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[Serza]

I'm on my Fifth play through actually. And I'm well aware of what Solas is.

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Fen'Harel- The Dread Wolf-Elven Trickster God

But as for what he intends to do and what that means remains a mystery...

 

Well, you're not who I speak of. And neither am I. Yet there are people for whom, my previous statement still rings true.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well, you're not who I speak of. And neither am I. Yet there are people for whom, my previous statement still rings true.

Tough ****** for them, surfing the story campaign and characters board comes with risks, even if it isn't the spoiler section. It's been a month and then some.

[dragonflight288]

Tough ****** for them, surfing the story campaign and characters board comes with risks, even if it isn't the spoiler section. It's been a month and then some.

 

It was a risk a week before the game came out, lol. I had to take time away from the board to avoid any spoilers at all. 

[Mirrman70]

The elf mage in Iron Bull's company is not an archer, it is supposed to be a joke that she pretends to be an archer but is blatantly a mage. I am pretty sure during Iron Bull's personal quest she has a staff too.  She is supposed to be hiding that she is a mage though so she jokingly "lies" about it.

[Mims]

This is a cool theory! But I doubt it is one that will pan out. We've just got too many companion members hiding who/what they are for Sera to jump onboard too. There's also the fact that Andruil is one of the gods sealed away, and was generally not a great person to begin with. [Constantly hunting in the void, possibly infected with red lyrium, attempted to conscript Fen'Harel as her sex slave for a year, murdered her servants left and right in sacrifices...] 

 

Sera is chaotic, but she's not that chaotic. If we ever see Andruil again, I imagine she'd be a villain. 

[NoForgiveness]

If it means we get another game with Sera then I'll take it.

[stop_him]

 

 

Also, when Solas attempts to speak to her in Elvan he refers to her as one of his people. This is HIGHLY significant as if you play as an Elf as the Inquisitor, Solas points out that even though you are an Elf you are NOT one of his people. Do you see the issue? Why would he refer to Sera as one and not the apparent saviour of the world?  

 

 

Solas is very inconsistent with who his "people" are. He actually does count the Elf Inquisitor one of his people. After Haven falls, and he tells the Inquisitor about the Orb he says, "The humans have not raised one of our people so high for ages beyond counting."

 

 

(At least he says that to a female elf, don't know about a male elf.) When you play as another race, he doesn't count you among his people for sure. Based on what I've encountered in game with Solas, he considers (female?) elves with high approval one of his people (I've not yet done a play through where I've punched him in the face).

 

And yes, it would seem based on banter, that he considers Sera one of his people as well.

[azarhal]

Solas is very inconsistent with who his "people" are. He actually does call the Inquisitor one of his people. After Haven falls, and he tells the Inquisitor about the Orb he says, "The humans have not raised one of our people so high for ages beyond counting."

 

(At least he says that to a female elf, don't know about a male elf.) 

 

He says that to my male mage elf too.

[bairdduvessa]

interesting

[SirGladiator]

Hey, why not?  It seems the old elves had the ability to live a really long time, and change bodies, and obviously at some point they were worshiped because of that.  Certainly they aren't gods, they just had powerful magic (remember Tuvoc in DAO?  The elf keeper dude who was super cool because he was voiced by the dude who was Tuvoc in Star Trek Voyager?  He seemed to have that power too, he didn't change bodies but he lived a super long time, due to blood magic) , but the elves thought they were, and since we already know Solas is one such person why couldn't Sera be another?  Its not like being an old elf is inherently bad just because Solas is, and it's not her fault if some elves wanted to worship her at some point, there's not any evidence, that I'm aware of, that she actually wanted them to.  I'd say her having a unique background like that would just make her that much more interesting, kind've like how your character in KOTOR becomes a lot more interesting when you learn about their past.  If it's true, it's another part of Sera's past, something that adds depth to her already interesting character.  And of course there are a number of possibilities, is Sera actually Andruil in disguise, like Solas, or is Andruil simply living inside Sera as a part of her, like Mythil is living inside of Flemeth?  If so, does Sera even actually know that?  A lot of unanswered questions and really interesting possibilities, but it certainly would be more interesting if Sera is hundreds, or thousands, of years old  instead of the 30 or 40 or whatever that she 'seems' to be .  I say let's go with that !

