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[ForgottenWarrior]

Never tought that fictional romances in a videogame could be so important for someone.

[Shari'El]

I worry about any resolution they might attempt with Solas.  It's something that, I think, is going to ride the line between perfec tragic romance and total cheese.  I mean... I can't envision how that conversation goes where he tells you the truth.  Would anyone believe him?    Which is why I'm glad he never tried to explain himself in the game.   I would hope that, if he does tell the truth, the PC has enough time to actually digest the infor before making a choice on how to feel about it.

 

I trust BioWare writer. I can, myself, envision how it would go (hint: it's a lot easier if the Inquisitor puts the pieces together by themselves ).

[Efvie]

I really, really don't want option A.  One of the main reasons I like Bioware characters (and Obsidian characters) are they're distinct individuals that have their own core beliefs or goals that they won't compromise.  Morrigan, Anders, Solas wouldn't be who they are if I could choose three dialog options in the course of the game and have them dump their end goals by the end of that particular installment.

 

Too narrow an interpretation, I think. The character doesn’t need to change. Circumstances can.

[Shari'El]

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But since you brought it up, why wouldn't this conversation be open to men who enjoy playing female protagonists? If there are men who prefer to experience the story as a female protagonist, why should they be excluded from the conversation?  I know they're out there cause some have posted.  Men can play games with female protagonists and relate to them just as well as women can relate to male protagonists.  There's no sick ulterior motive there.

 

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I still don't get the issue with Blackwall, though.  But I didn't have trouble forgiving him on the basis of the better man he's trying to become.  Though I haven't done the romance yet, I would be honored if my romantic relationship with him was as inspirational as my friendship with him was in encouraging him to face his demons and do the right thing.  That's just personal prefrence, though.  I can see where a lot of other people would feel very betrayed by him to the point of not wanting to continue a relationship. 

 

- Because the title of this thread is "please make fewer heartbreak romances for women", and most of the people chiming in with of their opinions about females LIs are doing this out of spite/compete with the others here.

 

- That's how you experienced it, and as you said - you didn't do the romance. Blackball beds the Inquisitor and leaves her naked, in a barn, for all to see, and disappears entirely. It's not like the note he leaves when you are his friend. He doesn't even say his goodbyes.

Plus, bedding a woman and leaving her immediately afterwards under some sick notion of "she'll give up on finding me"/"she'll find me after I'm dead"/whatever-screwed-up-thing-he-thinks is a horrible horrible thing to do for someone you love.

Furthermore, I personally felt that I can't forgive him, that's my opinion of his crime (crime committed out of pure greed). I'm not the only one who feels this way.

If you can see why people feel betrayed then why doubt their feelings? :/

[Wereupine]

I am ok with the drama personally, if there is a choice. Bioware games are centered on choice. When i say i want a happy ending, i don't mean riding off into the sunset on a unicorn. By all means make us work for a good ending but having a bad outcome decided for you? Nope. Still holding out for dlc.

[wildannie]

 

No it doesn't have to. But it can. And I think sometimes it should.

If I understood correctly, someone did say their preference was that romances can have drama, but they should always have the option for a happy ending. I understand the idea that if there were a choice between the two, then supposedly people who wanted a happy ending could get it and people who want a tragic one could get it, but I think that there is value in having parts of the story that you don't have control over.

 

I personally think that the romances is not the best area to take away control, these are not usually plot important story elements so providing the possibility for more than one outcome is preferable to me and need not be resource heavy.  I do appreciate that we can't have control over everything.

 

I asked because you said "Honestly I'd been happy as a pig in **** as the saying goes if my drama romances were like Cass", but Cullen's romance (for example) *is* like Cass. You do have that option; you just don't have that option with everyone.

The problem with this is that not everyone is going to be interested in playing every romance.  I do hope at some point to roll a character for Cullen (although motivation to do this is currently low), but I will never roll characters for Blackwall or Iron Bull, because they are hugely unappealing to me.   So while your point makes sense, in practice it doesn't really work as people find different characters appealing and want a positive ending to be possible with their preferred LIs, not one they have no care for.

 

I favour playing elven female characters and I never pair them with humans so Solas is the only option and it will be a problem for me if we don't, in the end, get more than one outcome to the romance.  I don't want my canon character to have an inevitable tragic outcome in their love life.  I'd be very happy to get the option of Morrigan/Warden level of happiness.  

