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[Thiefy]

XD

 

Well it was only one of the options. The other I think had you tell him you wanted him too or something and the last was "Noooooo ABORT ABORT." XD

 

Not when it comes to my PC's person I don't :X

Yeah I get that it's not for everyone. It was just different and unexpected so me it was refreshing. IRL I always end up being the initiator with guys I'm interested in and in video games that have romance options you always have the been the instigator so it was definitely something that stood out for me.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I get that it's not for everyone. It was just different and unexpected so me it was refreshing. IRL I always end up being the initiator with guys I'm interested in and in video games that have romance options you always have the been the instigator so it was definitely something that stood out for me.

 

I don't know I don't mind a spontaneous kiss but the panting Anders was doing...you know there was some tongue action. I'm not sure I want that to be a surprise. Least not if the relationship hasn't already been established.

 

But I can get why someone would prefer the opposite.

[Thiefy]

I don't know I don't mind a spontaneous kiss but the panting Anders was doing...you know there was some tongue action. I'm not sure I want that to be a surprise. Least not if the relationship hasn't already been established.

 

But I can get why someone would prefer the opposite.

I think it's the same kiss they use for friendship path. The noises anyway. It always sounded a little funny to me because I thought it sound, idk, wetter? lol To my understanding though the VA was making out with his hand so it's not 100% accurate.   

 

I do agree if there are going to be surprises like that there should be an option to at least push him off or punch (not slap) him after.

[renfrees]

Yeah they did FemHawke dirty right there flirt does not equal LIPLOCK ME NOW. (Or at least have the PC pull them in for the kiss so it's still a horrible mistake but one you brought on yourself).

The funny thing is that I flirted with him only once, right when we got from the Chantry after killing Karl (he wasn't even party member by then). He unloaded a ton of skeevy information and my PC thought it would do good to diffuse the tension in the air with compliment. Now look how it backfired 3 years later, after having put off by his spirit and rivaled him all the way 

[Ryzaki]

I think it's the same kiss they use for friendship path. The noises anyway. It always sounded a little funny to me because I thought it sound, idk, wetter? lol To my understanding though the VA was making out with his hand so it's not 100% accurate. 

 

I do agree if there are going to be surprises like that there should be an option to at least push him off or punch (not slap) him after.

 

Oooh that's hilarious.

 

There really should've been.

 

 

The funny thing is that I flirted with him only once, right after we got from the Chantry after killing Karl (he wasn't even party member by then). He unloaded a ton of skeevy information and my PC thought it would do good to diffuse the tension in the air with compliment. Now look how it backfired 3 years later, after having put off by his spirit and rivaled him all the way 

 

Wow that's incredible. Not sure who thought that was a good idea it should've at least required a heart in the same conversation to trigger.

[RShara]

I like the fact that he can initiate too.  But, not like that and not nearly so soon.  And INTERRUPTINTERRUPTINTERRUPT!  I'd be slamming my right mouse button like a maniac unless I played a character that was planning on romancing him.

[Nefla]

I'm weird but for some reason(probably because I'm baby crazy) when one of the BW love interests breaks my character's heart I always think of a pregnancy scenario as revenge (it always pops into my mind)   :

 

-Jacob cheats on Shepard, knocks up another woman and is all like "I will be the best father ever to this random woman's child" and Shepard turns around and is 8 months pregnant also lol

 

-Alistair dumps an elf warden and she's all "deuces, me and your elf blooded baby are moving to Orlais, good luck with that heir thing btw" 

 

Spoiler

-Solas leaves the inquisitor with no explanation but comes back a few months later in a DLC or something and she's all "I'm sleeping with Cullen now and pregnant with his baby. Thanks for removing those vallaslin btw, now I'm free to join the chantry and leave all elven culture behind!

 

etc...

[Ryzaki]

Nef you scare me.

 

O_o

 

I prefer my revenge stories to just have them fall down a dark pit and never being heard from again while I drive off into the sunset. Less diapers and screaming.

[Thiefy]

idk guys i kinda like stabbing them. (then again i always play rogue) 

 

the baby thing is a bit off putting to me. i don't like the idea of using a kid to get to someone else. it's unhealthy.

 

call me old fashioned.

[mireisen]

 

I had forgotten about this...I am laughing and clapping my hands haha. The voice acting...how can...anyone...LOL

[MelissaGT]

Better than this (if you'd picked flirt option even once and it was before he got recruited):

 

 

HA, this happened to my canon Hawke...then she went and banged Fenris... 