[jellobell]

A lot of unanswered questions and really interesting possibilities, but it certainly would be more interesting if Sera is hundreds, or thousands, of years old  instead of the 30 or 40 or whatever that she 'seems' to be

You think Sera is 30 or 40?   Try barely past 20. Her whole character is based around being young and living in the moment and not really knowing what she wants out of life.

[TheodoricFriede]

This would certainly make me like her significantly more.

[GameBoyish]

Apparently Andruil lost her memory so this would be an interesting revelation.

[TheJediSaint]

Don't tell me people are buying this garbage...

 

In that case Merril is Ghilan'nain and Fenris is Falon'Din. Because reasons.

Now you're just giving people ideas.

[raging_monkey]

Don't tell me people are buying this garbage...
 
In that case Merril is Ghilan'nain and Fenris is Falon'Din. Because reasons.

but its good garbage smells of sweet tea and caramel incense

[M-Taylor]

Sera is an unfortunant casualty in the development of Solas. I wouldn't confuse story clues to Solas's identity as clues to her own.

 

Sera is Sera. That's enough and beautiful in her own way. She's wild, young and care free, and it would detract from her story if it was revealed that she was actually an ancient Elven Goddess. Everything she stands for would be in ruin.

 

Plus, I'm sorry but the probability of having not one but two ancient Elves hidden in the very core of the Inquisition would stretch believability to the very max. Bioware are (usually) very good story writers, and I think they even acknowledge that this would tip the Inquistion to almost Mary Sue status. What's next, Iron Bull is actually the founder of the Qun and Cole is the Maker in disguise?

 

So yeah, fun theory but I'm not buying it. All your clues, while well thought out, point more to Solas's identity in my opinion, not Sera.

[nranola]

It's certainly possible... I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

[AresKeith]

I doubt it, Sera is Sera. There may be more to her but nothing that has to do with elven gods

And I'd rather Bioware don't make every elf companion we met and Elven god

[TheJediSaint]

I doubt it, Sera is Sera. There may be more to her but nothing that has to do with elven gods

And I'd rather Bioware don't make every elf companion we met and Elven god

To be fair, it's only been 1 out of 5 so far.

[dragondreamer]

Don't tell me people are buying this garbage...

 

In that case Merril is Ghilan'nain and Fenris is Falon'Din. Because reasons.

 

Fenris is more Elgar'nan.  With all the rage and rawring.

[Banxey]

You’re not the only one who thinks something is going on with Sera, OP. I started getting the feeling something was up before finishing my first playthrough. It doesn't mean it's correct of course, but it is fun to speculate. A friend and I have been speculating about Sera for a while.

First I’m not sure that Sera is Andruil in the way Solas is Fen’Harel. While Sera doesn’t remember her parents, I think it’s possible she is a vessel for Andruil in the way Flemeth is for Mythal. Regardless, I don’t think Sera knows what is going on. She seems to be hiding from memories, fears her dreams could be real (something that comes up in the romance) and is antagonistic toward the elven “gods”. At times she seems to want the Inquisitor to reassure her that the elven “gods” aren’t real (her reaction when returning from the well of sorrows).

Here is a codex entry on Andruil that I think is important:
 

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One day Andruil grew tired of hunting mortal men and beasts. She began stalking The Forgotten Ones, wicked things that thrive in the abyss. Yet even a god should not linger there, and each time she entered the Void, Andruil suffered longer and longer periods of madness after returning.
 
Andruil put on armor made of the Void, and all forgot her true face. She made weapons of darkness, and plague ate her lands. She howled things meant to be forgotten, and the other gods became fearful Andruil would hunt them in turn. So Mythal spread rumors of a monstrous creature and took the form of a great serpent, waiting for Andruil at the base of a mountain.
 
