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[sylvanaerie]

 

All of my yes but I would want it to be in a DLC or an expansion that takes place after the main game. Just as much as I want a Solas Reunion to wrap up that arc, I want a Cullen proposal to wrap up his. This is because it would totally fit Cullen's character and his romance. Can you imagine him and his bumbling self trying to find a right moment and trying to say the right thing during a story DLC that keeps interrupting his attempts (like the poor oblivious scout during the first kiss ). And just when it's close to the end, he catches the Inquisitor off guard , looks deep into her eyes and says

 

I think the collective squees would be heard from around the world.
 

 

Okay, if they made this as painfully humorous as helping Aveline with Donnic, I'd totally get behind that.  One of the most fun quests in DA2 was the "Hook up Aveline and Donnic" quest.  From her obliviousness to Hawke's flirtation to their mutual awkwardness getting to the point of the evening.  Isabela's comments really punctuate it.  

Won't see it because it's completely fan-service and there's already enough complaints about them not making Cullen bisexual from a large chunk of the community--that noise wouldn't be squeeing you'd hear over the sound of collective heads exploding in fan-rage.  

 

Not to mention since it's for such a small amount of the audience, I can't see it seeing the light of day, though I think something sweet and awkward would fit (in the right context) just about any of the romances (except Solas since he has all his own separate issues parting the lovers).

Would make a fantastic fanfic though 

[sylvanaerie]

I rather dislike them, partly due to my dislike of how they often seem to lead to people only caring for a character if it's a "LI", or demanding for her/him to be made into a "LI", without regard for what the character has to offer as a friend or how much s/he would have to be changed. I'd much rather have the chance to forge strong (platonic) bonds with my companions instead of having the only form of closeness gated away behind gender, species, orientation, attraction and commitment.

 

The lack of reciprocity some people have complained about very much applies to non-romance interactions, too, and is definitely one of my gripes with the game. We constantly listen, advise, care and support, and I do enjoy that but really wish the companions and advisors would turn the tables around at least once in a while. I was pleasantly surprised to have Josephine show up on the balcony after the Halamshiral resolution, and ask if I was all right, even put her hand on my shoulder in a huge contrast to her usual "proper" behavior. Gee, turns out that happens because it's a last-ditch invitation to get into a "romance". I'd have craved an actual supportive-friend scene in that moment, not a reminder that I should be committed to someone by now.

 

While it may also be that, there is a another way to look at this.  Josephine (of all the people in the inner circle) seems most in tune with the Inquisitor's needs, especially as a friend.  If  you have a LI and bring them to the ball, they dance with you.  I've heard if you don't have an LI, it's Josie who goes to the balcony and checks on you after the excitement is done--as a friend.  

 

I really liked that idea.

Spoiler

 Like forever alone Hawke and Aveline (who is the one to come to you if you have no LI in DA2 after Leandra dies).  TBH I liked the after convo with Aveline so much better than the one with the LI in Hawke's room.  They don't even hug you, but Aveline will toast her father and your mother, and share her experience with grief.

I enjoy Bioware stories, the friendships feel as enriched as the romances.  I much preferred both Zevran and Morrigan as friends to lovers.  Solas I have yet to romance because I really, really like the mentor/friend dynamic with his character.

[Korva]

While it may also be that, Josephine (of all the people in the inner circle) seems most in tune with the Inquisitor's needs, especially as a friend.

 

If that is how you see it, then I agree the scene fits. For me, while I do see Josephine as a friend to my character, she's definitely nowhere near as close or attuned as Cassandra, Cole, Solas, Varric or Dorian (roughly in that order). None of the advisors can match that. With both Josie and Cullen, there's always the impression of respectful distance due to rank, so it was just plain weird for Lady Proper Protocol to sidle up to put a hand on my character's shoulder, especially in a setting that was not remotely private. If there were any affectionate/supportive scenes with her (or someone else) showing some care for the Inquisitor before this moment, it wouldn't feel so completely out of the blue and somehow off.

 

I really liked that idea. [...] I enjoy Bioware stories, the friendships feel as enriched as the romances.

 

Oh, I like the idea too -- for me, it's all about the platonic bonds, all the time. I just don't feel it's actually expressed in the game because interactions are too few and too one-sided. From what I heard, they did indeed pull the friendship angle off well with Aveline (I didn't play DA2 because aside from her, the game held no appeal to me) so it's disappointing that there's nothing in this game.

[sylvanaerie]

If that is how you see it, then I agree the scene fits. For me, while I do see Josephine as a friend to my character, she's definitely nowhere near as close or attuned as Cassandra, Cole, Solas, Varric or Dorian (roughly in that order). None of the advisors can match that. With both Josie and Cullen, there's always the impression of respectful distance due to rank, so it was just plain weird for Lady Proper Protocol sidle up to put a hand on my character's shoulder, especially in a setting that was not remotely private. If there were any affectionate/supportive scenes with her (or someone else) showing some care for the Inquisitor before this moment, it wouldn't feel so completely out of the blue and somehow off.

