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[Battlebloodmage]

And here comes the "how" that change everything. If Solas instead of leave without a word or break up, instead leave a letter/say goodbye after battle promising to came back...here. He always leave, but it would not be a heartbreak.

 

But I want to hope, at least for a little more time, that there will be some way (DLC/next game) to have some conclusion for his romance, and that there will be different choices to end this story (just like with Morrigan: let her go, go with her, stab her) since for now everything is so uncertain and not finished.

That may have been the way you have reacted or the way you would have wanted for him to react, but it wasn't how he responded to the situation. His romance is very much like Morrigan. If you talk to her, she'll break up with you. If you don't talk to her, she will leave you regardless. He lied and betrayed the Inquisitor. Everything happened because of him, he was the one who give Cory the device. The whole storyline already set him up to be the traitor. He's the Judas from the Last Supper picture. We don't know why he leaves, but there could be a Witch hunt DLC for him in the future. Who knows? Maybe there is a reason why he definitely couldn't return so by saying he may come back, it may break your heart or lead to people attacking Bioware if a future DLC indicating that he would be gone forever. His character is the way he is. There could very well not have been a romance without the added year. I wouldn't have attacked the developers for even added the extra romance content in the first place.

[Felya87]

That may have been the way you have reacted or the way you would have wanted for him to react, but it wasn't how he responded to the situation. His romance is very much like Morrigan. If you talk to her, she'll break up with you. If you don't talk to her, she will leave you regardless. He lied and betrayed the Inquisitor. Everything happened because of him, he was the one who give Cory the device. The whole storyline already set him up to be the traitor. He's the Judas from the Last Supper picture. We don't know why he leaves, but there could be a Witch hunt DLC for him in the future. Who knows? Maybe there is a reason why he definitely couldn't return so by saying he may come back, it may break your heart or lead to people attacking Bioware if a future DLC indicating that he would be gone forever. His character is the way he is. There could very well not have been a romance without the added year. I wouldn't have attacked the developers for even added the extra romance content in the first place.

 

Do we really know it? Do we really know how everything happen? It's still too much vague.

 

And I pount Anders: he is definitively, and without a doubt, guilty. And yet we can have him alive and with Hawke. With Solas, we still don't know how much he is guilty. For what we know, he made a mistake, and not an active act with the desire to create all of the disaster in DAI.

And he didn't betrayed the Inquisition. He just left, and after he helped in many ways. Nothing he did was against the Inquisition. He isn't a Judas. At least for now. He isn't any more a betrayer than Blackwall.

And after all, he said in some of the first dialogue with him in Heaven, that he will stay until the disaster in the sky is over.

 

What I wanted to say is simple: without rewriting all the scenes, it was possibile to give a less heartbreaking ending. A letter, a simple codex entry, and here is the hope, hope that is even in DAO after Morrigan left, since a Warden can actually state that his intentions are to find out where Morrigan has gone.

[Elsariel]

I, for one, will be very surprised if Solas isn't addressed in a later DLC. Very very surprised. The ending is of the "We're not done with this yet" variety.

In fact the ending feels like it's just the end of the beginning . Honestly, I think we just need to hope that whatever resolution they eventually offer is satisfactory. Which, given the variety of tastes shown in this thread, is a weighty task.

[9TailsFox]

I, for one, will be very surprised if Solas isn't addressed in a later DLC. Very very surprised. The ending is of the "We're not done with this yet" variety.

In fact the ending feels like it's just the end of the beginning . Honestly, I think we just need to hope that whatever resolution they eventually offer is satisfactory. Which, given the variety of tastes shown in this thread, is a weighty task.

I think we will need to wait resolution very long DA4 3-4 years. I doubt Bioware waste such great character/plot twist on simple DLC, It wouldn't make sense. But I can be wrong. Bioware dragged Flemeth in 3 games just kill her at the end and she done nothing world shaking.

[Elsariel]

I think we will need to wait resolution very long DA4 3-4 years. I doubt Bioware waste such great character/plot twist on simple DLC, It wouldn't make sense. But I can be wrong. Bioware dragged Flemeth in 3 games just kill her at the end and she done nothing world shaking.

