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[Fardreamer]

In my opinion, marriage has no place in a Dragon Age game in the majority of the romance situations. There are a few exceptions. Marrying Alistair in Origins as a human female noble made a lot of sense, except the for the fact that producing an heir would almost be impossible. Marrying Sebastian in DA2 would make sense as well seeing as you could become the Viscount(ess) of Kirkwall, and he goes back to be the Prince of Starkhaven.

As for DA:I there's only a few candidates with whom marriage would make sense for. Josephine would make an ideal match for a human noble. And Dorian and Cullen would POSSIBLY be the only other ones where a culmination of marriage would make sense.

Marriage doesn't happen with Qunari, elves have different traditions, and who knows about dwarves. Besides, marriage is kind of a human tradition, and something your placing importance on. You don't need to marry someone if you love them. It's kind of a dated tradition.

[berrieh]

Well I am happy with them, but really feel like something more should have been added, probably because so much more was promised. Still kind of bitter about the hate-filled love that never reached us. 

 

When did they say this? Must've been a time where I was off the hype train. I never heard that. Curious to read about it if you have links.

 

In my opinion, marriage has no place in a Dragon Age game in the majority of the romance situations. There are a few exceptions. Marrying Alistair in Origins as a human female noble made a lot of sense, except the for the fact that producing an heir would almost be impossible. Marrying Sebastian in DA2 would make sense as well seeing as you could become the Viscount(ess) of Kirkwall, and he goes back to be the Prince of Starkhaven.

As for DA:I there's only a few candidates with whom marriage would make sense for. Josephine would make an ideal match for a human noble. And Dorian and Cullen would POSSIBLY be the only other ones where a culmination of marriage would make sense.

Marriage doesn't happen with Qunari, elves have different traditions, and who knows about dwarves. Besides, marriage is kind of a human tradition, and something your placing importance on. You don't need to marry someone if you love them. It's kind of a dated tradition.

 

You can propose to Sera. It's cute. And it fits - she wants companionship, family, to be a part of something. Lots of commoners marry, and City Elves marry (so do Dalish and dwarves basically, but among their kind clearly). It's not a human tradition. The Inquisitor's Tal-Vashoth parents are basically married (or seem to be) if you are a Qunari (Vashoth). I think some of the characters would be fine to marry (Blackwall, Cullen, Sera, maybe Josie, if the right background), and some wouldn't (Iron Bull, Solas, Dorian). I'm unsure about Cass. 

[Gaz83]

The only time my Wife seems to notice me playing this game is when;

 

A: I'm making a new character. "Are you still picking beards? It's been three days".

 

B: I'm about to partake in a love scene. "Oh, I see you've finally settled on facial ha.... oh my god, what are you doing?!"

[Fardreamer]

When did they say this? Must've been a time where I was off the hype train. I never heard that. Curious to read about it if you have links.
 

 
You can propose to Sera. It's cute. And it fits - she wants companionship, family, to be a part of something. Lots of commoners marry, and City Elves marry (so do Dalish and dwarves basically, but among their kind clearly). It's not a human tradition. The Inquisitor's Tal-Vashoth parents are basically married (or seem to be) if you are a Qunari (Vashoth). I think some of the characters would be fine to marry (Blackwall, Cullen, Sera, maybe Josie, if the right background), and some wouldn't (Iron Bull, Solas, Dorian). I'm unsure about Cass.

I didn't know about Sera's proposal as I can't really stand her. But it surprises me as it seems out of character for her. Why would she as someone who basically opposes any and every institution of elves and the chantry want to get married by them? It's stupid.

[aliastasia]

I really liked the Cullen romance, I finished it this evening.

I've done the Blackwall one before that, and I prefer the Cullen one because it has more content, and there are parts of Blackwall's writing which I personally don't like.
Only thing I'd have liked to see added in the Cullenmance, was i.e a bigger promise of a future together in the name of Superfluffy Romance, but I liked the current ending just fine.
I also loved the attention to detail in the writing, and that both the VA and script made it nice and believable.
I'd not be adverse to some Valentine's DLC, though, to pad out the pace in the game

Contemplating a male build to explore Dorian/Cass next

 

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[teh DRUMPf!!]

Up to now I have done just one, Cassandra's romance, and the Inquisitor kind of ruined it for me.

