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[RShara]

Jacob tells fShep that the Normandy is her true love.  She vacuously agrees, and he goes on about the new woman and how they're expecting a baby.

 

This is the same Jacob who tells FShep that he loves her in ME2.

 

Sigh.

[FurryFury]

DAI in general isn't very focused on the PC. Kinda makes me miss DA2 even more. I mean, it's true you're often the therapist in Bioware game, but DA2 had that nice little scene when your LI comforts you after Leandra's death. Not to mention how spectacularly your therapy fails with Anders. I could love his arc just for this reason. I live for trope subversion.

[RShara]

I thought the banter supposedly never repeats? I read that from BioWare in response to complaints about lack of banter, and they are trying to spread it out.  Personally I'd rather hear a couple of comments recycled than the sometimes long stretches of nothing.

In Storm Coast, I got the same conv between Varric and Solas about the Wardens killing Cory in DA2 about 50 times.  It was the ONLY thing they ever said on that map...

[whitless256]

I thought the banter supposedly never repeats? I read that from BioWare in response to complaints about lack of banter, and they are trying to spread it out.  Personally I'd rather hear a couple of comments recycled than the sometimes long stretches of nothing.

 

There are a few bugged banters that will repeat over and over.  On my first playthrough I got so sick of Varric and Solas talking about the Winter Palace I had to send the dwarf back to Skyhold before I punched him.

[Uirebhiril]

DAI in general isn't very focused on the PC. Kinda makes me miss DA2 even more. I mean, it's true you're often the therapist in Bioware game, but DA2 had that nice little scene when your LI comforts you after Leandra's death. Not to mention how spectacularly your therapy fails with Anders. I could love his arc just for this reason. I live for trope subversion.

 

One thing I really loved about All That Remains is that it was a personal quest. You so rarely get those, something where you can call on your companions to help you and have a real and visceral reaction to what is happening. I'd like to see us get personal quests in future games, honestly. Maybe it was just the situation of all players having the set family that made it easy to do, but it was awesome to experience. Especially when you DO get comforted by someone rather than waking up the next day and everyone's all business as usual.

[FurryFury]

It's hard to achieve if you have a wider choice of your origins, though (unless you go the DAO way, which I would have honestly preferred - but I doubt Bioware's going to repeat that). And considering the subject matter of DAI, I would have sorely missed the option to play and elf, for example - it made for a better game for me, even if I tend to prefer playing a human usually.

 

But yeah, DA2 was a personal story, not an epic one. I guess it's one of the multitude of reasons people didn't like it, they just didn't expect something so drastically different from the first game.

[Sah291]

I've heard the banter from Cole on YouTube, but it seemed more about Solas' pain than my Inquisitor's.  It's not a moment of Cole trying to help ease her pain or anything like that.
 
And yeah, I got a comment from Sera, but it was entirely about the vallaslin and nothing about the breakup.  If you ask her what she thinks about Solas, she still makes the "elven glory" comment, even after he dumps you.  Also, Cassandra kept repeating banter to Solas about the vallaslin, in which he tells her he'd rather not talk about it as it was done in a private moment.  Unfortunately, yet again, it's about Solas and not the PC.  I wanted to respond to that banter so badly, especially after I got it for the fifth time!

It seems out of character for Cole not to comment on the Inquisitor very much, the way he does everyone else, but I guess it's roleplay mechanic. He can't know how the player feels about their character, so the writers probably didn't bother. You could react either angry or sad to the breakup, or stoic without much fuss at all.

Anyway, reactivity to this type of thing was actually done pretty well in DA2 I thought. It was a more personal story I guess. I never felt as close to any of the DAI companions as I did with Hawke. Then again Hawke was never in such a powerful position leading an organization either, so being at arms length makes a certain amount of sense. Maybe that's it.

[Elsariel]

I haven't done the Cullen romance story yet, but I do have the impression that it's pretty easy on the drama. It's a shame, lol.

It is quite free of drama. I was personally hoping for a little more angst, some supremely passionate kisses... I mean what we've got is excellent but I wanted more.

I always want more.

[Medusa]

It is quite free of drama. I was personally hoping for a little more angst, some supremely passionate kisses... I mean what we've got is excellent but I wanted more.

I always want more.