[Abelas Forever!]

If you don't play as a straight male in ME series, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

Asides from that game, I find drama equally distributed between guys and girls. 

I'll disagree with you that the drama is equally distributed between guys and girls. If we forget ME series then there is still all the different outcomes with Alistair romance such as he dumbs you if he becomes a king. Well there are options that you can become his queen if you are human noble or his mistress but then you will have to have high persuading score. He also leaves you if you choose to recruit Loghain and then there is the DR. There hasn't been any occasion in DA series that female LIs would have to do something similar like DR. Anyway I think it's a good thing that there are different outcomes with the romance but if you add something like DR to that I would say that there is quite a lot drama there.

 

There is also the decision in Adamant where you have to decided who will stay behind and my choices were Alistair who was with my warden and Hawke  who was with Fenris. So one of the romances will end there. Of course there is a small change that there will be a DLC where it's possible to save the one who was left behind but I wouldn't count on it and there isn't anything equivalent if you romance a girl in DAO.

 

I have no problem with the drama if there are options. Alistair romance without DR would have been ok and saying without DR I mean that you don't have to do it for you both surviving the last battle. Alistair with DR is acceptable. Thane dying no matter what was ok because I expected it to happen. But I don't want anything similar in near future because my tolerance towards those kind of romances is quite low. Jacob cheating you was awful. Solas dumbing you and coming back would be lovely, but if he comes back and says that you can't be together would be frustrating.

[whitless256]

I'll disagree with you that the drama is equally distributed between guys and girls. If we forget ME series then there is still all the different outcomes with Alistair romance such as he dumbs you if he becomes a king. Well there are options that you can become his queen if you are human noble or his mistress but then you will have to have high persuading score. He also leaves you if you choose to recruit Loghain and then there is the DR. There hasn't been any occasion in DA series that female LIs would have to do something similar like DR. Anyway I think it's a good thing that there are different outcomes with the romance but if you add something like DR to that I would say that there is quite a lot drama there.

 

There is also the decision in Adamant where you have to decided who will stay behind and my choices were Alistair who was with my warden and Hawke  who was with Fenris. So one of the romances will end there. Of course there is a small change that there will be a DLC where it's possible to save the one who was left behind but I wouldn't count on it and there isn't anything equivalent if you romance a girl in DAO.

 

I have no problem with the drama if there are options. Alistair romance without DR would have been ok and saying without DR I mean that you don't have to do it for you both surviving the last battle. Alistair with DR is acceptable. Thane dying no matter what was ok because I expected it to happen. But I don't want anything similar in near future because my tolerance towards those kind of romances is quite low. Jacob cheating you was awful. Solas dumbing you and coming back would be lovely, but if he comes back and says that you can't be together would be frustrating.

 

I'm not going to go back into my thoughts on the Alistair romance in Origins.  However, I do want to comment on the things people keep bringing up about Adamant.  

 

For one, I'm sure the devs did not make Alistair a Warden option, or develop the choice made in the Fade, with the idea in mind that it just makes another tragic romance for women.  They built a story involving the Wardens and Hawke.  It makes perfect sense for Alistair to be your Warden contact given the fact that he's a very high ranking member of the organization and that he would totally oppose what the Wardens are doing.  If they had defaulted to Stroud for every game, I guarantee people would have been up in arms asking why Alistair (or Loghain) was nowhere to be found.  And in the long run, Alistair being in that role makes the most sense.  He's high ranking, famous, and charismatic, just the kind of guy you DON'T want talking your troops out of following your crazy plan to end the Blight. 

 

While I disagree about the Dark Ritual thing and the mistress thing, I can get behind why a lot of folks feel those are bad endings.  But I'm not sure I can get behind Adamant being put in the same context.  Being a Warden is dangerous.  I think it's unrealistic to feel death in the line of duty ten years after Origins means that the whole Alistair romance is a bust.  Death is a constant risk for a Warden, and for any soldier.

 

Of course, I killed Hawke in the game where Alistair was my Warden.   I have a pile of Hawkes, but there's only one Alistair.  

[Abelas Forever!]

I'm not going to go back into my thoughts on the Alistair romance in Origins.  However, I do want to comment on the things people keep bringing up about Adamant.  