 

Please note that I do absolutely love Solas' romance up to now, but if it does not get quality resolution that involves choices or recognises previous decisions, that will ruin it for me and put a pretty big dampener on the series going forward.  

 

I realise that you could say that this is essentially 'my problem' and not the games, but this is how I feel, and I know I'm not entirely alone.

 

 

I think it's an odd stance, is all, that unavoidable tragedies are fine so long as they can also happen to someone else.

I personally don't really think they are fine but I know that is not the popular view.  I see the option of 'happy' (and I do use this term loosely) endings for all romances as a safety net for the players who really do not enjoy forced tragedy.  We like the characters we like and I would prefer to not be punished for my preferences.

 

I think I'm so antsy about this because I was a Thane fan who felt terribly let down by ME3.

[Stinkface27]

I think one of the main reasons why I settled (don't hate me) for Cullen is that I can't actually deal with any more heartbreak in these games. I know, I'm a coward. I've got a Solas playthrough but honestly I just wanted a simple(ish) loving relationship for my poor canon Inqusitor - she deserves it. Cullen is a great option if you just want that lovin' without a bad case of the painful feels - but he seems to be the exception!

[AWTEW]

I support this.

[Farangbaa]

This thread gets my white heterosexual male seal of approval.

 

Fully agree with OP.

 

But maybe Bioware is trying to get the point that across that we, penis wielding humans, are all bastards.

[Roxy]

I am ok with the drama personally, if there is a choice. Bioware games are centered on choice. When i say i want a happy ending, i don't mean riding off into the sunset on a unicorn. By all means make us work for a good ending but having a bad outcome decided for you? Nope. Still holding out for dlc.

I agree with this.

Although I agree on mostly what the OP said and I still support her I'm really not into romances that end tragic and sad. I'm sure I'm not alone on that,I know some like that kind of romance but not everybody does. I have said in my earlier post that I don't mind there being drama in a romance as long as it ends with a happy ending.

Sadly my romance didn't turn out that way. My female inquisitor ended up barefaced and alone on the Balcony at the end. Still praying for a DLC though...

[Aralyne]

Just my 2 pennies, but considering the amount of **** that my character will go through in these games, I'm also of the mind where I just want a nice romance that doesn't involve some tragic ending, or some decision you have to make that doesn't sit well with me (sorry, but uggh... it still squirks me out when I think about having to persuade Alistair to sleep with Morrigan... just to get a decent ending....).

 

That's not to say I'm against a wee bit of tragic-ness or angst, but for me there's got to be either, 1) a good enough reason for it (such Solas' romance - though even with that, closure would be nice), 2) an actual choice or alternative that does not result in the death of your LI or them cheating on your or whatever. Now I know DA is not an otome/dating game, but at this point I almost wish we could have a good/bad ending scenario for all the LIs (male and female ones!), and if you want the tragic and angst factor for RP reasons or just because you love the bittersweet feeling of your LI dying on your/leaving you/cheating on you/etc, you're free to work towards it, otherwise you can work towards the "good" end, but the outcome is a nice one. But that's wishful thinking on my part I'm sure, not to mention what I consider "nice" won't be the same as other people's "nice", so yeaaaaah......

[Kulyok]

Nah. You could take away Blackwall, Iron Bull, Cullen and all fluffy DAO and DA2 romances(and ME ones. Except for Garrus. There's no Shepard without Vakarian), and I'd still die happy. But touch my Anders and Solas, however tragic they might be(Anders? Tragic?) and there'd be a very pointed "Grrrr..." from under the table.

[9TailsFox]

Nah. You could take away Blackwall, Iron Bull, Cullen and all fluffy DAO and DA2 romances(and ME ones. Except for Garrus. There's no Shepard without Vakarian), and I'd still die happy. But touch my Anders and Solas, however tragic they might be(Anders? Tragic?) and there'd be a very pointed "Grrrr..." from under the table.

For me from story perfective Anders romance is best and happy.

[Kulyok]

Btw, Iron Bull: while he doesn't exactly cheat on you, he sleeps around in Haven(ambient dialogue with sisters near the Chantry), even though he's available for flirting and making eyes at him and whatnot. I know, in some cultures it's considered acceptable unless two people had a talk about being exclusive. Still: for me, not classy.

(Hilarious conversation, though!)

 

Btw, while Cullen is an paragon of fluffiness right now, I wouldn't be surprised if the developers decided to make him crash and go back to his lyrium addition in DA4. Or make a choice between saving Cullen and Cassandra in a plot quest. Just saying. They ARE evil, after all.