[berrieh]

I didn't know about Sera's proposal as I can't really stand her. But it surprises me as it seems out of character for her. Why would she as someone who basically opposes any and every institution of elves and the chantry want to get married by them? It's stupid.

 

Sera desperately wants a sense of belonging, so she's into it - marriage isn't just about institutions, it's also about loving someone forever. That's basically Sera's dream. (Also: This hostility towards marriage as an institution forced upon people doesn't seem to exist in Thedas. That kind of scorn seems like it comes from a world with diamond commercials and stuff. Or maybe among the nobility who are forced into marriages. But I see no particular reason for Sera to be anti-marriage or despise it. She loves when you formally declare your relationship with her and stuff.) 

 

 

Up to now I have done just one, Cassandra's romance, and the Inquisitor kind of ruined it for me.

 

 

Please explain. Aren't you the Inquisitor? I am confused. 

[LadyJaneGrey]

The only time my Wife seems to notice me playing this game is when;
 
A: I'm making a new character. "Are you still picking beards? It's been three days".
 
B: I'm about to partake in a love scene. "Oh, I see you've finally settled on facial ha.... oh my god, what are you doing?!"

My husband walked in the room an hour after I started playing only to find I was still trying to choose the least offensive hairstyle. Bioware hair. It's a problem.

As to the Mrs Rutherford comment: I got that one but I think it was before the last big patch.

[SamanthaJ]

Even though it felt like getting a machete shoved through my chest and twisted thirty-three times the Solas romance was the best video game romance I have ever pursued. I wish it had as much content as the other romances, though. A kiss anytime would have been nice. Wolf Hunt DLC please. I do think the romances are an improvement over the previous games, and the facial expressions and body language in Solas's romance scenes are perfect.

[KaiserShep]

When did they say this? Must've been a time where I was off the hype train. I never heard that. Curious to read about it if you have links.
 

 
You can propose to Sera. It's cute. And it fits - she wants companionship, family, to be a part of something. Lots of commoners marry, and City Elves marry (so do Dalish and dwarves basically, but among their kind clearly). It's not a human tradition. The Inquisitor's Tal-Vashoth parents are basically married (or seem to be) if you are a Qunari (Vashoth). I think some of the characters would be fine to marry (Blackwall, Cullen, Sera, maybe Josie, if the right background), and some wouldn't (Iron Bull, Solas, Dorian). I'm unsure about Cass.

Interesting. Is that exclusive to the qunari inquisitor?

[berrieh]

Interesting. Is that exclusive to the qunari inquisitor?

 

I was one, but I don't think so. Didn't have the little symbol. She calls you a looney, but she smiles, nods, and seems to mention it again later in a banter in the Emerald Graves. 

 

Edit: While I think the Sera thing is cute, I don't think marriage makes sense per se in the game itself due to the time frame as people have said. I only objected to the idea that various characters would marry period. 

[zestalyn]

I was very happy with the Cullen romance, but I sure wouldn't mind the OP's suggestions, simply because more is always fun   Granted that it doesn't take away from the more essential parts of the game, of course. 

 

Marriage

 

I for one would gladly pay for an expansion pack that adds marriage to the game. Hell, I run around as it is calling Cullen my husband. In my opinion it would be nice if Bioware finally add this option into the game.

I think it was somewhere in the Cullen thread that someone posted screens of folders in the game files named with keywords like 'Marriage ceremony in Val Royeaux'. Obviously that must have been cut content, but I wonder if that was intended for the love interests? While marriage is far far farrrr from a necessity in this game, I can't deny how grossly fun and sweet it would've been to have that sort of content 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

All of them are too PG for mt, I mean it is a rated mature game. Boring, not realistic at all, they never approach you, you have to go beg them for a kiss and, that's all you get save ONCE in your life? Really, I can only have sex once, and then it's short and debatable if we did it or not.

[KaiserShep]

I was one, but I don't think so. Didn't have the little symbol. She calls you a looney, but she smiles, nods, and seems to mention it again later in a banter in the Emerald Graves.

Cool. Missed this bit in my first play through. I wonder how high approval must be.

[Master Race]

They aren't terrible but i didin't enjoy them as much as other Bioware games. My problems with the straight male romance have nothing to do with looks (like so many) but instead both romances play out sweet, romantic and sappy/cheesy. Cassandras has a little more weight behind but still they are both just too sweet.

