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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'm an old school deist anyway. Associated with agnostics and moderate sides of both theists and atheists.

[Jstatham1227]

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy." 

[SwobyJ]

My reaction to 'Merry Christmas' varies. I can appreciate the sentiment, especially when its clear that it isn't said out of obligation, and I even say it myself sometimes, but I'm also getting increasingly annoyed at the insistence of others that I follow the crowd on caring about it.

 

But I'm also not a Christian (well I'm baptized and confirmed Catholic but I'll be removing myself from their numbers), I don't care to involve myself in anything involving that, and I at least somewhat resent that Christmas is even a thing when we could instead just do something else, called something else, as just a winter holiday that we can do in order to lift the mood during a time of (even biologically) lessened wellness otherwise.

 

 

I'll also be lukewarm at best about the whole Santa stuff, if I have children. I may allow it if my SO insists, but if it was fully up to me, we'd just be enjoying a nice meal, seasonal activities, and family bonding.

 

I'm an agnostic atheist who sometimes waffles onto the theist/deist side but then I decide that whatever may be out/in/between there, probably still wouldn't fit my qualifications of a 'God'.

 

Anyway though, yeah, this guy looks like he has his own issues and if he was protesting so loudly and disruptively, then I'm glad he was kicked out.

 

I'm just not really on the whole side going "Eff yeah! For Christmas! Take that!"

 

Friggin weird to me. Doesn't help that with my often automatic 'future vision', I can't help but wonder if decades of 1-2 centuries from now, 'Merry Christmas' may not even be a thing. Times change, sometimes faster than we think. And if that change is one that will come, I personally hope it comes faster rather than slower. I don't want to be merry and I don't consider this Christmas. I have the same reaction to someone saying 'bless you/I will pray for you'. "Yeah okay, I'll be moving right along then."

 

I swear I'm friendly IRL

[mybudgee]

Keep in mind the distinction:

Atheist - someone who is CERTAIN God does not exist

Agnostic - someone who is certain of their own fallibility & by extension the fallibility of beliefs themselves

[Inquisitor Recon]

Keep in mind the distinction:

Atheist - someone who is CERTAIN God does not exist

Agnostic - someone who is certain of their own fallibility & by extension the fallibility of beliefs themselves

There does seem to be an active effort to blur the lines and use a "softer" definition by the "new-age" atheist types. Part of an attempt to shape the narrative to suit their own ends perhaps.

[mybudgee]

There does seem to be an active effort to blur the lines and use a "softer" definition by the "new-age" atheist types. Part of an attempt to shape the narrative to suit their own ends perhaps.

Attempt all you want. I will not budge

[Dermain]

Even Scrooge was cooler than that dude.

 

Yes, just say "Bah humbug" repeatedly!

 

It always works!

 

I don't care what your beliefs are, there is no excuse for being a douche when someone is just trying to be friendly. *shakes head*

 

Maybe the person was feeling sad or alone or something. IDK. Dude needs to get laid really good or up his depression meds.

 

For some reason I don't think either of those would really work...

 

*Sits around tries not to comment*

*Comments anyway*

Nope. His behavior implies that he thinks everyone should follow the same line of thoughts that he has. I highly doubt that this kind of behavior would be a result of trauma.

 

What a great analysis! Truly! There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's just...no.

 

We can not say that he believes that everyone should believe what he does. For example, he could have *insert situation that incites anger here - possibly related to the Holidays* which would have resulted in him being angry. For whatever reason, the phrase "Merry Christmas" seemed to be the tipping point causing him to go into a tirade.  

 

It is also possible that he practices a different religion, and became incensed about the phrase "merry Christmas" because he felt it was bashing his beliefs. There is a reason (granted it's mostly PC) for saying the phase "Happy Holidays" instead of saying "Merry Christmas". It is also possible that he was angry beforehand, and that this contributed to his outburst.

 

It is also possible that one of his loved ones was murdered/died during this time of the year. This would have induced trauma, and may have been a contributing factor to his outburst.

 

 

That made me chuckle.

 

There does seem to be an active effort to blur the lines and use a "softer" definition by the "new-age" atheist types. Part of an attempt to shape the narrative to suit their own ends perhaps.

 

That's what most groups tend to do when there's a discrepancy between their beliefs.

[mybudgee]

Relevant:

 

http://www.youngcons...yson-christmas/

[SwobyJ]

Agnostic - We don't/can't know

Gnostic - We do/can know

Atheist - There are no gods (as according to theology; 'adeist' could be a word we use, but we normally do not use it)

Theist - There is God/are gods

 

Agnostic Atheist - I don't know if there's a god, but I don't think that it exists

Gnostic Atheist (like 'adeist', 'gnostic' in this way is rarely used) - I know that there is no god

Agnostic Theist - I don't know if there's a god, but I think it exists

Gnostic Theist - I know there is a god

 

Gnostic - Also often implies some special or important knowledge that pertains to something.

 

Usually, calling yourself agnostic is a particular statement of you wanting to make clear that something cannot be known, just as calling yourself gnostic is a particular statement of you wanting to make clear that you know something that can be known. But these words are not actually as declarative as 'theist' and 'atheist'.

[SwobyJ]

Personally, I think people should stick to saying Merry Christmas to Christians and Christmas-celebrating people that they KNOW are part of this. I do not support it as a catch-all phrase. But many would disagree. Loudly. Especially those who consider it, for some reason, integral to blahblahyou'veseenitonFOXalready.