[Thiefy]

Btw, while Cullen is an paragon of fluffiness right now, I wouldn't be surprised if the developers decided to make him crash and go back to his lyrium addition in DA4. Or make a choice between saving Cullen and Cassandra in a plot quest. Just saying. They ARE evil, after all.

Bye Cassandra.

[HTTP 404]

At least the female hetero-romances don't develop into metaphysical prostitution!

 

Honestly, you want a happy ending with the woman who ran off carrying your child? You have to pay for it.

 

Want to rekindle that awesome romance with Dr T'Soni?

 

Yup, you need to pay for it.

 

Wanna make it up with Ashley?

 

You have to buy the sequel! 

 

 

there's also a whole DLC for one and a whole game that comes with the other!  pretty good deal to me.

[HTTP 404]

If it's odd to be tired of being the one getting melodrama then I'm glad to be odd.

 

As for Blackwall he doesn't really have the strength of personality for me to put up with him. He's uptight and self righteous...but his background really suggests he should be the last one to be such and it's an incredible turn off. I could deal with the crime but his personality really doesn't make up for it.

 

are you serious?  he's pretty laid back.  Take him with you some times, he is pretty down to earth.  He jokes around with Sera a lot.  I think you are judging a book by it's cover on this.

[Moirnelithe]

I did bring Blackwall with me a lot on my first playthrough. And luckily I didn't romance him, really glad about that. He killed for the basest of motivations, money. Sure he regrets it (not too fond of redemption LI's though) and I can be his friend but romance him? Never. Especially not after hearing he leaves right after sex and leaves you in a compromising position at that. After hearing that he stays in the stables and I don't even bother talking to him any more in my current playthrough.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

And that is why Jacob always is one going in vent on suicide mission...yes I know how to avoid my squad from getting killed,I know how to have them all alive but it's more sweet if just Jacob goes in vent and drops dead         

[whitless256]

- Because the title of this thread is "please make fewer heartbreak romances for women", and most of the people chiming in with of their opinions about females LIs are doing this out of spite/compete with the others here.

 

- That's how you experienced it, and as you said - you didn't do the romance. Blackball beds the Inquisitor and leaves her naked, in a barn, for all to see, and disappears entirely. It's not like the note he leaves when you are his friend. He doesn't even say his goodbyes.

Plus, bedding a woman and leaving her immediately afterwards under some sick notion of "she'll give up on finding me"/"she'll find me after I'm dead"/whatever-screwed-up-thing-he-thinks is a horrible horrible thing to do for someone you love.

Furthermore, I personally felt that I can't forgive him, that's my opinion of his crime (crime committed out of pure greed). I'm not the only one who feels this way.

If you can see why people feel betrayed then why doubt their feelings? :/

 

1)  But the discussion is about female protagonists and quite a few men play those characters.  And I don't think anyone is chiming in out of spite.  People are just expressing their opinion.  I'm sorry if you feel like we're attacking you're feelings just to be jerks.  I know that's not my motivation. 

 

2)  I'm sorry if I've given the impression that I'm doubting feelings because I'm not.  I'm a person that is very empathetic to my character's feelings so I understand others who are as well.  But like I've said, I'm just trying to understand why so many people seem to consider Blackwell's actions unforgivable.  I agree that bedding a woman and then leaving is an awful thing to do, and I'm not questioning that.  My question was why is Blackwall doing it a "tragic romance" when other characters walk out on the PC immediately after sex, but those are NOT considered tragic.  For example Fenris has sex with Hawke then leaves him/her for three years because he's so overwhelmed with the feels.  But I don't see anyone calling Fenris horrible.  Morrigan also leaves immediately after sex with her love interest and on the eve of battle, no less.  And she's gone for two years.  But her romance is called a happy ending.  Why is only Blackwall an unforgivable jerk for leaving the PC alone in bed?    I'm not saying he's not, I'm just curious as to why it's worse when he does it.

 

And to be fair, the Inquisitor seems fine with having sex in a barn with no doors that guards/random NPCs wander into all day long.  So her being in a barn where everyone can see is her own doing.  Though I really don't get that... you have a bedroom, Inquisitor!  Why are you not up there!  Who the heck wants to have sex on a haystack??

