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[Rittmeister64]

Since they completely ruined the Liara character in ME2+3, I'd honestly rather forget her and not get bothered by her crybaby voice once again.

 

A typical conversation with T'Soni since ME2:

Shep: Good Morning, Liara.

T'Soni: Shepard, how can this be a good morning? You're probably gonna DIE soon.

Shep: Anyway, would you like to go to Luigi's place for lunch?

T'Soni: Sure, but I can't, sorry. I have to stare at my TV-wall for another 5 hours, also you could DIE from food poisoning.

Shep: Damn, but ok. How about you come to my cabin after shift for some R&R?

T'Soni: Would love to, but Glyph already asked to talk with me about the latest NSA report, and we can't risk you DYING in bed, can we?

 

Goddamnit. Why did they ruin the cute Archeologist girl from ME1?

[Undead Han]

I thought ME2/ME3 Liara was a vast improvement over her ME1 version.

[BassStyles]

That's a pretty cool idea actually. You could make it an optional thing of discovering them and have the recordings be based off you Mass Effect Keep choices.

Then have your Squadmates give some kind of input (Krogan SM for example would talk about how Wrex and Shepard helped broker human/Krogan relations if GP cured/sabotage) based on those choices.

Like some have mentioned, keep it optional away from the main story. For those who want to hear about their past Shepard's accomplishments, they can do these sidequests that have little to no consequence on your main campaign.

[Rittmeister64]

I thought ME2/ME3 Liara was a vast improvement over her ME1 version.

you mean by giving her an XL jacket so you can't see her ass anymore?

[Vazgen]

I didn't like Liara in Mass Effect 1. As I recall, the information she provides on the Protheans is similar to what you can read in the codex. In fact, Shepard already knows more than she does due to the beacon and Cipher. I would've liked her more if she could share some unique and much more detailed overview of the Protheans, based on her research. In ME2 and ME3 she comes out as a quite competent information broker (not Shadow Broker type of competence, she falls short of that IMO), and I like competent characters.

[Iakus]

you mean by giving her a crappy outfit so you can't see her ass anymore?

To be fair though she, like most of Mass Effect's female characters, got substantial...augmentation...in the front. 

[Element Zero]

I think they changed her too drastically. She was a sweet, wide-eyed "kid" in ME. She definitely had some growing to do. It was a shock, though, to meet the new grim-dark Liara in ME2. The LotSB helped a bit, since you could actually talk to her; but the entire idea of making her the Broker was a bad idea, in my opinion. They put themselves in a no-win situation when they did that.

She wasn't a convincing Broker. The Broker works best as a shadowy, background character, dispensing info when it's convenient to the plot. Putting the Broker on your ship, focused solely on your mission, was a head-scratcher. It could only result in inconsistent, mixed results. She was consistently upstaged by other characters, despite all of her touted "resources". I didn't want the game to devolve even more into the Liara Show, but trying to "spread the wins" among the crew just made her seem incompetent. As I said, a no-win situation.

[KaiserShep]

I thought ME2/ME3 Liara was a vast improvement over her ME1 version.

 

I agree. Wrex, Ashley and Kaidan were the strongest characters on the ship. Tali Garrus and Liara didn't really get into any kind of stride until ME2.

[Rusted Cage]

Since they completely ruined the Liara character in ME2+3, I'd honestly rather forget her and not get bothered by her crybaby voice once again.

 

A typical conversation with T'Soni since ME2:

Shep: Good Morning, Liara.

T'Soni: Shepard, how can this be a good morning? You're probably gonna DIE soon.

Shep: Anyway, would you like to go to Luigi's place for lunch?

T'Soni: Sure, but I can't, sorry. I have to stare at my TV-wall for another 5 hours, also you could DIE from food poisoning.

Shep: Damn, but ok. How about you come to my cabin after shift for some R&R?

T'Soni: Would love to, but Glyph already asked to talk with me about the latest NSA report, and we can't risk you DYING in bed, can we?

 

Goddamnit. Why did they ruin the cute Archeologist girl from ME1?

I really didn't like Liara in Mass Effect. That annoying high-pitched, saccharin voice and short breathy dialogue. I prefer women in media to be portrayed stronger, more real.

[Drone223]

I think they changed her too drastically. She was a sweet, wide-eyed "kid" in ME. She definitely had some growing to do. It was a shock, though, to meet the new grim-dark Liara in ME2. The LotSB helped a bit, since you could actually talk to her; but the entire idea of making her the Broker was a bad idea, in my opinion. They put themselves in a no-win situation when they did that.

She wasn't a convincing Broker. The Broker works best as a shadowy, background character, dispensing info when it's convenient to the plot. Putting the Broker on your ship, focused solely on your mission, was a head-scratcher. It could only result in inconsistent, mixed results. She was consistently upstaged by other characters, despite all of her touted "resources". I didn't want the game to devolve even more into the Liara Show, but trying to "spread the wins" among the crew just made her seem incompetent. As I said, a no-win situation.

tbh the fact that she managed to become on of the best information brokers on Ilium in two years with no background training or experience being an information broker is just bad writing and very unbelievable. I'm no information broker but I doubt some one can become one in two years since the competition most likely is very competitive, it probably requires one or two decades of training and preparation to become one.

[KaiserShep]

I can't be the only one that doesn't consider this any less believable than some primitive brute alien from a pre-space flight species successfully taking on the role. The hell kind of prior experience could a yagh have?

[Probe Away]

I think Feron should have become the SB. That way Liara could have had a connection to the Broker for useful intel without appearing inept when she gets outdone by EDI and Traynor. Then her info broker phase in 2 would have just been an obsession with repaying Feron and she could have stayed an archeologist in 3.