 

For one, I'm sure the devs did not make Alistair a Warden option, or develop the choice made in the Fade, with the idea in mind that it just makes another tragic romance for women.  They built a story involving the Wardens and Hawke.  It makes perfect sense for Alistair to be your Warden contact given the fact that he's a very high ranking member of the organization and that he would totally oppose what the Wardens are doing.  If they had defaulted to Stroud for every game, I guarantee people would have been up in arms asking why Alistair (or Loghain) was nowhere to be found.  And in the long run, Alistair being in that role makes the most sense.  He's high ranking, famous, and charismatic, just the kind of guy you DON'T want talking your troops out of following your crazy plan to end the Blight. 

 

While I disagree about the Dark Ritual thing and the mistress thing, I can get behind why a lot of folks feel those are bad endings.  But I'm not sure I can get behind Adamant being put in the same context.  Being a Warden is dangerous.  I think it's unrealistic to feel death in the line of duty ten years after Origins means that the whole Alistair romance is a bust.  Death is a constant risk for a Warden, and for any soldier.

 

Of course, I killed Hawke in the game where Alistair was my Warden.   I have a pile of Hawkes, but there's only one Alistair.  

I wasn't saying that devs did it on purpose and I think it makes sense that Alistair is your warden contact. Because of the story the devs wanted to tell it can lead to a situation where one of the romances becomes tragic. You can choose which one but anyway one of them will be tragic. While romancing Morrigan or Leliana you don't have this kind of problem. Of course you can prevent this by making Alistair a king or making some general Hawke at the keep but the point is that you don't have to do those things if you are romancing a female LI. You have more freedom in your decisions and you don't have to worry that you don't have choices when deciding the fate of the romance. You will have them.

 

I understand that people don't like the mistress ending. I don't like it but you still have choice where you just don't make Alistair a king. I don't like DR and I understand  why people don't like it. I have accepted it because I still have a choice where my PC can be with Alistair and he loves her. But sometimes it feels that you will have to do a lot of accepting when romancing a male LI comparing to romancing a female LI.

[Awills]

The PC has the ability to prevent that, though, simply by playing in such a way as to make one of the other 2 options Divine.

 

If You have to play that way in order to sabatage Cass chance or choice of becoming the Divine then what is the point?

[Thiefy]

If You have to play that way in order to sabatage Cass chance or choice of becoming the Divine then what is the point?

its actually something that also happens naturally depending on your choices made earlier in the game.

[whitless256]

I wasn't saying that devs did it on purpose and I think it makes sense that Alistair is your warden contact. Because of the story the devs wanted to tell it can lead to a situation where one of the romances becomes tragic. You can choose which one but anyway one of them will be tragic. While romancing Morrigan or Leliana you don't have this kind of problem. Of course you can prevent this by making Alistair a king or making some general Hawke at the keep but the point is that you don't have to do those things if you are romancing a female LI. You have more freedom in your decisions and you don't have to worry that you don't have choices when deciding the fate of the romance. You will have them.

 

I understand that people don't like the mistress ending. I don't like it but you still have choice where you just don't make Alistair a king. I don't like DR and I understand  why people don't like it. I have accepted it because I still have a choice where my PC can be with Alistair and he loves her. But sometimes it feels that you will have to do a lot of accepting when romancing a male LI comparing to romancing a female LI.

 

You can choose to defile the urn of sacred ashes and kill Leliana even if you're romancing her.   You can choose to stab Morrigan in Witch Hunt.   So yes, you are presented with an option to kill both of those LIs if you so choose to.  

 

Killing off Hawke can be a tragedy for any gender/romance type, so it doesn't fall into support of the OP's argument that women are forced into more inevitably tragic relationships.   I think there are other good examples that support her point, but I don't think the Adamant choice is one of those examples since Alistair's death is easily avoidable (and in most games, you're killing Stroud anyway) and Hawke's death is a universal tragedy not specifically targeted at women.  

[Thiefy]

You can choose to defile the urn of sacred ashes and kill Leliana even if you're romancing her.   You can choose to stab Morrigan in Witch Hunt.   So yes, you are presented with an option to kill both of those LIs if you so choose to.  

 

Killing off Hawke can be a tragedy for any gender/romance type, so it doesn't fall into support of the OP's argument that women are forced into more inevitably tragic relationships.   I think there are other good examples that support her point, but I don't think the Adamant choice is one of those examples since Alistair's death is easily avoidable (and in most games, you're killing Stroud anyway) and Hawke's death is a universal tragedy not specifically targeted at women.  