 

But whatever. I think the same about any holiday - religious or otherwise. I'm not even going to wish someone happy Father's Day unless I know they give a damn about the day.

[Dermain]

Personally, I think people should stick to saying Merry Christmas to Christians and Christmas-celebrating people that they KNOW are part of this. I do not support it as a catch-all phrase. But many would disagree. Loudly. Especially those who consider it, for some reason, integral to blahblahyou'veseenitonFOXalready.

 

But whatever. I think the same about any holiday - religious or otherwise. I'm not even going to wish someone happy Father's Day unless I know they give a damn about the day.

 

Which is the problem really. 

 

We can never be sure of what a person believes in if they do not tell us. 

 

If anything, "Happy holidays" should be used as a catch-all phrase, but I know that gets some resistance from people that believe that we shouldn't be "politically correct". 

[Sigma Tauri]

Gnostic - We do/can know

 

Gnostic means one who practices the ancient mystery religions that believe in emanationism and that Yahweh of the Old Testament was an evil god that created the material world.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I still find it disturbing that no one includes these in his categorizing of people:

 

Deists

Pan-Theists

Duelists

Polytheists aka Pagans

 

Theists actually believe in the God of Moses, Jesus or Mohammad or some related minor religions. The others who believe in other kind of God aren't Theists.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Yeah, so now the flight attendants need to have a Crystall ball so that they can see who to wish a Merry Christmas...

 

Seriously, even if he didn't celebrate, there was no harm in wishing him a Merry X-Mas...

[Eternal Phoenix]

I still find it disturbing that no one includes these in his categorizing of people:

 

Deists

Pan-Theists

Duelists

Polytheists aka Pagans

 

Theists actually believe in the God of Moses, Jesus or Mohammad or some related minor religions. The others who believe in other kind of God aren't Theists.

 

Actually they are.

 

Theist just means belief in a god. Polytheism would be belief in more than one.

 

 

Relevant:

 

http://www.youngcons...yson-christmas/

 

So Neil "smoke"deGrasse Tyson had finally descended into pure hatred. Sad. He sounds like an insecure child ranting and reminds me of the Dawkins tweets (which are similarly outbursts that sound childish).

[Nattfare]

I believe in chocolate. It has never let me down so far.

[The Valiant Misanthropist]

I read about this. Was it really that fedora wearing dumbfuck?(btw, fedoras are really goddamn stupid) 

Either way, what a ****** child! *facepalms*

Boofuckinghoo, someone wished you a merry Christmas and was trying to be nice!

I'm not Christian, and don't celebrate it, yet I still wish people a good Christmas and don't flip when people wish Me one. All you have to say is "Thank you, you as well." or "I don't celebrate it, but never the less thank you, and I hope you have a nice one."

****, Fundamentalist Atheists are just annoying as Christian ones. Who cares what other people believe you ignorant asshat and learn how to act like a ****** adult.. D:< 

[Kierro Ren]

Actually, Christmas in itself isn't a Christian holiday, rather it originally was the Winter Solstice, a pagan holiday. The exact year I'm unsure, I believe it was 1080 or something, point being. The Pope of that time, wanted more converts. The curch was getting a few but not enough, as many still worshipped the pagan gods. So, the pope came up with Christmas, to gain converts. The decoration of a house, or pine tree, and giving decorative boxes, was a Roman tradition. Also, if I read correctly, the Romans would treat their prisoners/slaves nicer for 1 week. Giving extra bread, and have them gorge themselves on many sweets, wines and food. Kinda like the cook off in Jim Carry's The Grinch.

 

So originally, it was a religious holiday, of sorts, but not Christian origin. However, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy the concept of Christmas/Winter Solstice. When you hear cartoons, or movies say-- "Aren't the gifts, what Christmas is about?" eeh Kinda, it's more being compassionate to others, gifts are just the cherry on the Banana Slip Sundae.

 

I'm atheist, but that is DEFINITELY, not keeping me from saying "Happy Holidays." I'm just atheist, because I just can't believe a loving God, I want to but can't, who loves us all. Would allow all these murders, corrupt politics, räpes, thieving, or jackasses like Lizard Dicks, to go on. There's other reason but I won't say here. Zevran's right about one thing, shtick happens, it's never going to change. Hasn't for the last 3,000 years. But I respect everyone, and their religious beliefs, just don't try to convert me, because you'll fail. Not to mention, I don't want to be apart of a group who'd lynch me. Just because of my choice partner, that I bring to bed.

 

BUUT... MERRY LATE CHRISTMAS and a late HANUKKAH all the other beliefs, have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

[Sigma Tauri]

Christmas is a national holiday and has been part of American (and European) tradition for hundreds of years.

 

I don't think that's fully true. If I recall, Christmas was only an American tradition relatively recently. Colonial America was indifferent to it.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I don't think that's fully true. If I recall, Christmas was only an American tradition relatively recently. Colonial America was indifferent to it.

 

Just because you want to ignore history, doesn't mean historians ignore you!

 

 

BTW, It's been there long before Nazis!

[Kierro Ren]

I don't think that's fully true. If I recall, Christmas was only an American tradition relatively recently. Colonial America was indifferent to it.

 

Christmas was created I believe in Rome, Italy. Over 1,000 years ago.

[Sigma Tauri]

Christmas was created in Rome, over 2,000 years ago.

 

So? The Puritans didn't celebrate Xmas because it was strongly associated with Catholic tradition. The point is that even as a Euro-American tradition, there wasn't much a cultural solidarity to it until recently. Some churches and colonial authorities banned it outright.