 

 

 

 

Oh, I like the idea too -- for me, it's all about the platonic bonds, all the time. I just don't feel it's actually expressed in the game because interactions are too few and too one-sided. From what I heard, they did indeed pull the friendship angle off well with Aveline (I didn't play DA2 because aside from her, the game held no appeal to me) so it's disappointing that there's nothing in this game.

 

It depends on how much you talk to her.  Of the three advisors Josie is the most dialed in--even more than some of the companions.  One of the first conversations you can have with her fleshes out your background more for your character.  She asks about your childhood, your relationships with your family etc.  If you're an elf she asks if anyone is mistreating you because of your race--and to come to her if you have any problems.  Later you can gossip with her when she's having a stressed out day and share a laugh.  All the advisors have some good scenes regardless that you can't tote them around with your Inquisitor in the field, I just felt of them all, Josie has the most 'supportive' role to the Inquisitor, closer to a real friendship.  Both Cullen and Leliana ask very little about your inquisitor personally, even a romanced Cullen.

 

*Edit* I also really enjoyed Josie's personal quest, it was rather detailed (if you use her channels to resolve it instead of Leliana's) and allowed me to get to know more about Thedas politics, and some of Josie's personal background.  I think some excellent writing went into her story arc and I have yet to romance her.

 

And I was actually closer to Josie than some of the companions who did travel with me.  Though I love them all, that love was not equal.  Cass, Solas, Dorian and Varric were stand out favorites (for me).  I was less fond of the rest, but I loved them all.

 

*Edit* I found Iron Bull's conversations to be the closest to sharing a friendship among the companions, followed closely by Varric and Cassandra.  He initiates you going out among people disguised to get to know them, invites you to share a drink and a song with the Chargers, and in general initiating some of the dialogues (even if it requires you click on him to start them).  A very pleasant surprise for me how open he was in comparison to Sten's laconic responses (although as ben-hassrath I have to wonder how much is Bull and how much is bullsh*t).

[Nefla]

Romanced Cass and Dorian. Working on the Bull now.

 

Dorian is so far my favorite. Cass was very sweet. But Dorian is more fun, I think. And I got a "talking" too from Mother Griselle about being in a gay relationship. She was objecting, respectfully. I told her, respectfully, to drop dead. You also get a nice butt shot of Dorian. Ok, a few actually .

 

After the Bull I'll probably try Josephine. Oh and Cullen of course. 

That talking to is actually not romance related (rather it's Tevinter related), you get the same one if you're Dorian's friend and a woman.

[BubbleDncr]

That talking to is actually not romance related (rather it's Tevinter related), you get the same one if you're Dorian's friend and a woman.

 

Lol this was actually my answer to who all the rumors about my Inquisitor bedding her companions was, when I was in a Solas romance (until Weekes confirmed it to be open to interpretation). 

[Mr.House]

DAI romances are so far the best Bioware has done. All of them are varied and unique. 

[Mr.House]

I miss companions commenting on your romance such as Wynne giving you the sit down or Varric and Isabella nosing around in your business XD

Um Companions do that still. Not to mention some oft he banter is really good.

[Cantina]

OK, so let me get this straight:

 

 

Varric calling you Mrs. Rutherford is true, but has been pegged as a rumor because the patch some how removed it?

[Amirit]

Spoiler

It was nice to see the developers move forward with romance considering the previous games. However the path of romance I chose seemed to be missing bits and not to mention something that annoying me.

 

I for one can only comment on Cullen’s romance because the other options hold no interest.

 

 

Why so late? (<---annoyance)

 

I am a bit perplexed as to why I need to complete Adamant and The Ball before I can sleep with Cullen. I do not get as to why this could not have happened after one or the other, not both. To me this happens so late in the game that the relationship feels on the same gear up to this point.

 

 

Sexy Time

 

I really would have liked the option that once you sleep with whomever you choose, from that point on you can click on your romance and go to sleep with him/her. Just a small cut scene playing out instead of the whole fade to black crap for a few seconds, making you assume that you did have sex.

 

 

Gift

 

OK, yeah Cullen gives my character a gift, which is sweet and all, but why cannot I give one to him? Why not after we sleep together, I get the option to make a special sword for him to which gives a cut scene and Cullen equipping the sword from now on.

 

 

Lack of Romance Banter

 

Hardly anyone talks about my romance with Cullen. I get a few bits here or there but no companion banter while out wandering the hills. I get ONE dialogue happen at the War Table. You would think being with the Commander would cause a lot of your companions and advisers to be chatting up about it, but instead it felt like a tumble weed was rolling by most of the time.

