Still wish they'd take it further and delve deeper into that mechanic. They are, after all, the pioneers in this.
(Your) Thoughts on Romance
#126
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 03:51
#127
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 03:59
For all their friendships, the Inquisitor is rather alone, internally, at least. So many reminders at "what she means to Thedas" I wanted to yell at them, "I get it! Pressure OFF already, m'kay?"
This. At one point I actually did yell, "Can't y'all find ANYTHING else to talk about? There's NOTHING else going on in this entire castle?" at the screen. Then I found Solas and he told me a story so it was all good again. ![]()
- Bethgael aime ceci
#128
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 04:52
I didn't think about it at first, but it's true. While there's possibly lots of banter from other companions that I've missed, I'm pretty certain that Cassandra is the only one that actually has multiple sequences of dialogue that are initiated in response to her party banter. She has multiple in her own quest to find the Seekers.
Ah, Harding. The romance that wasn't, but should have been.
I actually got an option to flirt with Harding when I arrived at the Western Approach while she was filling me in on the local situation. I didn't choose it because I'm romancing Cassandra. Is she definitely not a potential romance? Has anyone else seen this?
#129
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 05:06
I actually got an option to flirt with Harding when I arrived at the Western Approach while she was filling me in on the local situation. I didn't choose it because I'm romancing Cassandra. Is she definitely not a potential romance? Has anyone else seen this?
I'm pretty sure those flirts exist regardless of romance. My Inquisitor was already in a romance with Sera and they were available. Funnily, Sera will approve of all of your flirting with Harding even after.
#130
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 05:14
Dorian seems like fun.
I do admit that it does seem that way looking at him from the outside if you've never done the romance. But he's got some security issues that play out that make him more vulnerable than he lets on. It made me crazy on occasion; at times I've just wanted my PC to grab him and say, "Don't you realize how crazy about you I am?!"
Yes. Mine (the romance Cullen, one, a femmmewarr), too. She went through the Mage side with Dorian, and as far as she was concerned, Dorian was the only person besides her that truly knew the stakes they were all playing for. NO ONE was allowed to have a go at him. No one. Up until that point, she liked Giselle. After that, it was all she could do not to smack her in her smug stupid religious face every time she saw her.
Seriously, Giselle. Go eat a deathroot.
I understand the feeling completely, and I've seen that scene from both a fem BFF perspective and a male romance perspective. That said, Dorian himself doesn't seem that bothered by it, and that is usually my barometer for things like that.
- Bethgael aime ceci
#131
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 05:27
1:Most rromance banter let you chime in
2:Plenty of characters will mention your romance at Skyhold when you talk to them. Just because it's not long like Wynnes chat does not mean it does not exist.
Like I said, the banter hardly ever triggers for me, there's a whole thread about this. Also I do want an actual conversation like Wynne's or Varric's (or even Ander's short disapproval of your LI) rather just than things like Sera's "yeah I got thoughts, how can you still walk?"
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#132
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 07:28
Another note re the OP; I really feel the romances have been partly made, also, by the voice actors. Greg Ellis is clearly very comfortable in Cullen's skin (he was a better Anders, too, imo). Dorian's VA is fantastic. And Alix made a wonderful femmquisitor (the male default--whose name escapes me atm--is also good, but a little flat in comparison). The way she delivered the line: "Cullen. You. Me. Pretty lake." in that scene cracked me up.
After I got over oh, it's "Freddie Prinze Jr doing Deep Voice", I like his Bull, too.
Steve Valentine's Alistair will always be the melty one, though. 'Twas good to hear it again.
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Steve Valentine did so damn good. I totally blame Alistair for me not really caring about any of the other romances in DA. Once I went Al I never went back, so to speak.
Will eventually try one of the romances in DAI because trophy/achievement but I won't think too much on it.
- Bethgael aime ceci
#133
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 08:05
I thought the romances were the best so far of any recent Bioware game (DA and ME franchises). ME1 I also liked enough, it was subtle and fairly tasteful.
#134
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 08:14
I didn't care for the Sera romance at all. (Don't get me started that BOTH the Elven characters are so anti-elf just LAME IMO)
Although I really like the Josie romance option (because it is soooooooooooo sweet), as I play an very pro Elf, I just don't see that working out in the long term.
I think if you played a female elf you should have been able to romance Briala. Not only does this work (as we already know Briala is into women) it also could be a great way to cement the alliance if you support her in Orlais. It would also be great fodder for the rumour mill in Orlais (well all Thedas actually).
Plus there could be some great lines about Briala "trading up" from Celene to the Inquisitor.
#135
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 08:54
Maybe my banter will fire on my Nightmare run ![]()
I also think the romances were much better than ME and the other DA's - voice acting was better and it seems they shed a lot of the awkward stuff.
