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Bring back the Warden (in DLC) as a protagonist - Should be the easiest decision in Bioware history!


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Let the Warden retire in peace already.

 

Can't do that. BW inadvertently brought them out of retirement with DA2's stinger ending. Now they have to re-retire them properly and they've taken steps towards it. Whether it's on or off screen is still up in the air, but retirement is firmly out of our hands.


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Not rly they just explained why warden vanished pretty much something many people demanded.

 

And they did so by....continuing the story.  A story people want to see.

 

I swear the world would feel incomplete if BSN stops spanning 'bring back the warden' threads every week.
Cant you people move on?
Im already developing an allergy to the word 'warden'.

 

Feel free to not take part in such threads.



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And they did so by....continuing the story.  A story people want to see.

 

Their story always continue if they are alive same for every other character doesn't mean we will see their story.

 

Pretty much peoples want to see warden story since witch hunt and would want do that even if bioware created dragon age 4 with the warden as protagonist.

 

As i said it was more pretty much promised explanation from bioware.



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And they did so by....continuing the story. A story people want to see.


Feel free to not take part in such threads.

Nah, they keep spanning all the time so I cant force myself not to look, its too tempting to read wild theories. :D Besides Im allowed to voice my opinion as much as you are allowed to voice yours. ;)

I love my Warden as much as anyone, but asking to bring them back is silly. It is never going to work how people want their wardens to work. There are too many things that changed with new installments - classes and voice being some of them. So no matter what Bio does with the warden these forums will over-flood with hate and bile in a much greater capacity than what DA2 and Inquisition got combined. So yeah, for the writer's own sanity and peace of mind i hope they will not dare to bring the warden back.

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Their story always continue if they are alive same for every other character doesn't mean we will see their story.

 

No?  Why not?  Because you said so?  Because Bioware said so?  Bioware said the Warden's story was finished and we just established that to be false.  So tell me, what's keeping this from becoming a reality other than stubbornness?



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Interesting DLC, spending two hours contemplating the Warden's grave in Redcliffe.  You could have gripping quests like 'Leave Flowers' or 'Deface Monument'.


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No?  Why not?  Because you said so?  Because Bioware said so?  Bioware said the Warden's story was finished and we just established that to be false.  So tell me, what's keeping this from becoming a reality other than stubbornness?

When it is established that to be false? As i said every character that is alive life continues and thus they have story we just don't need to see that.Bioware pretty much said they will explain warden disappearance (they did) but they are pretty much done with them.

 

They were saying that for years...



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*Shakes head* Oh, forum....
If only you used your powers for good, instead of trolling each other

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Sure, why not? Give his story a proper conclusion so we don't have to play what-if for another 3 years.


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Sure, why not? Give his story a proper conclusion so we don't have to play what-if for another 3 years.

 

The other Batman agrees. Let's just get this over with.



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*Shakes head* Oh, forum....
If only you used your powers for good, instead of trolling each other


But Isnt that good enough :D

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Sure, why not? Give his story a proper conclusion so we don't have to play what-if for another 3 years.

 

Yeah. I swear I will never ask for an warden conclusion again if they give me an actual one. I'm just disappointed we will never have an three heroes team up *sigh* that had so much potential...



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I love my Warden as much as anyone, but asking to bring them back is silly. It is never going to work how people want their wardens to work. 

 

 

Why not?

 

There are too many things that changed with new installments - classes and voice being some of them. 

 

Voicing the character is more difficult than not voicing the character.  Hint hint.  Classes are difficult.  So what?  That doesn't mean they can't be overcome.  Add in a series of "Warden" talent trees unique to the character which allows them to pick from a new list of old specialization abilities and allows for new combat options.  These don't need to be particularly balanced, especially if they go a route in which the character must face overwhelming numbers.

 

So no matter what Bio does with the warden these forums will over-flood with hate and bile in a much greater capacity than what DA2 and Inquisition got combined.

 

There will always be hate for something.  And it will only be overwhelming if they handle things poorly - keep in mind that most of the hate for Bioware games from the past half decade or so have been because they've done aspects very poorly.  Why should we the consumer be simply hoping they don't screw up instead of the ones making demands for what we want?  Since when is that a thing?  Besides which, they're going to get plenty of hate if they do nothing with the character.  As you say, this topic keeps on popping back up over and again.  Want that to end, give the character closure.



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The other Batman agrees. Let's just get this over with.

 

Nice. 2 Batmen agree. That's as many as 2 ones. And that's great.