[jellobell]

I think it was somewhere in the Cullen thread that someone posted screens of folders in the game files named with keywords like 'Marriage ceremony in Val Royeaux'. Obviously that must have been cut content, but I wonder if that was intended for the love interests? While marriage is far far farrrr from a necessity in this game, I can't deny how grossly fun and sweet it would've been to have that sort of content 

That marriage has nothing to do with the Inquisitor's LI. You just run into a marriage taking place and have the option of saying a few words.

 

Personally, I don't think marriage really has a place in a game that takes place over the course of 6-8 months or so. And what if your Inquisitor just doesn't like the idea of getting married? Should they gate content based on that? Really, marriage should either be saved for post-game headcanon or made a central part of the plot of the romance. It causes too many problems otherwise.

[Draining Dragon]

I'm replaying Hordes of the Underdark at the moment, and honestly, I wish the Inquisition romances were this good. My first character romanced Nathyrra, the dark elf assassin, and it was really well written. They managed to make it sweet and romantic without any awkwardly animated kisses or sex scenes. The entire thing is delivered through dialogue and voice acting.

*sighs* I miss old Bioware.

[MelissaGT]

My husband walked in the room an hour after I started playing only to find I was still trying to choose the least offensive hairstyle. Bioware hair. It's a problem.

As to the Mrs Rutherford comment: I got that one but I think it was before the last big patch.

 

When did Varric say it?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Sera desperately wants a sense of belonging, so she's into it - marriage isn't just about institutions, it's also about loving someone forever. That's basically Sera's dream. (Also: This hostility towards marriage as an institution forced upon people doesn't seem to exist in Thedas. That kind of scorn seems like it comes from a world with diamond commercials and stuff. Or maybe among the nobility who are forced into marriages. But I see no particular reason for Sera to be anti-marriage or despise it. She loves when you formally declare your relationship with her and stuff.)



Please explain. Aren't you the Inquisitor? I am confused.

Clearly not, as I would never read her a poem as corny as the one he chose, even without knowing too much about poetry.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I definitely support the option to marry LIs in Bioware games.

[sylvanaerie]

So far I've done Cullen, Blackwall and Dorian.  I've been content with all the scenes offered for each.  Fade to black was good enough for me, I don't require cheesy Enya music and jerky animated porn with goofy faces (those scenes in DAO were cringeworthy).  I don't even require a sex scene at all to just head canon they woohoo'ed.  I read somewhere on the boards that the 'no sex' for Solas' romance is head canon only.  They deliberately left it open to player interpretation, so if  you want to say your Inquisitor and the Dread Wolf got it on, you could.  Most of what I envision in these romances is head canon anyway.  If you want to imagine you and your LI making like bunnies in every nook of the keep, then I say go for it.  I don't need to see that to imagine it happening.

 

More would always be good, but I would have been happy with maybe 3-4 different smooch scenes.  So far my favorite is the initial kiss you get from Cullen on the battlements.  That glare...so sexy!  And the final convo with Cullen just before the last battle...so sweet, so romantic...very much a knight in shining armor romance.

 

Okay, while I enjoyed the others, I have to admit Cullen is my favorite.  Blackwall is too angsty for my taste, though it has it's sweet moments and the disappearance after their night together left me cold.  Dorian's was fun and my ginger fair skinned boy looked so cute in contrast to Dorian's darker good looks, but I'm not a gay man, so I felt rather disconnected from that romance because of it.  That shot of Dorian's butt more than made up for it, and him referring to my boy as "Amatus" was adorable.  Have just as much fun flirting with him on a female inquisitor, knowing it's just courtly manners.  Kind of makes up for no Teagan.

 

The pacing of all three romances felt good.  I like a slow burn romance.  If I rushed to get everything all at once, I'd be disappointed because that would leave a hell of a lot of the game left with nothing to look forward to.

 

I'd like to try Cass, and while Solas fascinates me, I'm unsure I can deal with the angst that romance will stir into the mix.

 

Don't need or want marriage in the game if it's not logical.  The Alistair marriage to the HNF makes sense.  The others, not so much.  I wouldn't scream if they offered it as optional for those who want it, but I wouldn't hold my breath.  Since romance is an optional feature anyway, making something that only a portion of the players will/may use wouldn't be very cost effective. There's nothing that says an Inquisitor who remains with their LI at the end couldn't get married in your head canon.  Since they will be making a new protagonist the focus of their next game--and it's going north from what I understand, it's not like you will be having to play the Inquisitor in the next installment.  You can make up any ending for him/her post credits.  They can live happily ever after, scandalize the Chantry by pursuing their relationship with Divine Victoria (Cassandra), return with Dorian to Tevinter and scandalize everyone by living gay and happy openly, go meet Cullen's brother and sister in South Reach and make wedding plans.  The possibilities are endless, and kind of what fanfic is for.

