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[AutumnWitch]

Looked into some more stuff concerning the image below. Most people have agreed now this image is a play on Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper. If we look where Sera is she is in Matthew's spot. This is highly significant for the following reasons.

 

1. Matthew was one of Jesus' fist and earliest disciples & Sera/Andruil is one of the first companions in DAI.

 

2. Matthew was originally sort of a bad guy and was considered a sinner against his own people. Indeed when Jesus met with him the first time he said, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." And again Andruil is also considered a sinner against her own people as she hunted them.

 

If my OP holds that Sera/Andruil has come to the Inquisition on ulterior motives this could play to the theory that Anduil has come back into fold to possibly repent for her own past deeds against her own people and/or to prevent the high Elves "big people" from causing more damage to the world. I find this interesting because nowhere in DAI do we hear Sera brag about crimes against modern Elves. She is seemingly only going after humans. Is this because of latent guilt about her past deeds as Andruil against her own people? She talks bad about Elves but not one instance of causing them grief.

 

More to consider.

 

 

 

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[Wolfen09]

interesting thoughts, hopefully gaider isnt lurking in the shadows on this one... would really be disappointed if "the squirrel that got into the house when you left the front door open" sera turns out to be a god

[inventorMari]

I don't have much to add to this theory, but I would like to say it may provide a reason for her inexplicable proficiency with a bow, despite never having training.

 

EDIT: Bah, what I meant to post about too was: Sera's pose on her second tarot card is almost exactly the same as Andruil's pose in her mosaic, but with the bow being behind her.

 

[Vexille]

Sera is also a secret Targaryen!!!! (this reads like a thread from asoiaf.org)

 

 

seriously, ill be pissed if everyone and their brother is a super secret old elven god

[Tayah]

You know what's sad about this thread for me, I never read the books so from the game codex entries I so thought Andruil and Ghilan'nain had something going on especially as Ghilan'nain is referred to as Andruil's beloved... sigh. Of course until this thread Andruil was a much more positive goddess as well.

[KaiserShep]

I like the idea of her possibly having latent magical ability, but not being anything more than that. It would make sense to suppress such a thing so that she could be free without fear of Templars and angry townsfolk ready to lynch an apostate. But anyway, I'd rather keep the secret elven gods to a minimum, preferably just Solas.

[Helios969]

 

After Banxey shared her idea with me a while ago I realized why the shape of the vallaslin that almost undoubtedly belongs to Andruil stood out to me.  (For the most part we're unsure which vallaslin belongs to which elven 'god,' but Andruil's is obvious considering it includes a bow and arrow.)  Flip the vallaslin upside down and you get the layout of Sera's second tarot card.  Her bow, arrow, head, shoulder and chest armor, legs, gap between thighs, and even the shape of her hair and pointed finger are all represented. 

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On top of that, that tarot card ties into text found in Mythal's temple that is translated if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well of Sorrows.  Whole stars appear at the top of the card and streaks of light clearly center on a glowing arrow with a pale golden shaft.

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The stars, grains of light, glowing spear (a projectile, just like an arrow), and Andruil's vallaslin are so clearly depicted in Sera's very deliberate pose on her tarot card that it's hard to believe this was anything but intentional.

 

I have to admit I was a bit skeptical when I first encountered this thread.  I did a Sera romance first playthrough and it is really obvious there is much more to her than she is letting on (or is even aware.)  But some of the evidence being put forth is pretty compelling.  It may end up going the way of IDT but if it holds up talk about irony.  Sera who despises all things "elfiness" being one of the members of the elven pantheon would just be hilarious.

[Bhaal]

Also why she is even with Inquisition? I never got a real answer from her maybe something calls for her and she subconsciously drawn to.

[Kinsz]

Interesting but i think you reading way too much into this, Sera is exactly who she says she is , in her mind at least, she seems pretty honest about herself in her " cookies" cutscene with the inquisitor.

[SomberXIII]

Interesting theories. Mind blown.

[AutumnWitch]

You know what just came to me.....I was reading Sandal's prophecy and I have a theory on something.

 

"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

 

If we assume that the "skies will open" refers to the breach and "he rises" refers to Solas waking from his sleep then "everyone will see" could be a veiled reference to the Elven gods waking as well. "Everyone will be just like they were" could be refer to the "freeing" of the Elven gods (esp when you take in the magic reference) and if this is so its possible ALL the Elven gods are walking and awake in Thedas again. If Andruil has been sleeping this whole time as was awoke by the breach, she would also be in a weakened state as Solas was when he woke. If this is so, this might be another reason for Sera (Andruil)  reacting so defensivly to Solas asking her if she has magic. She might be very embarrassed that it as not fully returned to her yet or she may not want anyone to know until she recovers her full powers. 

 

More to think about.

[AutumnWitch]

Interesting but i think you reading way too much into this, Sera is exactly who she says she is , in her mind at least, she seems pretty honest about herself in her " cookies" cutscene with the inquisitor.

 

I have a whole crazy theory about that scene and it supports my theory but I don't want to add it quite yet.

[AutumnWitch]

I don't have much to add to this theory, but I would like to say it may provide a reason for her inexplicable proficiency with a bow, despite never having training.

 

EDIT: Bah, what I meant to post about too was: Sera's pose on her second tarot card is almost exactly the same as Andruil's pose in her mosaic, but with the bow being behind her.

 

 

Fantastic catch!