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When it is established that to be false? As i said every character that is alive life continues and thus they have story

 

Sorry, guy, can't have it both ways.



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Sorry, guy, can't have it both ways.

No? Pretty much as i said it is very common ending for blank rpg protagonists their (after games about them end) life continues doing their things so they have story we just don't see that.



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No? Pretty much as i said it is very common ending for blank rpg protagonists their (after games about them ends) life continues doing their things so they have story we just don't see that.

Let's put aside the fact that this is completely beside the point.

 

Give me some examples.



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Let's put aside the fact that this is completely beside the point.

 

Give me some examples.

Not rly beside the point given that pretty much this is what we are talking about.

 

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@b09boy
Im not going to go in a long discussion about why they shouldn't bring warden back because i think its quite clear as it is. Every single thing you are saying is denying the obvious.
They are not going to make a silent protagonist because they have already chosen their direction and it is called 'voiced protagonist'. And they are not going to create new skill trees just for a redundant character from a five year old game because they have budget limit and they want to spend the money on something else - like new adventures with a new protagonist.
You can deny it as much as you want but the reasons are plenty, you just choose to ignore them.

And the fact that topics come up? Well people are people, they can whine and complain as much as they want, but thankfully Bioware does and will continue doing what they want and tell a story that they want to tell. To be honest i wish they just kill off the warden so people would let him/her go. I will be sad of course, but its better than bringing up the topic countless times and hoping it will get fixed.

Edit: just re-read my post and it sounds very condescending. Didnt mean it that way. Its late and i guess im tired.
I understand the desire to have the warden back, i honestly do. But the further we move from DAO the lower the possibility of that ever happening becomes, at least in my opinion.
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I truly want the warden to return as PC but im slightly conflicted on how.

To conclude the story in a dlc or.....

Save the warden for a final game in DA franchise, using same kind of story but defeating the blight once and for all, same presentation and characters. The game that started it all will conclude it.

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@b09boy
Im not going to go in a long discussion about why they shouldn't bring warden back because i think its quite clear as it is. Every single thing you are saying is denying the obvious.
They are not going to make a silent protagonist because they have already chosen their direction and it is called 'voiced protagonist'. And they are not going to create new skill trees just for a redundant character from a five year old game because they have budget limit and they want to spend the money on something else - like new adventures with a new protagonist.
You can deny it as much as you want but the reasons are plenty, you just choose to ignore them.

And the fact that topics come up? Well people are people, they can whine and complain as much as they want, but thankfully Bioware does and will continue doing what they want and tell a story that they want to tell. To be honest i wish they just kill off the warden so people would let him/her go. I will be sad of course, but its better than bringing up the topic countless times and hoping it will get fixed.

 

I'm curious if you'll humor me for the sake of argument for a moment; let's say, hypothetically, Bioware did make the proposed DLC this thread is asking for with the Warden as a protagonist. If they did that - if - would you accept that was what they wanted to do and the story they wanted to tell, or would you denounce it as Bioware caving to the fans?

 

Honestly, I don't believe this thread has the power to influence Bioware's decision. I personally think Bioware does still have a story to tell with the Warden. I could well be wrong. And honestly I won't be bothered if they don't make the DLC. But if they do, I'll pay money for it. 


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I'm still surprised people want the three heroes to unite so badly. It would be so corny and cliche. Worse than the Expendables.



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I'm still surprised people want the three heroes to unite so badly. It would be so corny and cliche. Worse than the Expendables.

 

That's exactly why they want it to happen.


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I'm curious if you'll humor me for the sake of argument for a moment; let's say, hypothetically, Bioware did make the proposed DLC this thread is asking for with the Warden as a protagonist. If they did that - if - would you accept that was what they wanted to do and the story they wanted to tell, or would you denounce it as Bioware caving to the fans?

Honestly, I don't believe this thread has the power to influence Bioware's decision. I personally think Bioware does still have a story to tell with the Warden. I could well be wrong. And honestly I won't be bothered if they don't make the DLC. But if they do, I'll pay money for it.


No, of course I will not consider it caving to the fans. I will think of it as: they thought about a good story to tell, thought about bringing back the warden and managed to fit the warden into the current state of things. I will always think of it as their own decision which fits their narrative.

Im in no way against bringing the warden back. Im simply thinking that it is impossible in a current state and will be much more trouble than it is worth. Of course Bioware may surprise me and create an excellent DLC featuring the warden, and i would gladly pay for it if that ever happened.