I cannot assume what @TheKomandorShepard said is truly a benefit because of the variables. Like with the car belt. How do you know that the belt is not defective? how do you know that a car will not hit you as speeds that will kill you with or without it? too many variables make certain choices not so clear cut.
I have to assume you're smoking right now at this point. What if your entire car is defective? Lol, lets just ride a bike, because you never know if that car will explode or not.
I have to assume you're smoking right now at this point. What if your entire car is defective? Lol, lets just ride a bike, because you never know if that car will explode or not.
If I'm wearing a seatbelt and get hit, I can be hurt. If I'm not and get hit, I can fly out and die. Chances of dying are higher with a seatbelt off... and I don't think you got the point of this original analogy, so I recommend dropping it.
You cannot strip away other reasons for making a decision simply because both have a "worst case scenario". Be a man, make the considerations and decide which to you is less costly.
For me, if my worst case scenario is I sacrifice the chargers and they didn't even stop the whole operation, then I can live with that because we still stopped this one, and I gain an alliance that eventually will keep Denerim from burning. Doesn't matter to me that the decision may backfire.
How do you walk out of your house every day? lol. Assuming you do.
If I'm wearing a seatbelt and get hit, I can be hurt. If I'm not and get hit, I can fly out and die. Chances of dying are higher with a seatbelt off... and I don't think you got the point of this original analogy, so I recommend dropping it.
You cannot strip away other reasons for making a decision simply because both have a "worst case scenario". Be a man, make the considerations and decide which to you is less costly.
For me, if my worst case scenario is I sacrifice the chargers and they didn't even stop the whole operation, then I can live with that because we still stopped this one, and I gain an alliance that eventually will keep Denerim from burning. Doesn't matter to me that the decision may backfire.
How do you walk out of your house every day? lol. Assuming you do.
That last part didn't make much sense to me, but then neither did the beginning. A benefit doesn't stop being beneficial because it may come with repercussions.
This is what is called "preference". And "cost". These are things leaders are supposed to consider. You can indeed make a consideration for what is "best" because that is based on "opinion."
That last part didn't make much sense to me, but then neither did the beginning. A benefit doesn't stop being beneficial because it may come with repercussions.
This is what is called "preference". And "cost". These are things leaders are supposed to consider. You can indeed make a consideration for what is "best" because that is based on "opinion."
But if a repercussion comes from a benefit is it still a benefit? OR is it a cause of a major problem?
I just said:
A benefit doesn't stop being beneficial because it may come with repercussions.
You have to decide if the benefit outweighs the risk. That is up to you. This is why you are a leader. Bull says it himself. You have to be willing to make the tough decisions.
I just said:
You have to decide if the benefit outweighs the risk. That is up to you. This is why you are a leader. Bull says it himself. You have to be willing to make the tough decisions.
And making a decision that is a poor one out of ignorance of all possibilities makes you a poor leader.
Except that's not what you're doing, you're considering the possibilities and deciding which seems less costly to you.
Making a poor decision from ignorance doesn't make you a poor leader. There are times when you can't wait to make a decision after you learn more. And if your answer is to make a decision based on only what you know for sure 100 percent, when what you know is so comically inefficient that it couldn't possibly be substantial enough to decide anything, then that makes you a ****** poor leader, and a coward.
Except that's not what you're doing, you're considering the possibilities and deciding which seems less costly to you.
Making a poor decision from ignorance doesn't make you a poor leader. There are times when you can't wait to make a decision after you learn more. And if your answer is to make a decision based on only what you know for sure 100 percent, when what you know is so comically inefficient that it couldn't possibly be substantial enough to decide anything, then that makes you a ****** poor leader, and a coward.
which means that in this case, there is only one option. Sacrifice the Chargers and make sure the Qunari are possible allies.
Not really. That was the decision I tend to favor, but there's also the possibility that you giving the qunari a hub in white thedas could come with issues later.
But if I save the chargers, I can make an enemy of them now and use their looming threat as a way to justify the continued existence of the Inquisition, if keeping your power is what you want to do as Inquisitor.