[Addai]

I read about this theory on tumblr and while there are interesting aspects, there's one big problem. Flemeth says that possession can't happen to the unwilling and Sera sure sounds like an unwilling vessel. I suppose she could have unknowingly made a bargain, thinking she was talking to Andraste or something.

[Andromelek]

this theory sounds cool but in the myths Andruil appear to be stronger and restless than the others (enough to try to stalk the Forgotten Ones) but not so smart, which allows Mythal and Fen'Harel defeat her(literally Andruil sounds like "I'll crush you! I'll crush you!") a spirit with such power should let a mark. If Sera is Andruil and is unaware of her nature, she shouldn't be able to hide her magic and if she is aware she couldn't lie so well or so long like Solas. I think that she is just gifted.

[Duelist]

I like Sera, still don't think she's a goddess though even if her ability to curb stomp dragons and bosses is godly.

[kukumburr]

This is an interesting theory, but I'm not sure I buy it if only because it seems kind of silly to have two secret elf gods hanging out with us. However, even on my first playthrough I thought some of the things related to Sera were kind of odd. I thought maybe she was a mage in denial or something. Her not learning how to use a bow stood out to me, mainly because when you push her about it she kind of seemed unsettled about it herself. There's some banter between her and Cole and her and Solas that stood out to me, too.

 

Comments from Cole:

Sera: What? What is it?

Cole: The sky wants to say something. It's trying, tempting, words in the wind, whistling, wandering... wasted.

 

Cole: There are songs in every part of you, Sera. Soft, silly, sibilants sighing in silence, waiting for you to hear them.

 

Cole: I like how you see where the arrow will land without being there. It's falling and flying, free in flight all the same, like looking through the fade.

 

They might be nothing, but I think it's interesting Cole keeps bringing up Sera not hearing things. And then the connection he draws between her aiming and looking through the fade.

 

Comments from Solas:

Solas: What color is the sky, Sera?

Sera: Hang on...

Solas: It is an earnest question. What color is the sky when you look at it?

Sera: You know, blue mostly. Except for the breachy bits.

Solas: And when you look past the breach? As perhaps you were drawn to do?

Sera: Greenish? Then clear a long ways... and kind of felt like falling... Ugh! Makes my head hurt. You make my head hurt.

Solas: We are not so far apart, you and I.

Sera: We will be.

 

This might just be an elfy thing, but it seemed weird to me. Then there are two more banters, one with Cole and one with Solas, that seem to be about the same thing. Sera apparently has some weird deja vu thing going on.

 

Sera: Have we been here? I mean right here, doing exactly this? It feels weird.

Cole: Yes, but not how you mean. In the soft, thin places spirits push with memories that didn't happen... or did, or might.

 

Sera: Ugh. Weird.

Solas: Sera, what are you feeling?

Sera: Ugh, here we go. It's nothing, it just feels like I've seen this. Exactly this. It happens.

Solas: Not to everyone.

Sera: It's not an elf thing. Inquisitor's not shaking. I suppose now you'll switch to how I'm the same but different?

Solas: You are different. You are the furthest from what you were meant to be.

Sera: Well, I've definitely heard ****** like this before. Hmph.

[The Ascendant]

That would be awesome, if we discover that Sera is the amnesiac incarnation of Andruil. That would bring it to three the number of the Creators shown. Unlikely but awesome.

[WildOrchid]

Comments from Cole:

Sera: What? What is it?

Cole: The sky wants to say something. It's trying, tempting, words in the wind, whistling, wandering... wasted.

 

Cole: There are songs in every part of you, Sera. Soft, silly, sibilants sighing in silence, waiting for you to hear them.

 

Cole: I like how you see where the arrow will land without being there. It's falling and flying, free in flight all the same, like looking through the fade.

 

They might be nothing, but I think it's interesting Cole keeps bringing up Sera not hearing things. And then the connection he draws between her aiming and looking through the fade.

 

Sera: Have we been here? I mean right here, doing exactly this? It feels weird.

Cole: Yes, but not how you mean. In the soft, thin places spirits push with memories that didn't happen... or did, or might.

 

Honestly, for some reason i like what Cole says about Sera even if I personally don't exactly get what he means.

 

And all those deja vu and such she gets? Weird.

[Zana]

Woo, first DA Arcane Archer confirmed!  Practically everything Cole says points to her being a mage.  I would guess Sera is not just a latent mage, but a latent dreamer.  She can probably commune with spirits and/or command them (to a very limited extent) without conscious thought (don't need to be an elven deity to do so, just a mage), which would produce premonitions, magic-assisted archery and ability to look into fade through the Breach.  It would also explain 'we are not that far apart after all' quote by Solas.

 

While the similarities between Sera's tarot card and Andruil's markings are pretty awesome, I am not quite convinced they have to be related.  Besides necessity of willing host I'd expect that Solas would be able to spot one of his kindred, even if its a partial possession.

[ThreeF]

Sera is the Fool, DAI could be the prelude to Fool's Journey

[Hair Serious Business]

...and then Inquisitor discovered that she just has banged another elven God!

[Lady Luminous]

The elf mage in Iron Bull's company is not an archer, it is supposed to be a joke that she pretends to be an archer but is blatantly a mage. I am pretty sure during Iron Bull's personal quest she has a staff too.  She is supposed to be hiding that she is a mage though so she jokingly "lies" about it.

 

Yes, no one seems to understand that she's reminding the Chargers of her cover story.

[KaiserShep]

...and then Inquisitor discovered that she just has banged another elven God!

"What is it with elves and being gods??"