The Adamant choice isn't tragic for women only, it's Alistair's romance which is tragic regardless of how it plays outs and Adamant adds to the tragedy. 

[RShara]

Being able to choose a tragic ending is a LOT different than being forced to swallow a tragic ending.

[AlanC9]

Being able to choose a tragic ending is a LOT different than being forced to swallow a tragic ending.

True. I don't think that makes the latter approach bad, though. I'm not at all a fan of consciously shaping an RPG's story myself; by definition, I have to be out of character to do that.

I'd actually like to see more PC decisions backfire; I was one of the guys lobbying Bio to make the DR lead to a terrible disaster, for instance.

[whitless256]

The Adamant choice isn't tragic for women only, it's Alistair's romance which is tragic regardless of how it plays outs and Adamant adds to the tragedy. 

 

 

Being able to choose a tragic ending is a LOT different than being forced to swallow a tragic ending.

 

My point is that the Adamant "tragic" ending is a choice, not something that's unavoidable.  You're the one choosing to let him die; the game is not forcing him to die.  And I've said it before and I'll say it again.  There are elements to Alistair's romance that are imperfect, but it is not an unavoidable tragedy. 

[Thiefy]

My point is that the Adamant "tragic" ending is a choice, not something that's unavoidable.  You're the one choosing to let him die; the game is not forcing him to die.  And I've said it before and I'll say it again.  There are elements to Alistair's romance that are imperfect, but it is not an unavoidable tragedy. 

You are missing the point that if Alistair is even if that situation to begin with he either a)had his lover sacrifice herself to keep him alive or b)was coerced into doing the dark ritual with Morrigan.

 

Tragic outcomes with Alistair are unavoidable if you romance him.

[RShara]

My point is that the Adamant "tragic" ending is a choice, not something that's unavoidable.  You're the one choosing to let him die; the game is not forcing him to die.  And I've said it before and I'll say it again.  There are elements to Alistair's romance that are imperfect, but it is not an unavoidable tragedy. 

I was agreeing that Adamant isn't necessarily tragic, and definitely avoidable.  Alistair however is a lot of heartbreak no matter what you choose.  Even if you eventually get to be with him again, you still have to live with the fact that he had to sleep with and impregnate another woman.  I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but that kinda crap stays with you and affects your relationship in a lot of bad ways.

[whitless256]

You are missing the point that if Alistair is even if that situation to begin with he either a)had his lover sacrifice herself to keep him alive or b)was coerced into doing the dark ritual with Morrigan.

 

Tragic outcomes with Alistair are unavoidable if you romance him.

 

And many of us have argued that the Dark Ritual is not tragic.  My female Warden talked him into doing the Dark Ritual, which he did because SHE asked him to, and then he became king and they were married.  I consider that to be a happily ever after.   Much happier than my male Warden was when Morrigan walked out on him for two years and forced him to hunt her down.    But this issue has been rehashed and rehashed in this discussion.  

[Abelas Forever!]

You can choose to defile the urn of sacred ashes and kill Leliana even if you're romancing her.   You can choose to stab Morrigan in Witch Hunt.   So yes, you are presented with an option to kill both of those LIs if you so choose to.  

 

Killing off Hawke can be a tragedy for any gender/romance type, so it doesn't fall into support of the OP's argument that women are forced into more inevitably tragic relationships.   I think there are other good examples that support her point, but I don't think the Adamant choice is one of those examples since Alistair's death is easily avoidable (and in most games, you're killing Stroud anyway) and Hawke's death is a universal tragedy not specifically targeted at women. 

Yes you have options to choose should you kill Leliana or not or stab Morrigan or not. But you can't choose should you do the DR or not if you want to continue the romance. You cannot choose whether Jacob cheats on you or not and you can't choose should Thane die or not.

 

I think the choices in Adamant where chosen by the devs because they wanted them to be hard. Alistair was your companion in DAO and Hawke was your PC in DA2. I'm not trying to say that these choices were chosen because they wanted to give more tragedy towards female PCs. I'm just pointing out that if you are romancing a female LI then you don't have to worry about your romance ending with a tragedy. You can choose.

 

You can make different decisions in keep easily. That's true. But now I'm forced to use it to create some random Hawke because I want my warden and warden Alistair to have a future. I can't have a playthrough where both my female Hawke and warden Alistair are alive.