 

I'm also curious as to why so many people feel his crime is unforgivable whereas other characters commit crimes as well, but are considered okay.  If I'm reading your response correctly, for you it's the fact that he was paid to kill a man that bothers you.  What about other folks?  Is it the money that bothers everyone?  If so, why is Zevran considered a happy ending romance when he's paid to kill lots and lots of people?  As was Leliana as a bard.  Are they different or is any LI being a paid killer a deal breaker for a lot of people?   Personally, Zevran is one of my favorite Dragon Age romances.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Btw, Iron Bull: while he doesn't exactly cheat on you, he sleeps around in Haven(ambient dialogue with sisters near the Chantry), even though he's available for flirting and making eyes at him and whatnot. I know, in some cultures it's considered acceptable unless two people had a talk about being exclusive. Still: for me, not classy.

(Hilarious conversation, though!)

So your point is that I cheated on my boyfriend because we did knew each other long time ago but I was with other people at time before I even started to date him,but it's considered cheating because he always had thing for me and wanted to date me long ago but I never saw him that way until much later?

Just confused with this type of "cheating" in here that is all.

[Thiefy]

So your point is that I cheated on my boyfriend because we did knew each other long time ago but I was with other people at time before I even started to date him,but it's considered cheating because he always had thing for me and wanted to date me long ago but I never saw him that way until much later?

Just confused with this type of "cheating" in here that is all.

it's not cheating, it's being promiscuous. it's a deal breaker for some people. 

[whitless256]

Wait a minute...   So now Iron Bull is a bad female romance because he's had other sexual partners?   If that's our new criteria that leaves us maybe two LIs left that are acceptable! 

[Moirnelithe]

1)  But the discussion is about female protagonists and quite a few men play those characters.  And I don't think anyone is chiming in out of spite.  People are just expressing their opinion.  I'm sorry if you feel like we're attacking you're feelings just to be jerks.  I know that's not my motivation. 

 

2)  I'm sorry if I've given the impression that I'm doubting feelings because I'm not.  I'm a person that is very empathetic to my character's feelings so I understand others who are as well.  But like I've said, I'm just trying to understand why so many people seem to consider Blackwell's actions unforgivable.  I agree that bedding a woman and then leaving is an awful thing to do, and I'm not questioning that.  My question was why is Blackwall doing it a "tragic romance" when other characters walk out on the PC immediately after sex, but those are NOT considered tragic.  For example Fenris has sex with Hawke then leaves him/her for three years because he's so overwhelmed with the feels.  But I don't see anyone calling Fenris horrible.  Morrigan also leaves immediately after sex with her love interest and on the eve of battle, no less.  And she's gone for two years.  But her romance is called a happy ending.  Why is only Blackwall an unforgivable jerk for leaving the PC alone in bed?    I'm not saying he's not, I'm just curious as to why it's worse when he does it.

 

And to be fair, the Inquisitor seems fine with having sex in a barn with no doors that guards/random NPCs wander into all day long.  So her being in a barn where everyone can see is her own doing.  Though I really don't get that... you have a bedroom, Inquisitor!  Why are you not up there!  Who the heck wants to have sex on a haystack??

 

I'm also curious as to why so many people feel his crime is unforgivable whereas other characters commit crimes as well, but are considered okay.  If I'm reading your response correctly, for you it's the fact that he was paid to kill a man that bothers you.  What about other folks?  Is it the money that bothers everyone?  If so, why is Zevran considered a happy ending romance when he's paid to kill lots and lots of people?  As was Leliana as a bard.  Are they different or is any LI being a paid killer a deal breaker for a lot of people?   Personally, Zevran is one of my favorite Dragon Age romances.

 

Zevran was raised to be an assassin from the age of 7, he had no choice and didn't know any better. And in DA:O I was able to play a more morally dark character, my main was an assassin herself. If crap happened to her, well she deserved it. Not interested in Leliana myself but that's because the Maker thing was a big turnoff and I prefer my LI's to be male so I don't really know.

 

My DA:I character is a lot less dark (not entirely by choice) and as such Blackwall doesn't fit. Regarding Blackwall, he knew better and had choices, he willingly chose to become a traitor for the prospect of money and then willingly sacrificed his men so he wouldn't have to take the fall for it himself. A real coward. That kind of personality is abhorrent to me. It would have been a little better had he not let his men take the fall. You find letters all over the place of his former men having to do horrible things to survive because of him. 

 

Fenris's leaving is because he can't handle his feelings, I find it understandable. He doesn't let others take the fall for him. And it's not because he's a traitorous liar who can't reconcile himself with his conscience anymore after years of deceit.