True resolution? Yeah, I think Solas will be in DA4 and beyond (if there is a beyond). I just meant I think Solas will feature in a DLC and I'd be surprised if they don't at least touch a little more upon his motives and also throw in some sort of closure for his romance.

[Sartoz]

Wait a minute....

 

DAI is about the Dragon Age Lore in Thedas. That is why I bought the game and not for its Harlequin Romance 5 minute dialogue with a target character who may or may not string you along and who may or may not drop you off a cliff, later on.

 

Just to let you know, I romanced Cass and was disappointed This so called romance arc is the equivalent of drinking milk which is 95% water and 5% milk...yet you seem genuine concerned about heartbreak in DA games.

 

Heartbreak requires a vested interest, a really personal attachment, an emotional attachment. DAI provides nothing in this regard. This game's focus in on 14 year old console players that like to smash buttons. The "adult romance" in this game is the equivalent of throwing a stripped bone to a dog.

 

If Bio is serious about romance in its games then much more "romance" content is required, to get YOU attached to a character.  And, perhaps the best way to add much need content is to reduce the romance options to just a few characters.... which I'm sure will create a Bruha from the "don't leave me out crowd"..

 

Otherwise, I ask  "... where is the beef..?"

[RINNZ]

Eh, from what I've read, there seems to be beef. A lot of it. It may not be relevant To me, but I know it's their.

[Terodil]

Sartoz: I agree. I have two main issues with romances in DA:I:

 

1- I don't think that race/gendergating in general is a good idea. I understand that sometimes it may occasionally be required to fully flesh out a character, but since sexuality is just one aspect  of everything that makes up a personality, I should not have to expect gating for 90% of possible LIs in a game that prides itself on choice.

 

2- The emotional impact of DA:I was quite low for me in general, but even more so for romances. ME(2 with carry-over to 3 especially) was a lot better in this regard. Not to say I didn't like them in DA:I, but I find your comparison appropriate. 95% water, 5% milk.

[Elsariel]

If Bio is serious about romance in its games then much more "romance" content is required, to get YOU attached to a character. And, perhaps the best way to add much need content is to reduce the romance options to just a few characters.... which I'm sure will create a Bruha from the "don't leave me out crowd"

I completely agree, actually. I would prefer less options and deeper romance. Quality vs quantity. Assuming those two things are mutually exclusive, that is. What I'd REALLY prefer are many deep romances. That, however, would take focus away from the main plot and I wouldn't want that.

[Riladel]

Inquisition happened to be the first Dragon Age game I played. I was romancing Solas and of course I was heartbroken. But at least it was beautiful. Then I decided to play two previous games. Romanced Leliana in the Origins, so it was fine, and now I am in the middle of Act 3 of the second game and Anders started acting strange; I read this topic, of course its a spoiler for me but I wasn't surprised actually... I'm devastated but not surprised. I don't know how I will make it through the rest of the game knowing that Anders will betray Hawke, this is just awful. I just can't believe it and its so frustrating to know that there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. I'm sure I will be crying in the end of the game. I totally agree with the topicstarter. BTW Anders and Solas were telling pretty similar things about how they will hurt their loved ones. I was like "Are you kidding me?! Not this again please!!" This is terrible. I think I am just not able to understand why developers decided that it is such a great idea to make these heartbroken ended romances in each game. I am really thinking now that in other games I will not use romance options with anybody at all, because the perspective is too distressful and painful.

 

And really, Bioware, using almost the same phrases in different romances in two different games ("I will hurt you", "We need to focus on our task" or smth like that) - is stupid

Modifié par Riladel, 15 janvier 2015 - 11:01 .

[Nykara]

Who would romance anyone other then Cullen anyways?

Seriously though, I agree. I am glad Cullen is the one who took my Inquisitors heart and that for ONCE I got my happy ending. This has not been the case in any other bioware game for me thus far. I don't count ME1 or 2 because that is all destroyed in 3 by my character dying. In my original origins play through, Alistair pissed off on me. There was nothing I could do about it. Off he went. Then my Warden sacrificed herself.