 

This is the universal theme for all Bioware Romances. They always leave every player wanting more. XD

[RShara]

I do like that Cullen is one of the few men to initiate a kiss.  In most of the BW games, the female PC has to kiss the male LI first, then they respond.  Cullen pulls the PC to him and kisses her quite thoroughly!

[whitless256]

It is quite free of drama. I was personally hoping for a little more angst, some supremely passionate kisses... I mean what we've got is excellent but I wanted more.

I always want more.

 

Best part of Cullen romance was what Sera had to say about it.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=SuV3DIWz-uU

[Elsariel]

I do like that Cullen is one of the few men to initiate a kiss. In most of the BW games, the female PC has to kiss the male LI first, then they respond. Cullen pulls the PC to him and kisses her quite thoroughly!

I do like that too. It was awesome and unexpected.

[Asakti]

I probably shouldn't comment on this, as I haven't played the romance, but for me the fact that Thane died is fine. You were told from the beginning that was going to happen.

 

HOW that death was handled was a big problem though. The fact that you got 0 content beforehand, no romance achievement, and the fact that no one cares or mentions it is a massive issue. Just because Thane died, doesn't mean they should have got less (virtually none) content or importance for that romance.

 

Players accepted a tragedy by starting that romance, they didn't accept no romance at all.

 

That's my primary issue with Bioware's 'angst romance' thing.  The fact that you have very little romantic content in ME3 with Thane.  Or when romancing Kaidan as a female you don't have an option to argue with him if you moved onto a romance with Garrus (like dude!Shep does with Ashley).  ...I have more issues with the ME romances than DA ones, clearly (don't even get me started on Jacob).

 

Though, while I haven't romanced him, Blackwall seems to be the same - the fact that you can't call him on certain things.  Someone said it before - that the angst is fine (for some), but the inability to role-play/player agency in the scenes is lacking.

[Abyss108]

That's my primary issue with Bioware's 'angst romance' thing.  The fact that you have very little romantic content in ME3 with Thane.  Or when romancing Kaidan as a female you don't have an option to argue with him if you moved onto a romance with Garrus (like dude!Shep does with Ashley).  ...I have more issues with the ME romances than DA ones, clearly (don't even get me started on Jacob).

 

Though, while I haven't romanced him, Blackwall seems to be the same - the fact that you can't call him on certain things.  Someone said it before - that the angst is fine (for some), but the inability to role-play/player agency in the scenes is lacking.

 

Yeah, the romances in ME for women were a lot worse than DA. I really lucked out in getting Garrus, as I would have been majorly upset if I had experienced any of the others on my first playthough... I had no idea you didn't get the same content with Kaiden as you did with Ashley. That's even worse. They couldn't possibly have forgotten about Kaiden if they remembered Ashley. 

 

I had major problems with how the reactions to Blackwall were written and I didn't even play the romance... The way he just lays into you when you get him out of prison and you have no chance to defend yourself. He was a major member of the inquisition, it made much more sense for him to face justice there! But you can't tell him that, or even point out it won't hurt the inquisition because no one else will ever find out. Ugh! 

[RShara]

The thing with Thane dying....is that I don't think he should have died during the game.  And with some of the hints and various other occurances during the games, we really thought we had a good chance of saving him.

[Sylvianus]

While us men have to play "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" between only two equally boring choices.

 

 I agree that we lacked variety, but I loved Cass romance personally.    

 

The final sex scene was very excellent by the way. I hope David Gaider will write again the next female LI, he does seem to know very well how to please straight males like me. First, Morrigan, ( poor Leliana, never tried her ) now Cassandra. 

 

Cassandra : I will not let Corypheus win, I will not let him take you from me !

 

Quizie : -  You haven't the power to preserve me from death !

 

* intense gaze *

 

- Perhaps, but it won't prevent me from trying ! * Furious and passionate kiss and then another round of sex * Very well done, David, very well done. 

_____

 

Otherwise I found indeed the romance of Cullen very sweet, and it is a good thing because of the variety needed. I've watched on youtube, and I liked it. My favourite moments are the cutscenes with the awkward gazes between him and femquizzie, and the first kiss. There, I felt something, I felt the intensity. I must admit that the guy playing Cullen does a good job with his voice..., lol.