 

Just a sample after you sleep with Cullen:

 

Leliana: Commander, one of the couriers may have an emotional scar for the rest of their life.

 

Cullen: What do you mean?

 

Leliana: Oh let’s just say that I know you were having a bit of fun last night.

 

Commander: What!

 

Leliana: I think it’s adorable.

 

Cullen: Maker’s Breath!

 

Leliana: (Laughs)

 

 

 

Marriage

 

I for one would gladly pay for an expansion pack that adds marriage to the game. Hell, I run around as it is calling Cullen my husband. In my opinion it would be nice if Bioware finally add this option into the game.

 

 

One Sided

 

To me it in DAI the romance seemed one-sided, you had to initiate to romance to keep moving forward. I would have liked to have seen that after flirting with Cullen so damn much, he cannot take it anymore. You go to your room, a cut scene plays out with Cullen arriving and it goes from there.

 

 

Little Things:

 

Nothing like going into your Skyhold quarters and seeing a love letter left by Cullen and/or some flowers. Little things do so much for the romance, making it feel more realistic.

 

 

Bah I rambled on long enough.

 

Thoughts? Comments? Sexual Innuendos?

 

Perfectly summed opinion with precise indication of weak points. Like it and agreed with almost all of them ("almost" only because I could live without regular sex scenes, but "could live" does not mean I do not want it in the game).

 

Only one question, though, after making that big list of overlooked things, what do you mean by "It was nice to see the developers move forward with romance considering the previous games." ? In what way did they move forward? They removed some of the existed things like jealous scenes and party banters, or companions hinting they are interested before you do, we can not mod the game to get more sex-scenes or something in that direction, romance dialogs are limited too. The only thing they did here is restoring companions sexuality (which was lost only in DA2) and adding more options in general (mostly in line with ME3 but more gender even). 

What was new and original that I missed?

[Cantina]

Perfectly summed opinion with precise indication of weak points. Like it and agreed with almost all of them ("almost" only because I could live without regular sex scenes, but "could live" does not mean I do not want it in the game).

 

Only one question, though, after making that big list of overlooked things, what do you mean by "It was nice to see the developers move forward with romance considering the previous games." ? In what way did they move forward? They removed some of the existed things like jealous scenes and party banters, or companions hinting they are interested before you do, we can not mod the game to get more sex-scenes or something in that direction, romance dialogs are limited too. The only thing they did here is restoring companions sexuality (which was lost only in DA2) and adding more options in general (mostly in line with ME3 but more gender even). 

What was new and original that I missed?

 

How about for starters having sex in your undies in DAO.

[wright1978]

Thought the romance content was poorer than previous games. Spreading across multiple options due to gating etc wasn't good. I'd prefer they deepen the content in future games.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I romanced Josephine myself, and it was incredible. I loved every bit of it and it was no shorter than other romances. It's a breath of fresh air, flirting with her is basically classy courting which is adorable. Both her dedicated romance scenes are cheesy yet extremely lovely and warm, they never fail to put a smile on my face due to the explosion of cuteness. My favorite part would be the hug she gives you after the final battle, the second I noticed how the setting was, and how I was walking towards the three advisers all I could think was "Josie Josie Josie!" and then she embraces my Inquisitor and my heart MELTED. 

TL;DR: I only romanced Josephine. It's my favorite romance in any Bioware game.

[Mr.House]

Perfectly summed opinion with precise indication of weak points. Like it and agreed with almost all of them ("almost" only because I could live without regular sex scenes, but "could live" does not mean I do not want it in the game).

 

Only one question, though, after making that big list of overlooked things, what do you mean by "It was nice to see the developers move forward with romance considering the previous games." ? In what way did they move forward? They removed some of the existed things like jealous scenes and party banters, or companions hinting they are interested before you do, we can not mod the game to get more sex-scenes or something in that direction, romance dialogs are limited too. The only thing they did here is restoring companions sexuality (which was lost only in DA2) and adding more options in general (mostly in line with ME3 but more gender even). 

What was new and original that I missed?

There ARE party banter. I've romanced Bull and he has alot of romance banter with Cass, Cole Varric and Dorian,m probably others too. Sera and Dorian are also very flirty, even if you DON'T flirt with them. Romancing Cass and Varric just teased the living crap out of her with the romance.

 

As like another poster said, the romance scenes themselves where waaaay better then past games.

[Mr.House]

Thought the romance content was poorer than previous games. Spreading across multiple options due to gating etc wasn't good. I'd prefer they deepen the content in future games.

Except you know the content was deeper, just because you don't like that characters have preferences now and you can't get what you want does not mean the content lacks depth.

[LadyJaneGrey]

OK, so let me get this straight:

 

 

Varric calling you Mrs. Rutherford is true, but has been pegged as a rumor because the patch some how removed it?