Cullen is by far the BEST romance I have seen in a Bioware game so far. It rocks and I felt so spoiled by it. I feel for those who took the other romance options.


BTW why DOES Blackwall vanish? Is this simply a bug like the bug I encountered at the party where I couldn't speak with varric? Then later on everyone vanished on me, Cullen included until I reloaded.

[Terodil]

BTW why DOES Blackwall vanish? Is this simply a bug like the bug I encountered at the party where I couldn't speak with varric? Then later on everyone vanished on me, Cullen included until I reloaded.

 

What 'vanishing' are you talking about exactly?

 

1. He vanishes as part of a bug. His position is displayed on the map, but you can't see him in-game. Work-around kludge: Walk up to him so that you'd face him if he were actually where the map shows him to be. Save, reload, voila.

 

2. He vanishes as part of his quest. Talk to the dudette that stands around his old place to get the note he left you.

 

3. He may vanish at the end depending on your decisions, becoming permanently unavailable as a party member.

[Riladel]

Who would romance anyone other then Cullen anyways?

Seriously though, I agree. I am glad Cullen is the one who took my Inquisitors heart and that for ONCE I got my happy ending. This has not been the case in any other bioware game for me thus far. I don't count ME1 or 2 because that is all destroyed in 3 by my character dying. In my original origins play through, Alistair pissed off on me. There was nothing I could do about it. Off he went. Then my Warden sacrificed herself.

Cullen is by far the BEST romance I have seen in a Bioware game so far. It rocks and I felt so spoiled by it. I feel for those who took the other romance options.

 

 

Yeah, I think I will play DAI one more time just to heal my wounds with Cullen. The smoothest romance option in all DA games I suppose =)

[Felya87]

What 'vanishing' are you talking about exactly?

 

1. He vanishes as part of a bug. His position is displayed on the map, but you can't see him in-game. Work-around kludge: Walk up to him so that you'd face him if he were actually where the map shows him to be. Save, reload, voila.

 

2. He vanishes as part of his quest. Talk to the dudette that stands around his old place to get the note he left you.

 

3. He may vanish at the end depending on your decisions, becoming permanently unavailable as a party member.

 

I think she is referring, if you romance him, after the game you can't find him in Shyhold or talk to him, but can select him when going around the world as part of the party.

[Nykara]

Yeah, what Felya said. That to me sounds more like a bug then intended.

[Elsariel]

Inquisition happened to be the first Dragon Age game I played. I was romancing Solas and of course I was heartbroken. But at least it was beautiful. Then I decided to play two previous games. Romanced Leliana in the Origins, so it was fine, and now I am in the middle of Act 3 of the second game and Anders started acting strange; I read this topic, of course its a spoiler for me but I wasn't surprised actually... I'm devastated but not surprised. I don't know how I will make it through the rest of the game knowing that Anders will betray Hawke, this is just awful. I just can't believe it and its so frustrating to know that there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. I'm sure I will be crying in the end of the game. I totally agree with the topicstarter. BTW Anders and Solas were telling pretty similar things about how they will hurt their loved ones. I was like "Are you kidding me?! Not this again please!!" This is terrible. I think I am just not able to understand why developers decided that it is such a great idea to make these heartbroken ended romances in each game. I am really thinking now that in other games I will not use romance options with anybody at all, because the perspective is too distressful and painful.

And really, Bioware, using almost the same phrases in different romances in two different games ("I will hurt you", "We need to focus on our task" or smth like that) - is stupid

I feel for you. You had some bad luck in choices there. Anders is heartbreaking, but my Hawke still loves him even though she didn't approve of his actions. I think she's holding out for some way to separate him from Justice. Given the dialogue in Inquisition, she can't seem to part from him, even though things are not the same between them.

The romances that have some sort of adversity to overcome are the ones I find most rewarding. Alistair, Anders, and Fenris are among my favorites. Cullen, too, is one of my faves and really great even though I was hoping for a deeper experience. I'm romancing Solas now and, although I don't know details, at least I know to expect the heartbreak.