[phaonica]

I do like that Cullen is one of the few men to initiate a kiss.  In most of the BW games, the female PC has to kiss the male LI first, then they respond.  Cullen pulls the PC to him and kisses her quite thoroughly!

 

Oh, that sounds great! I managed the Dorian romance story in such a way that he kissed first, too. Sexy, that.

[RShara]

Oh, that sounds great! I managed the Dorian romance story in such a way that he kissed first, too. Sexy, that.

Isn't it?  I like that the women can initiate, but (again the trend) all the time gets tiresome.  Kaidan never started anything, Garrus you couldn't kiss, Thane you had to kiss, Jacob you had to kiss, Alistair, Zev, Fenris.........

[Hattress]

That's my primary issue with Bioware's 'angst romance' thing.  The fact that you have very little romantic content in ME3 with Thane.  Or when romancing Kaidan as a female you don't have an option to argue with him if you moved onto a romance with Garrus (like dude!Shep does with Ashley).  ...I have more issues with the ME romances than DA ones, clearly (don't even get me started on Jacob).

 

Though, while I haven't romanced him, Blackwall seems to be the same - the fact that you can't call him on certain things.  Someone said it before - that the angst is fine (for some), but the inability to role-play/player agency in the scenes is lacking.

Who annoyed me most about ME3 romance is that they certainly didn't invest resource for Femshep (except for Garrus I guess

How they treated Thane and Jacob is like "Nah too busy dealing with M!Shep's lovely ladies, no time for you minority fangirl"

 that's also what I'm afraid I'll get for Solas romance closure 

[Thiefy]

Isn't it?  I like that the women can initiate, but (again the trend) all the time gets tiresome.  Kaidan never started anything, Garrus you couldn't kiss, Thane you had to kiss, Jacob you had to kiss, Alistair, Zev, Fenris.........

Alistair is actually the one to initiate the kiss if I remember correctly. 

[RShara]

Alistair is actually the one to initiate the kiss if I remember correctly. 

I remember my warden moving forward first, but now I have to go watch it to be sure lol.

...except I can't seem to find one with a Dalish elf that isn't modded...

[Battlebloodmage]

If you don't play as a straight male in ME series, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

Asides from that game, I find drama equally distributed between guys and girls. 

[Lady Mutare]

Even if you choose to romance Garrus, you have to deal with the whole "never have biological children" so to some thats also a tragedy.  I do not remember any LI in NWN for females.  Other games like the Witcher are so sexist I have just stopped buying them.  Too much rape in alot of the games, "to move the story along" etc are another thing I see that irks me.   Its a game, I want to play to take a break from reality, i do not want fluffy pink unicorns, but a bit less tragedy would be welcome.  

[Thiefy]

NWN has Aran Gend (I know i'm spelling his name wrong), Valen Shadowbreath and Gann (definitely know I'm going to spell his name wrong so leaving his nickname).

 

I've only completed Valen's romance and I freaking love it. Of course he had the whole dead girlfriend thing but I don't remember it being so defining in so far as his characterization. It was more angst on fighting against his nature which was attributed to his race and hat losing against it resulted in her death or something. It's been a while since I played it.

 

I also kind of figured the no babies thing was a given for Garrus since you are entirely different species and can't eat the same foods...

 

I do think that eventually a female PC should have the option to have a kid since male PCs have had the option twice (both in Origins. One as a dwarven noble, and the other with Morrigan). Kids aren't an option for all stories but it is a viable story to tell at least in some parts.

[mireisen]

Waking up naked in a barn alone.....I was pissed just on principle. Glad I didn't go through that.[/spoiler]

 

When my ex-husband dumped me he pulled this on me: Slept with me and told me he wanted a divorce the morning after.

 

This is definitely not something I want to relive. I'm all for realism but nakedness and being dumped in one move is not something any person should ever experience in their lives. I don't know if the devs want us to feel crappy about ourselves but yeah, as a woman, that's the lowest you can make a woman feel. It was the same crap with the Fenris romance. What is UP with you all? Can't we have someone NORMAL?

 

(And that is why I cherish the Garrus and Cullen romance, minus the turian thing and drug addiction...)

 

Spoiler

I avoid the Blackwall romance to specifically not get angry. I'm over that relationship, happily remarried, but to know that there are people out there that heartless...and I don't want to associate Blackwall that way.