I think the only romance that comes close from the ME or DA frnachise, is ME3's continued Garrusmance, which went from three turns on a dialogue wheel and "we'll bag, OK?" in ME2 to something really nice in ME3.
Have to respectfully disagree on Alix as a VA, though - I get to order a lot of men about due to work, and the last thing you'd do is what she does - get screechy when you raise your voice.
Also not big on Prinze - you'd expect a Qunari to be able to pronounce some of the basic concepts of the Qun ;-)
I'd have loved the Arishok VA from DA:II to do a repeat performace
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I also agree with the too much game, too little to spread around - I am still trying to figure a good balance between leveling and chapters, so hopefully the sheer size will allow for some really good filler DLC.
But all in all, I am pretty happy with where they took the romances - we dont have elves with drinking issues as stylistic crutches, or superbitchy apostates with entire non-sequiturs on rivalmance paths, or really badly rigged secksytime animations
Only thing I didn't like of my two romances thus far, was Quizzy waking up nekkid and alone in a stable - could've put her under one of those skins, or BW could've put something over her, imo - the nekkid felt gratuitous, and also unrealistic, for me. I live in a cold climate (currently -15C/5F), and you pretty much don't wake up all stretched out and warm-fuzzies in a stable like that if you've a building high up with perma-snow on the mountains, so that was an immersion breaker(You'd wake up curled up and shaking, if you were naked, imo, if you weren't suffering severe hypothermia, and that'd been a very interesting plot twist ;-))
Curious to see where they'll take it ![]()
#136
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 09:31
It depends on how much you talk to her. Of the three advisors Josie is the most dialed in--even more than some of the companions.
I talk to everyone a lot ... always wishing they had more to say, sigh. It's true that Josie is definitely the most attentive of the advisors, be it because it's part of her job or her personality or both. (One thing I liked about her is that she and Cassandra are the only ones who ask about the mark. You'd think more people would be curious about it, or worrying whether it's painful.) For me, though, the impression of formal distance never went away -- it decreased, yes, but not nearly to the point where public touch would have felt natural coming from her.
*Edit* I found Iron Bull's conversations to be the closest to sharing a friendship among the companions, followed closely by Varric and Cassandra. He initiates you going out among people disguised to get to know them, invites you to share a drink and a song with the Chargers, and in general initiating some of the dialogues (even if it requires you click on him to start them). A very pleasant surprise for me how open he was in comparison to Sten's laconic responses (although as ben-hassrath I have to wonder how much is Bull and how much is bullsh*t).
I share that suspicion, but given how his personal mission plays out and the crap his old "friend" gives him during it, I think the Iron Bull we see is the real deal. He's "gone native" as it were, and while part of him remains loyal to the qun, he is also glad that the qunari are far away. I don't think I could ever not choose the Chargers, even if I didn't loathe the qun. But yes, some of his scenes are among the best. He'll never be a favourite for me, but he's fine in my book.
Varric's and Cassandra's "friendship scenes" are fantastic examples of what I love and wish for more of, each in their own way. For Varric, it's the aspect of (almost) everyone coming together as friends. Bonding moments all around, laughter and happiness. It was like him saying "this is family now", and I loved him for making it happen. For Cassandra, it's the quiet, more intimate musing about the future and expressing admiration, culminating in a powerful sense of mutual affection and understanding as they both lean against the window and just look into each other's eyes. Great writing, both.
- Bethgael aime ceci
#137
Posté 28 décembre 2014 - 12:53
As a side note: i also like that you can "flirt" (I see some of those as extreme friendship, often) with some chars and it doesn't go anywhere (Harding, Cullen if male--although you can ask to go further, he will refuse -- Dorian if female, Vivienne, etc) because it allows those NPC some internal lives. I also like that if you listen around Haven and Skyhold that some of the NPCs will be having their own things going on that have nothing to do with you.
Gets rid of the trope that the NPCs are all there in service (so to speak) of the PC.
For example,
ETA:
I understand the feeling completely, and I've seen that scene from both a fem BFF perspective and a male romance perspective. That said, Dorian himself doesn't seem that bothered by it, and that is usually my barometer for things like that.
Yes, true enough. I'd read his response as more of a "I'm used to this stuff anyhow" kind of sigh--it may bother him, but he's not going to let it, if that makes sense. His response when you reply to his question about whether the rumours bother you with "only on your behalf", along with the look on his face, made me d'awww (I actually rarely d'aww, despite the amount of it I'm apparently doing in this thread).
I'm a bit like that with friends IRL, too (and femmewarr is most reflective of me in RP, I guess)--say whatever you like about me, but kick a friend (or my kids) and I'll bury you.
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