[Terodil]

Nah, that is not a bug. He is a Grey Warden now, so his home is with his new mates.

 

You have just been friendzoned.

[Abelas Forever!]

Wait a minute....

 

DAI is about the Dragon Age Lore in Thedas. That is why I bought the game and not for its Harlequin Romance 5 minute dialogue with a target character who may or may not string you along and who may or may not drop you off a cliff, later on.

 

Just to let you know, I romanced Cass and was disappointed This so called romance arc is the equivalent of drinking milk which is 95% water and 5% milk...yet you seem genuine concerned about heartbreak in DA games.

 

Heartbreak requires a vested interest, a really personal attachment, an emotional attachment. DAI provides nothing in this regard. This game's focus in on 14 year old console players that like to smash buttons. The "adult romance" in this game is the equivalent of throwing a stripped bone to a dog.

 

If Bio is serious about romance in its games then much more "romance" content is required, to get YOU attached to a character.  And, perhaps the best way to add much need content is to reduce the romance options to just a few characters.... which I'm sure will create a Bruha from the "don't leave me out crowd"..

 

Otherwise, I ask  "... where is the beef..?"

Cassandra is an option for male PCs and I don't think that romance arc is not that tragic. I guess only tragedy with that romance is that it's hinted that she will leave you if she becomes the divine but then again you can avoid that by not making her the divine. So I guess you would like more tragedy and drama in romances with female LIs? Because there is more drama and tragedy if you romance male LIs which is the problem here.

 

I don't have problems with attaching to my characters. Romancing Solas even if there aren't that many romance content added more to the story than the few scenes there was. I wouldn't mind even less content with romances if the romances exist at all because to me romances enhance the story greatly. Because of the romances I overlook all the problems which might be at game.

 

I think quality of the romances are important and I think all the romances in DAI are good quality romances. Because there are so many characters involved in the story It enables more LIs to be present. If there would be less characters involved in the story like in DA2 then I think it would be harder to create multiple LIs and because of that it's better that there isn't that many LIs. There is probably many ways to deepen the romances but I guess because I have been satisfied with the depth of the romances so far I don't need that to happen because I think it's also very important that there is the main story which is important and when you get some romantic content then it feels much better that if the whole game would concentrate on romances.

[Kulyok]

I'm surprised people rarely mention the heartbreak of Dorian romance. Because he plainly says(I only watched him on Youtube, but still) that he is going to Tevinter eventually to change things, and he doesn't want the Inquisitor to come, because then the Inquisitor would just end up doing it all himself. So, Dorian WILL leave, and he will not come back - he will likely be an option to become an Archon in the next game, no kidding there. And... well... this is likely the end for Dorian and his lover. Fond memories and all, just like Cassandra/Inquisitor, if Cassandra becomes Divine. So, it may be a beautiful romance, but there are tons of heartbreak there.

 

// Rant: Especially since I really don't like Dorian's reasons. Tevinter Imperium is that brilliant, intriguing, evil sparkling country of Red Wizards of Thay, with multiple sarcastic Edwins behind each corner. It's wonderful! It's a place of legend and history, and I, for one, am very excited to be going there, and I DON'T want it to change! I want the Magisterium, the slaves, the blood magic, the evil - everything! (Well, except the Chantry. No Chantry for the evil Red Wizards! We'll blow it up, I think.) In other words, it's an exciting chance to be evil and to have fun. And I really don't want Dorian to screw it up, because this guy just might succeed, alas.

 

 

 

And as for Anders, Solas and maybe Morrigan(since her romance was heartbreaking before the Witch Hunt), all I can say is MORE, PLEASE! And I'm not sorry.

[Elsariel]

This is the first I've heard about Dorian. I didn't know he tells the Inquisitor not to come with. Poor Dorian fans!