 

This morning I loaded up three different saves in my Cullen game trying to get the Mrs. Rutherford line to trigger again because it DID happen.  I was not able to get Varric to say it again. 

 

I can't swear 100% it's the patch, but that's the only thing that changed.  If I have time tonight I'll load a super-early save and work through some content and see if it pops up.

[Cantina]

This morning I loaded up three different saves in my Cullen game trying to get the Mrs. Rutherford line to trigger again because it DID happen.  I was not able to get Varric to say it again. 

 

I can't swear 100% it's the patch, but that's the only thing that changed.  If I have time tonight I'll load a super-early save and work through some content and see if it pops up.

 

Damn! I wish this WAS in the game. That would be awesome! Thanks for the update and please continue to do so.

[nightscrawl]

I've only done two romances: Cullen and Dorian. I do like the idea that these have a different flavor based on the personalty and history of the given LI. Cullen is shy, but in a withdrawn way, unlike Alistair (the logical comparison to Cullen) who is shy in an awkward, goofy way. After just minor encouragement, Alistair has no problems showing his affection, initiating a kiss, or asking to go further in your tent.

 

To me, your suggestion of Cullen initiating a cutscene in your Skyhold quarters seems completely contrary to his personality and would drastically alter the feel of the romance. That appears to be what you want, but it doesn't seem like "Cullen" to me. Cullen is not Anders, he doesn't have self-control issues -- the man asks permission to return to taking lyrium --, so he waits to be absolutely sure that this is what you want, regardless of what he wants. True, Alistair is also sure that it's what you want, but the fact that he has it in himself to ask is the key difference between him and Cullen.

 

In other words, I think the Cullen romance is just fine. Really, the only problem I had with it is the "press this button to start a romance" issue. Since it was my first play I delayed a significant amount of time before making the selection because I was wondering whether Cullen would initiate.

[Cantina]

I've only done two romances: Cullen and Dorian. I do like the idea that these have a different flavor based on the personalty and history of the given LI. Cullen is shy, but in a withdrawn way, unlike Alistair (the logical comparison to Cullen) who is shy in an awkward, goofy way. After just minor encouragement, Alistair has no problems showing his affection, initiating a kiss, or asking to go further in your tent.

 

To me, your suggestion of Cullen initiating a cutscene in your Skyhold quarters seems completely contrary to his personality and would drastically alter the feel of the romance. That appears to be what you want, but it doesn't seem like "Cullen" to me. Cullen is not Anders, he doesn't have self-control issues -- the man asks permission to return to taking lyrium --, so he waits to be absolutely sure that this is what you want, regardless of what he wants. True, Alistair is also sure that it's what you want, but the fact that he has it in himself to ask is the key difference between him and Cullen.

 

In other words, I think the Cullen romance is just fine. Really, the only problem I had with it is the "press this button to start a romance" issue. Since it was my first play I delayed a significant amount of time before making the selection because I was wondering whether Cullen would initiate.

 

 

Hmm interesting I never thought of it in that way. I see your point.

 

I do like the fact that Cullen has not changed on his shy awkward nature around a woman he likes in private. I find it adorable.

[Zwingtanz]

Liked the boobies. Very tasteful etc.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Damn! I wish this WAS in the game. That would be awesome! Thanks for the update and please continue to do so.

 

You're welcome.  It felt like Varric knew Cullen and the Inquisitor were an inevitability before they themselves did. 

[Amirit]

How about for starters having sex in your undies in DAO.

 

And what exactly changed in in DAI? No sex scenes at all for the most of romances? Besides, you said "move forward with romance considering the previous games". DAO is only one of them. We did have it before (say ME), it's not a real step forward. No, I understand the wish to be polite before the rant (not really a rant, more like pointing overlooks). Just stumbled over that phrase.

[nightscrawl]

That talking to is actually not romance related (rather it's Tevinter related), you get the same one if you're Dorian's friend and a woman.

 

Yepper, I can confirm this. BUT, if you are referring to the cutscene that starts with Dorian and Giselle arguing, there is an extra bit (after Giselle leaves) if you are in the romance which I thought was adorable.

[wright1978]

Except you know the content was deeper, just because you don't like that characters have preferences now and you can't get what you want does not mean the content lacks depth.

I don't like the introduction of gating it is true. However the main issue is that the content that was previously split 4/5 ways is now split 8 ways. So my opinion is that romances feel to lack depth, and certainly don't have the increased depth I hoped for.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

I romanced Solas my first go and now I'm romancing Cullen.

 

Even though I like Solas more, the romance with Cullen has been more satifying, because there has been more opportunity for flirting and being playful.

 

Solas is so moody. I didn't like the culmination scene at all because it felt like I did a lot of work for nothing.