There's also those who don't wish to trade a handful of trustworthy men for an army of men you don't trust. It's all preference and how paranoid you are.
Me, I think the Qunari invasion is inevitable, so I don't care about giving them a small hub. May as well use them now to get rid of my venatori issue.
These are all valid considerations.
Not really. That was the decision I tend to favor, but there's also the possibility that you giving the qunari a hub in white thedas could come with issues later.
But if I save the chargers, I can make an enemy of them now and use their looming threat as a way to justify the continued existence of the Inquisition, if keeping your power is what you want to do as Inquisitor.
There's also those who don't wish to trade a handful of trustworthy men for an army of men you don't trust. It's all preference and how paranoid you are.
Me, I think the Qunari invasion is inevitable, so I don't care about giving them a small hub. May as well use them now to get rid of my venatori issue.
These are all valid considerations.
And none of those are consideration I can accept, meaning that it comes down to what is best for the bull alone.
For you, it comes down to what is best for Bull. That is apparently what is important for you. Me? I don't give a **** about what is best for Bull, and my decision has nothing to do with that. Some would say making him Tal Vashoth and keeping the chargers is best for him because he is free of the Qun. What is best for Bull is subjective.
For you, it comes down to what is best for Bull. That is apparently what is important for you. Me? I don't give a **** about what is best for Bull, and my decision has nothing to do with that. Some would say making him Tal Vashoth and keeping the chargers is best for him because he is free of the Qun. What is best for Bull is subjective.
Even then, the choices have considerations that need to be accepted, and I can't accept those.
Well then, that's like, your problem, man. lol
I can't help you if you don't possess the capacity for critical thinking.
Well then, that's like, your problem, man. lol
I can't help you if you don't possess the capacity for critical thinking.
Ok, then. Like I said, your opinion.
Smiling and nodding my way out here.
The loss of the Chargers was tragic, but they were soliders -- they knew what they signed up for, and according to Cole they had no regrets. I am at peace with my decision, and I have full confidence that my Inquisitor has them forever memorialized as the heroes that they were.
Really, the only real downside to upholding the deal with the Qunari that I found is that Bull will eventually leave the Inquisition (whereas if you save the Chargers he'll stay forever).
It does seem to be an issue where you're choosing between Iron Bull and the Qunari alliance. There are a plethora of reasons to chose the Chargers if you care about Bull, and have become close with his surrogate family - the Chargers. Supporting the alliance leads the Qunari to reconsider their stances on non-Qunari groups and alliances in general, if the Inquisition demonstrates itself as a valuable ally. Tallis mentions that the Qunari consider making the Inquisition Basalit-an, which seems to be rather unique and unprecedented in their history. If I recall correctly, the Qunari even contemplate recruiting the Inquisitor for the Ben-Hassrath. There's also the issue of saving Denerim (and the ruler of Ferelden) from a Venatori attack.
I chose the Qun once just to read the War Table Missions. All other playthroughs I side with the Chargers. Obviously, it doesn't affect anything (other than flavor), still...
Ostensibly, having the Qun trumps having a single unit, however good. However, I simply don't trust the Qun. Moreover, unless they were promising soldiers for the final push, I don't know that I'd be comfortable "sharing info and resources" with them. Moreover, non-Qun Iron Bull is going to be more devoted to your character, and therefore somewhat more trustworthy, IMO.
I can just head canon that my Inquisitor was badass enough to please both sides, but Iron Bull romancers should never side against the Chargers.
As said earlier (I think) if you really didn't trust the Qun, then the logical thing to do would have been to decline the quest in the first place. If you've decided to do it, then pulling out when the Chargers are in danger is kinda wishy-washy.
But the reason I really wanted to post was to point out the silliness in the dialogue leading up to the quest. Bull says that the Qunari don't want to tip off the smugglers, hence they're not sending an army. No, just a big friggin' battleship.
Good point about avoiding the quest altogether...but then I wouldn't get the XP 
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