Re the OP - great idea if it's just one Easter egg for exploring on a side mission. Find a capsule, and then get a scene with your crew where you listen to the recording and discuss a few points about the war before going back to your mission.

[Element Zero]

We know little about the Yahg, beyond their being brutally violent (by Council standards) and very intelligent (an outwardly strange combination). Reading the logs concerning his rise to power, I didn't find it hard to believe.

He seemed exceptional for his species, wanting to leave his world and find "what wonders awaited him" in space. He became the Broker's top agent, being both physically imposing and disturbingly intelligent. In time, the Broker realized his error in trusting this excessively brutal lieutenant and tried to correct it by having "Operative Kechlu" killed. It was too late. Kechlu, having learned all he needed to know, killed him and took over the job.

Kechlu was not a primitive brute. His predecessor paid with his life for underestimating him. I think the brief story we find in those logs paints a believable rise to power by an obvious prodigy. It's a shame we couldn't make an ally of him, having gone on about his brilliance. He was unfortunately born a Yagh, I guess. Shepard is not susceptible to Yahg bully-tactics, as Kechlu learned.

EDIT: I felt moved to read the Yahg wiki page, after making this post. These guys are the "best at everything race", excepting inter-species diplomacy. If it were marketable (which it is not), a Yahg would make a good protagonist for a single-player game. Smarter? Check. Stronger? Check. Faster? Check. Nearly impossible to hoodwink? Yep. These guys could produce some serious Mary Sues, if they got off Parnak. What are those crazy Salarians thinking? These guys are bigger than Krogan and as smart as Salarians. Yikes.

Honestly, I'd really like to see one of these guys in a future game, if they could find a "not lame" way of doing it. It seems they willingly and loyally follow a proven leader, so clearly we need a Yahg crew member, at some point.

[Drone223]

I can't be the only one that doesn't consider this any less believable than some primitive brute alien from a pre-space flight species successfully taking on the role. The hell kind of prior experience could a yagh have?

Well a archeologist with no experience in being a information broker is also just as far fetched. With the Yahg we at least see that their intelligence and rate of learning is comparable with Salarians.

[Asari_Party]

I like the idea, it would be a nice little nod to the trilogy.
 

 

I thought ME2/ME3 Liara was a vast improvement over her ME1 version.

 

I agree. Liara was ok in ME1, but she also suffered from walking codex syndrome. She became my favorite squadmate through LotSB and ME3.

[goishen]

To be honest, I think they just put Liara in as an "in case you didn't read the codex" backup.  She was more, but little more.  Or rather, in ME1.  In ME2 & 3, yah.   She kicked some major ass.

[SNascimento]

Anything Asari related should be burned with fire. There shouldn't be a pure fan service race anymore. 

[KaiserShep]

Anything Asari related should be burned with fire. There shouldn't be a pure fan service race anymore. 

 

Wait, you mean just not have the asari be in the game anymore? I'm pretty sure that's never going to happen.

[Rittmeister64]

Anything Asari related should be burned with fire. There shouldn't be a pure fan service race anymore. 

would you rather watch Krogan Strippers at Afterlife? Hell no.

Asari are the best race in ME, too bad the Asari you have in your crew is boring as hell. I'd love to trade T'Soni against the Commando Asari who attacked us at the Lab. At least that girl had spirit and not such a whiny voice.

[Element Zero]

Yeah, Liara is the tamest, most human Asari by far. Clearly, it was by design, with them going so far as to tattoo eyebrows on her and her mother, despite the fact that Liara herself claims little familiarity with humans. Shiala's positive reception proves that a less humanized Asari would've been just as well, and less odd.

[Element Zero]

Anything Asari related should be burned with fire. There shouldn't be a pure fan service race anymore.

When I think of fan service in ME, I think of Tali. They twisted the story all about to accommodate Tali's vocal fans. I like Tali, but I think she and the story would non have been better served by a better narrative. The Asari have never really seemed like fan service to me, beyond the obvious "species of space babes" trope, which is intentional and acknowledged.

[Mordokai]

Anything Asari related should be burned with fire. There shouldn't be a pure fan service race anymore. 

 

[Rittmeister64]

even the new protagonist won'T escape Liara lol

but seriously enough of her I would rather meet Samara again she was always a lot better than Liara in my opinion who was already used way too much in ME3

not a fan of how the writers force her on us 

 

 

Samara was unfortunately ugly as hell, that face looked like a bad copy of the robot from Fritz Lang's Metropolis movie. Too hard face. Would rather not see her again, also her BDSM outfit was really ugly and ridiculous, not hot at all. That robot's name was Maria - not too different from Samara.

 

[Element Zero]

Yeah, her outfit is shameful. Anyone involved in designing and approving it should be ashamed. Her face is modeled after a real-life model. While she's not my cup of tea, I won't call her ugly. The character does have beautiful eyes and skin. They did a great job with that.

I found Morinth much more attractive, despite their nearly identical appearance. That gaudy, embarrassing outfit really ruined Samara's appearance. The should've just based her design off of the Asari commandos we've seen, customizing for uniqueness. Shiala is nearly universally praised as an attractive character. That should've been a clue.

Things got much more cheesy and tacky as the series advanced. By the end, we'd seen Miranda's space-sloot outfit; Samara's embarrassing get-up; Ash's weird, extreme make-over; and Dr. Eva/EDI-- the "infiltration unit" with a decidedly unsubtle sexbot body, clothing modeled after 80s workout gear, and the infamous camel-toe. I oft wonder WTH they were thinking. I really hope for more realistic character presentation in future games.