[Shinobu]

Inquisition happened to be the first Dragon Age game I played. I was romancing Solas and of course I was heartbroken. But at least it was beautiful. Then I decided to play two previous games. Romanced Leliana in the Origins, so it was fine, and now I am in the middle of Act 3 of the second game and Anders started acting strange; I read this topic, of course its a spoiler for me but I wasn't surprised actually... I'm devastated but not surprised. I don't know how I will make it through the rest of the game knowing that Anders will betray Hawke, this is just awful. I just can't believe it and its so frustrating to know that there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. I'm sure I will be crying in the end of the game. I totally agree with the topicstarter. BTW Anders and Solas were telling pretty similar things about how they will hurt their loved ones. I was like "Are you kidding me?! Not this again please!!" This is terrible. I think I am just not able to understand why developers decided that it is such a great idea to make these heartbroken ended romances in each game. I am really thinking now that in other games I will not use romance options with anybody at all, because the perspective is too distressful and painful.

 

And really, Bioware, using almost the same phrases in different romances in two different games ("I will hurt you", "We need to focus on our task" or smth like that) - is stupid

 

I believe the "romance with me will only hurt you" warning (Blackwall also does it) was added in response to all of the Alistair romancers who were completely blindsided by the way his romance could work out (or actually NOT work out) in DAO. It's a "at least they can't say we didn't WARN them this time" CYA move. Basically, if a potential Bioware LI tells you they are bad news, believe them, because something about their romance will probably give you angst even if it is possible to end up with them in the long run.

[Faeryia]

Please, if there must be multiple heartbreaking romances in a given BioWare game, spread the heartbreak around.  Do not give these options only to female characters.

 

I appreciate tragedy and heartbreak... sometimes.  However, this has become a routine feature for BioWare games: if you happen to be playing a straight woman character, you have a very high chance of your character's love interest (if you pursue one) cheating, breaking up with you, leaving, or being deeply in love with someone else (usually a dead wife).

 

Most of us don't like heartbreak THAT much.  I don't care if the player is a man or a woman or a moose.  Heartbreak has its place, but if it were fun we wouldn't call it heartbreak.

 

Yes, it happens in the real world all the time.  Yes, it's okay (and even good) on occasion, even every other game, or every three games, and can make for an awesome story.  But please, spread that heartbreak around, and stop piling it all on the romance options for lady characters, and having it happen (often on more than one character) in every. single. game.

 

No, I'm not saying give the heartbreak to the LGBT community.  Goodness knows, they get enough of the heartbreak in pretty much every other medium.  But how about breaking the straight guys' hearts instead now and then, if you really want tragedy?  Men and women are equally capable of handling tragedy, so you would think that tragedy would be equally distributed.  It isn't.

 

Devoted fans (most of them women) have brought this up and brought this up, repeatedly, in the fan threads of our favorite characters who dumped us, cheated on us, died, etc.  It appears no one is listening, or that no one is taking us seriously.  So I feel that a thread should garner some attention to the problem, and hopefully reduce the number of heartbroken lady protagonists (and their players) out there.

 

Not all of us want Cullen or Kaidan types, and Cullen/Kaidan types are not the only kind of love interest that can both be interesting and end well.

 

Sometimes heartbreak and drama are awesome.  But, sometimes, plain old fluff is nice where the romances are concerned.  And sometimes, interesting plots and seeming inevitable failure is good, if it turns right around and ends well anyway.  Thedas in particular is a dark world, and I get that.  But can we not have a ray of hope at least in the form of a happy romance, so that our characters at least need not wander the ruined world alone after the story ends?

 

For those of you who don't understand what I am talking about, some instances of this in various BioWare games:

 