[DarthEmpress]

I've only done Solas' romance so I know his content is a LOT less than the others, but his quality seems so high, despite the ending.  I really, really wish there would've been more content in between the second romance scene and the one after the Temple of Mythal.  Also, there's no option to give him a gift or even ask him about his paintings... :/  Wasted opportunity, imo.

[Tentacles]

All of them are too PG for mt, I mean it is a rated mature game. Boring, not realistic at all, they never approach you, you have to go beg them for a kiss and, that's all you get save ONCE in your life? Really, I can only have sex once, and then it's short and debatable if we did it or not.

Its all Ander's fault, people got uncomfortable when he made he expressed his love to Hawke just for picking diplomatic dialogue options.

 

I'm pretty sure the rest is Ander's fault too.

[jellobell]

So far I've done Cullen, Blackwall and Dorian.  I've been content with all the scenes offered for each.  Fade to black was good enough for me, I don't require cheesy Enya music and jerky animated porn with goofy faces (those scenes in DAO were cringeworthy).  I don't even require a sex scene at all to just head canon they woohoo'ed.  I read somewhere on the boards that the 'no sex' for Solas' romance is head canon only.  They deliberately left it open to player interpretation, so if  you want to say your Inquisitor and the Dread Wolf got it on, you could.  Most of what I envision in these romances is head canon anyway.  If you want to imagine you and your LI making like bunnies in every nook of the keep, then I say go for it.  I don't need to see that to imagine it happening.

Yep. Patrick Weekes tweeted that the lack of a sex scene was to allow people to decide what happened themselves. And there are enough suggestive comments (some from Solas himself) to give ample room for headcanoning that they did do the deed over the course of the relationship.

 

And I am very okay with this. Because really, for this relationship, them actually having sex isn't what's important. It's the emotional connection. That emotional intensity is what the romance is all about, and would be there whether or not they had sex. So not wasting one of their scenes proving that they have in fact had sex was a good move on Bioware's part.

 

I'm also glad they didn't include a sex scene because the whole 'having sex under false pretenses and then immediately leaving' part of Blackwall's romance kinda creeps me out (I watched it on youtube, so maybe it's different if you actually do it over the course of a game, but I dunno). There are very important things that Solas can't tell you, and he is painfully aware of this during his romance. Every time he touches the Inquisitor, he hesitates, until she makes the first move. He is very aware of the ethical problems being in a relationship with the Inquisitor presents, and which is why he ultimately ends things. I'm not saying that them having sex would make the breakup worse (I waffle a bit, but I do imagine that Solas and my Inquisitor slept together), but the lack of a specific sex scene made me feel way better about this romance than I think I would have otherwise.

 

The pacing of all three romances felt good.  I like a slow burn romance.  If I rushed to get everything all at once, I'd be disappointed because that would leave a hell of a lot of the game left with nothing to look forward to.

Same here.

 

I found that you kind of have to pace the romance yourself. And the stuff that came before the first kiss scene felt just as important as the stuff that came after. For me, the Solas romance started when he grabbed my Inquisitor's hand and shoved it into that first rift. It felt like a really natural progression from her starting to talk with him and becoming friends in Haven, then doing In Hushed Whispers and seeing him die to save her, then nearly dying herself and Solas leading her to a new sanctuary. And then came the first kiss scene, only after she'd developed a very deep relationship with Solas (and a terrible crush on him). And based on his reactions during that scene, it seemed like feelings had been developing on both sides. It was very sweet.

 

I'd like to try Cass, and while Solas fascinates me, I'm unsure I can deal with the angst that romance will stir into the mix.

Honestly? Most of the romance is adorable. Compared to Blackwall's, for example, which packs in a lot of angst and self-loathing on Blackwall's part. It does feel a whole lot weightier than Josie or Cullen's, but more because of the emotional intensity as well as the knowledge of who Solas is. The breakup hurts, not gonna lie, but I do think it makes sense. It was probably the most ethical thing he could do under the circumstances. Though, of course, I know this but my poor character doesn't. If it gets a Witch Hunt-style DLC to add some resolution then I think it'll be my favourite Bioware romance ever after Garrus. If nothing else, it gives the ending way more impact than it would've had otherwise. 