When Andruil came, Mythal sprang on the hunter. They fought for three day and nights, Andruil slashing deep gouges in the serpent's hide. But Mythal's magic sapped Andruil's strength, and stole her knowledge of how to find the Void. After this, the great hunter could never make her way back to the abyss, and peace returned.
 
—Translated from ancient elven found in the Arbor Wilds, source unverified

 
"Yet even a god should not linger there, and each time she entered the Void, Andruil suffered longer and longer periods of madness after returning." and "But Mythal's magic sapped Andruil's strength, and stole her knowledge of how to find the Void. After this, the great hunter could never make her way back to the abyss, and peace returned."
 
This text could explain why Sera doesn’t know what she is (whatever that is) where she came from, and her apparent loss of memory. She remembers being a child in the alienage but says she doesn’t remember her parents and doesn't care to remember where she was born.

"One day Andruil grew tired of hunting mortal men and beasts. She began stalking The Forgotten Ones, wicked things that thrive in the abyss." and "Mythal spread rumors of a monstrous creature and took the form of a great serpent, waiting for Andruil at the base of a mountain."
 
I think The Forgotten Ones may be dragons or like Flemeth take dragon form. The evidence for this is shaky but there is more ancient elven text that suggests the greater gods and their chosen could.
 
"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan’nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar’nan judge him."  For a moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then is fades.
 
If true, it could explain why the game goes to lengths to enforce how much Sera enjoys hunting dragons. From her dialogue when you encounter dragons, to war table notes and this from her codex entry. I took a screenshot of it:

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Yet even a god should not linger there, and each time she entered the Void, Andruil suffered longer and longer periods of madness after returning.
When you take Sera to The Fade and go to the area with the gravestones Sera’s specifically says that she is afraid of The Nothing. Which is strange unless you consider that The Nothing could be another way to describe The Void.
 
What evidence is there that Sera could be a vessel of sorts for Andruil? Andruil made Fen’Harel serve in her bed which doesn’t fit all too well with Sera’s preferences. I believe someone mentioned this earlier. And there's this quote by Cole:

"Fleet-footed and free, the arrow that caught the miller's sack, but no longer shot alone, a quiver in a quiver."
 
I think the quiver in a quiver part may be significant. If Andruil is empty of most of her significant memories, as is Sera. But the arrow is Andruil's purpose. Stuck in the sack it can't tear a hole that opens the floodgates. Meaning perhaps that she isn't serving her purpose.
 
"She shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold. Andruil, blood and force, save us from the time this weapon is thrown. Your people pray to You. Spare us the moment we become Your sacrifice" There is a brief image of an elaborate golden spear, glowing with unbearable heat. Then it fades.
 
Cole also says the following, which I think ties into her purpose.

"She hurts, but helping hurts more. She sees the strings that pull me, eyes like raisins in a stale cookie."

Also how would Sera see the strings that pull Cole? I don't think she is hiding being a mage. But I think the part of Sera that may be Andruil is capable of it.

There is more I'm forgetting, but I am sure this is already a mighty wall of text so I'll end it here.

[Ispan]

After Banxey shared her idea with me a while ago I realized why the shape of the vallaslin that almost undoubtedly belongs to Andruil stood out to me.  (For the most part we're unsure which vallaslin belongs to which elven 'god,' but Andruil's is obvious considering it includes a bow and arrow.)  Flip the vallaslin upside down and you get the layout of Sera's second tarot card.  Her bow, arrow, head, shoulder and chest armor, legs, gap between thighs, and even the shape of her hair and pointed finger are all represented. 

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On top of that, that tarot card ties into text found in Mythal's temple that is translated if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well of Sorrows.  Whole stars appear at the top of the card and streaks of light clearly center on a glowing arrow with a pale golden shaft.

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The stars, grains of light, glowing spear (a projectile, just like an arrow), and Andruil's vallaslin are so clearly depicted in Sera's very deliberate pose on her tarot card that it's hard to believe this was anything but intentional.

[TheodoricFriede]

Oh man... I'm really starting to like this idea, and its probably not true.

 

Thats a hell of a lot of coincidences though.