• Jacob, ME2 - Cheats in ME3 (inevitable)
• Thane, ME2 - Dies in ME3 (inevitable)
• Alistair, DA:O - Can Die, WILL Dump Non-Human or Mage if Made King, Can Cheat (Leliana, Morrigan).  Being his mistress is presented as a positive solution, though many people would find that unacceptable for a variety of reasons.  Of all of them, his involves the most choice, which makes it seem the least horrible--until you realize, the best option for Ferelden to rule is with him as king (if you are female) and either the Warden (if human noble) or Anora at his side.  Also if you don't do the Dark Ritual and take him with you to the final battle, his death is inevitable and cannot be interrupted by a female Warden who romanced him--also highly problematic.
• Morrigan, DA:O - Male only.  She leaves at the end.  This is fixed, though, via a DLC where the Warden can go rejoin her.
• Anders, DA2 - Both Genders.  Betrays Hawke - this is inevitable since it's part of the main plot. (Note, he's loyal if you let him live... and despite doing something ABSOLUTELY horrible, he gets a happy-ish ending?)
• Blackwall, DA:I - He lies about who he is, sleeps with the Inquisitor before the reveal (which is Not Okay), and if romanced, disappears from Skyhold post-game.  He is still available in-party, but he abandons his lover.
• Solas, DA:I - Breaks up with the Inquisitor immediately after giving the romance achievement and potentially stripping her of a vital part of her identity.  Seems to promise an explanation in some dialogue, but then vanishes without a trace.  Yes, it's for Major Plot Reasons, but there is basically no real closure.  Heartbreak, all around.

And I get that in DA2, any romance could potentially turn against you, based on your choices.  I list Anders only because it's inevitable.  Alistair hurting the PC is not inevitable, but it's ridiculously likely to happen given how many options there are to have everything go poorly for the Warden in that relationship--and I include him because of that and because without the Dark Ritual, you can't take him with you without him sacrificing himself without your say-so.  And then you get an achievement saying you told him to, even when you didn't.  Salt in the wound.

 

You'll notice there are only two characters men can romance that I've thought of on that list.  I'm sure I'm missing others for ladies, and maybe there's another tragic romance or two for guys that I'm missing.  Of the ones I can think of, though, only one is romanceable to straight men.  It's a trend geared toward female characters, and I repeat, not everyone likes that or wants it.

 

I'm not yelling "SEXISM" about it.  I am not sure why things skew this way.  Maybe the people who enjoy playing female characters at the BioWare offices all adore a good tragedy.  But I'm pretty sure, from the way conversations have gone on this point, that the majority of the fans, in fact, do not enjoy tragedy, or at least not the amount of tragedy that we are actually given for the female protagonists.

 

So please, please cut back on the number of heartbreak characters we get.  I'm not asking for them to all be taken away.  Sometimes, I WANT a good tragedy story; tragedy can be beautiful.  But I don't want half of my characters' options (or more) to lead to inevitable heartbreak.  There doesn't need to be one in every game--or if there is, sometimes, the male characters should get the heartbreak option.

 

If you agree or are in support of this request, please post.  I want BioWare to pay some attention to this and spread the heartbreak around!  (I'd say they should reduce it overall, if they can get over their fan tears addiction, but spreading it around works nicely--they get their fan tears, and female protagonists everywhere can have a reprieve.)

 

I agree! I played a female noble human in my very first playthrough of Origins and she had a happy ending, marrying Alistair. Then my next character, a female elf also romanced Alistair and I was so looking forward to her being queen of Ferelden, and what happens? Alistair breaks up with her! She ended up sacrificing her life, killing the Archdemon. There were tears all around, I can tell you that.

 

In my, so far, only playthrough of DA I, I played another female elf and romanced Soals, and yeah... we all know how that ends... I don't mind heartache and drama in the games, quite the contrary. But please, let there at least be a happy ending to it. In the end of DA I you could at least have included like a dream or something where Solas returns to the Inquisitor for a last romantic kiss and a declaration of his love or something. 

 

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This is my 200th post! Go me!

[Terodil]

"Don't -- open -- the -- sarcophagus!"

 

=D

[Felya87]

I believe the "romance with me will only hurt you" warning (Blackwall also does it) was added in response to all of the Alistair romancers who were completely blindsided by the way his romance could work out (or actually NOT work out) in DAO. It's a "at least they can't say we didn't WARN them this time" CYA move. Basically, if a potential Bioware LI tells you they are bad news, believe them, because something about their romance will probably give you angst even if it is possible to end up with them in the long run.

 

Not really. Fenris sayd too that a relationship with him is not a good idea, if I remember correctly. He even leave Hawke. and yet his romance end well. is not an inavoidable rule.