 

I've only done Solas' romance so I know his content is a LOT less than the others, but his quality seems so high, despite the ending.  I really, really wish there would've been more content in between the second romance scene and the one after the Temple of Mythal.  Also, there's no option to give him a gift or even ask him about his paintings... :/  Wasted opportunity, imo.

Well he's got less content than Cullen because all of Cullen's interactions need to take place at Skyhold, so he had more of his budget to be put into cinematics. Cass gets a lot of cutscenes, but not all of those are romantic. Solas has about as many as Blackwall if you don't count the scene on the balcony at the end (because...yeah). So I wouldn't say a "lot" less content. Plus, there's something to be said for being a party member. In Hushed Whispers was one of the most emotional parts of the game for me because of Solas. I ran to go talk to him immediately after we got back to haven, and the conversation and flirt option that you got was perfect. So yeah, I would've loved more content, but I'm glad for what we got.

[sylvanaerie]

Yep. Patrick Weekes tweeted that the lack of a sex scene was to allow people to decide what happened themselves. And there are enough suggestive comments (some from Solas himself) to give ample room for headcanoning that they did do the deed over the course of the relationship.

 

And I am very okay with this. Because really, for this relationship, them actually having sex isn't what's important. It's the emotional connection. That emotional intensity is what the romance is all about, and would be there whether or not they had sex. So not wasting one of their scenes proving that they have in fact had sex was a good move on Bioware's part.

 

I'm also glad they didn't include a sex scene because the whole 'having sex under false pretenses' part of Blackwall's romance kinda creeps me out (I watched it on youtube, so maybe it's different if you actually do it over the course of a game, but I dunno). There are very important things that Solas can't tell you, and he is painfully aware of this during his romance. Every time he touches the Inquisitor, he hesitates, until she makes the first move. He is very aware of the ethical problems being in a relationship with the Inquisitor presents, and which is why he ultimately ends things. I'm not saying that them having sex would make the breakup worse (I waffle a bit, but I do imagine that Solas and my Inquisitor slept together), but the lack of a specific sex scene made me feel way better about this romance than I think I would have otherwise.

 

 

Same here.

 

I found that you kind of have to pace the romance yourself. And the stuff that came before the first kiss scene felt just as important as the stuff that came after. For me, the Solas romance started when he grabbed my Inquisitor's hand and shoved it into that first rift. It felt like a really natural progression from her starting to talk with him and becoming friends in Haven, then doing In Hushed Whispers and seeing him die to save her, then nearly dying herself and Solas leading her to a new sanctuary. And then came the first kiss scene, only after she'd developed a very deep relationship with Solas (and a terrible crush on him). And based on his reactions during that scene, it seemed like feelings had been developing on both sides. It was very sweet.

 

 

Honestly? Most of the romance is adorable. Compared to Blackwall's, for example, which packs in a lot of angst and self-loathing on Blackwall's part. It does feel a whole lot weightier than Josie or Cullen's, but more because of the emotional intensity as well as the knowledge of who Solas is. The breakup hurts, not gonna lie, but I do think it makes sense. It was probably the most ethical thing he could do under the circumstances. Though, of course, I know this but my poor character doesn't. If it gets a Witch Hunt-style DLC to add some resolution then I think it'll be my favourite Bioware romance ever after Garrus. If nothing else, it gives the ending way more impact than it would've had otherwise. 

 

Yea, this was pushing the envelope on angst for me.  

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Especially that he leaves immediately after your one night together and you wake up naked and in the stables of all places!  In my Inquisitor's room, maybe.  At least Fenris doesn't just do the deed with you out in the open like that and walk off leaving you naked and vulnerable.  

 

I adore Solas.  My first Inquisitor was an elf mage and i was so tempted to flirt with him, but I wanted to do Cullen's romance first, so he became my Dalish's mentor.  Then I learned what/who he was and my angst meter went off the charts.  Now, every scene with him (even just as a friend) is so weighted with that revelation.  I definitely get the 'feelings' part of the relationship--even without the relationship, something is there--but I don't think I can handle that break up.  I've utubed it, but that's not the same as actually experiencing it in game.  Maybe if they do a "Wolf Hunt" DLC I'll consider it.