backstory and fluff rather than the gameplay (lack of time, friends who still play and a laziness over painting) and even then, I tend to prefer the Horus Heresy stuff.

All the information that you so 'kindly' reminded me of is still the same as when I played, particularly with the Grey Knights being all psykers. The intent behind my comparison with the Templars was that they were MORE likely to be compared to the Grey Knights than the Grey Wardens because of their mage fighting abilities could be used against demons. That being said, more likely to be compared to, does not make the comparison a good one, but it fits slightly better than the Grey Wardens and Grey Knights being similar.

 

My last sentence was meant to be more of an extension on the ideas of Thedas having dedicated demon hunters after the Breach was closed. While I find Templars more comparable, they aren't dedicated to fighting demons. It just so happens that tracking and fighting mages provides some useful skills against demons. I will agree however, my last sentence of my response doesn't make much sense as I did not expand upon the idea I was trying to convey.

So with my first post a bit more explained, you can take your hostile attitude and stop making assumptions that someone is unknowledgeable in an area or fictional universe because of a spelling mistake or an idea not fully expanded. 
 

[JaegerBane]

Although you could also go:
 
Advanced technological race laid low by the dangers of a galactic gate based travel system itself a legacy of a much older race - CJ Cherryh, Morgaine books
 
Millenia spanning empire of man with massive diaspora founded and planned by a prescient god emperor. Throw in mental power based space travel and strongly religious society for bonus points. - Frank Herbert, Dune series.
 
And the Tau were just what happens when you give people a deadline, too much coffee and a half dozen anime boxsets. Insert grumbling about downfall of a once proud franchise, what did they think they were doing, kids today etc. etc. Okay, the Tau were not a thing when I last played WH40K. Thankfully.
 
The problem with trying to argue something is inspired by 40K is 40K is a glorious mish mash of bits of dozens of other fictional universes, plus real culture, history and religion. How do you tell if something is inspired by it or inspired by things that inspired it?

I guess the issue here is that the comparisons you've made only work in isolation. You make a good point about the eldar/morgraine similarity, but that only works for that specific comparison - the DA elves don't really figure in that. The 40k imperium/frank Herbert empire is in the same boat, the tevinter don't really have much in common with the dune empire. The Tau are a part of 40k whether you like them or not, so the fact you dislike them has nothing to do with the similarities to the Qunari.

The overall point is really that the sheer number of similarities between the two franchises means that it's fair to say that DA takes a lot from 40k, as while it takes from other franchises as well, it doesn't focus on any other one source to the same degree.

Of course, whether it's correct to say that it takes from 40k and not whatever inspired 40k is another question entirely, and one that can't be definitively answered

[Neon Rising Winter]

I guess the issue here is that the comparisons you've made only work in isolation. You make a good point about the eldar/morgraine similarity, but that only works for that specific comparison - the DA elves don't really figure in that. The 40k imperium/frank Herbert empire is in the same boat, the tevinter don't really have much in common with the dune empire. The Tau are a part of 40k whether you like them or not, so the fact you dislike them has nothing to do with the similarities to the Qunari.

The overall point is really that the sheer number of similarities between the two franchises means that it's fair to say that DA takes a lot from 40k, as while it takes from other franchises as well, it doesn't focus on any other one source to the same degree.

Of course, whether it's correct to say that it takes from 40k and not whatever inspired 40k is another question entirely, and one that can't be definitively answered

 

That's the thing with 40K though, it has so many things 'in isolation' that it's very easy to run across similarities with other works, because if they have any influences at all it's very likely they share some. The big one though - look down, look all around - Planet Earth. Not the song, the planet. And not the planet really but it's cultures and history.

 

Take the Tau. Please, someone take them. Ignoring the anime paint job, what do we have, an inspired by East Asian cultures race. And we look at the Qun, and does it look a little bit Confician? I think it might. Of course the two look similar, they're both lifted from Codex China.

 

You take the old Empire of Man. We have something inspired by European societies. And we look at humans in Dragon Age and well, it's not exactly subtle. Although when it comes time to look beyond that I'm not seeing the comparison. Imperium/DA humans doesn't work, DA is a mass of different countries progressing forward socially and technologically. 40K is a decaying empire, millenia past its prime, inching towards ruin.

 

Steer away from the real world culture inspired and take elves and... okay, take away the gate based travel network thing I don't see it at all with the elves. One item of pre bought window dressing does not a comparison make. For Dragon Age they wandered back to the real world for their inspiration, 40K not so much.

 

Take dwarves and ... oh wait, no more stumpies. But they can give us bloody Tau? Seriously? No, never mind, I'm not bitter.

 

And on and on. I like the ork/darkspawn comparison myself. Mainly because I can imagine darkspawn down in the deep roads, racing their red chariots.

 

Anyway, whimsy aside. It's no good latching on to the specifics because it's simply a case of both settings having liberally borrowed from the same real cutures, so of course they look similar. The best I could say is you have two settings with lots of races and cultures, most of which bear a remarkable resemblence either to something in real life or something someone else wrote years before. They are all banging up against each other with varying degrees of animosity and as a backdrop there's some dodgy elder god wannabes lurking in the background doing whatever elder gods like to do. And one has fantasy hyperspace with nasty things and the other has fantasy cyberspace with nasty things.

 

Totally off topic question. This is rekindling my 40K love - does anyone know if they've put out any decent novels that cover the background of any non human races? Even Tau.

[Natureguy85]

Perhaps I should have explained more as to what I meant by 'fallen', but ultimately it isn't my responsibility to check that you understood what I was saying. I haven't 'changed' what I've said at all.

Yeah you probably should use the words that mean the things you intend to say. That's generally how communication works best. There was nothing in your first post, the one to which I replied, that had anything to do with social status.

 

 

Although you could also go:

 

Advanced technological race laid low by the dangers of a galactic gate based travel system itself a legacy of a much older race - CJ Cherryh, Morgaine books

 

Millenia spanning empire of man with massive diaspora founded and planned by a prescient god emperor. Throw in mental power based space travel and strongly religious society for bonus points. - Frank Herbert, Dune series.

 

And the Tau were just what happens when you give people a deadline, too much coffee and a half dozen anime boxsets. Insert grumbling about downfall of a once proud franchise, what did they think they were doing, kids today etc. etc. Okay, the Tau were not a thing when I last played WH40K. Thankfully.

 

The problem with trying to argue something is inspired by 40K is 40K is a glorious mish mash of bits of dozens of other fictional universes, plus real culture, history and religion. How do you tell if something is inspired by it or inspired by things that inspired it?

 

This is exactly what I was getting at.

[frankf43]

I think that DA is more inspired by the WoT universe than the WH universe but that's just me.