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[Jackal19851111]

I admit it's actually quite cruel what he did, he took her heart, then took away what makes her Dalish, then leaves her on the eve of freakin battle WTF

 

As great as the romance was with my elfquisitor and Solas, I felt for my elfquisitor, the poor thing really.

[Bethgael]

Incorrect. Cassandra breaks off the romance if she becomes the Divine. If Alistair counts for doing that but you have the option to be his mistress so you're still together, then Cassandra definitely counts since it is the same thing except you don't have the option to remain her lover. 

The PC has the ability to prevent that, though, simply by playing in such a way as to make one of the other 2 options Divine.

[CuriousArtemis]

Please, if there must be multiple heartbreaking romances in a given BioWare game, spread the heartbreak around.  Do not give these options only to female characters.

 

HERE, HERE. I would gladly take all those heartbreaking romances off your hands  

 

God Bless ME and DA2 for giving me some serious and angsty romances. In DAI I got stuck with Mr. Fabulous and Mr. Kink Fest 

[Jackal19851111]

For all the ladies who romanced Solas:

 

[Natashina]

For all the ladies who romanced Solas:

 

 

The growl before she decks him is a nice touch.  

[Efvie]

I’m not even halfway through the first page and this has already turned into a competition.

 

Why?

 

There should be fewer tragic romances for female characters. If it’s felt there should be fewer tragic male romances, by all means let’s ask for that too.

[RynJ]

I think what many of us in this thread would prefer is not Disney, but something a little more like Morrigan's romance. Sure, it was rocky and sure it had some frustrating elements with her leaving. Then Witch Hunt happened and bam, by the time DAI rolls around she and the Warden had raised their son and are still incredibly happy together. She mentions him lovingly and he sends her letters. It's a wholly satisfying ending to one of the only tense romances for straight male characters I can think of.

 

When you compare that to Jacob or Thane or Alistair if you don't let him sleep with Morrigan or Solas now, it's hard not to get a little bitter. Where was the chance for a satisfying ending? Where was the part where the pain was worth it? It's not to say that tragic romance elements that stay tragic and can't get better are bad, necessarily. It's when all such romances are for people playing female characters that it gets ridiculous. It's not that we never get romances with happy endings, but that we get a completely undeniably huge percentage of the tragic romances compared to people playing straight male characters.

 

I, like many here, would prefer a more even distribution. It's to the point where I go in expecting some sort of horrible tragedy when I romance someone in a BioWare game. If it was decided that it's not a good idea to give straight male players more tragic romances, I'd encourage more thought about just why that conclusion was drawn and how it could apply to every type of BioWare game player.

[Calders]

We had one of these threads a couple of weeks ago... at least this one is a bit more reasonable in tone but I don't see why you can't ask for less tragedy in romances without adding the "and can't you stick it to the straight guys more" as well.  Not that I mind actually, tragic romance stories can be quite moving, but first they would have to create a female romance I actually care about and I'm not sure that's allowed anymore.

[Jackal19851111]

My first playthrough as a DW rogue was with Iron Bull and it was a happy ending, though I felt it was generic, even if it gave me quite alot of laughs considering the Bull's hands are bigger than my female elfquisitor's head! Then I tried to roll my main, a Qunari Reaver with Josie but got stuck pre-Orlesian ball (due to no walk fix at that time) and ended up forgetting about him. I started another elfquisitor in the meantime and finished it with the walk mod, romancing Solas.

 

Solas romance by far was the most moving. Tragic, but moving.

[Efvie]

One tricky thing with the romances is, of course, that you don’t know how they’ll end ahead of time. Realistic, maybe, but prone to disappointment.

 

Being that these are video games we’re talking about, it’s completely possible to offer the player an upfront choice of including non-rainbows romances without giving away any details. In fact, in most cases it’d be possible to have the same character’s romance end in different ways depending on such a choice with relatively little extra work.

 

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Sort of a related question: what do you think has been BioWare’s most complicated romance thus far? Or any other game for that matter. Not necessarily wrought with tragedy, nor juvenile/rom-com ‘misunderstandings’, but actual, complicated and preferably ultimately successful romance. That is what I could do more with.

[drake2511]

I'm okay with some tragedy if the romance has a happy ending. As many of you already said, Morrigan is a great example, and it is no wonder she is one of fan's favourites character. She has many layers and she grows over time, which is a beautiful thing. Players were left bitter when she left, but were given the chance to end up with her anyway in a DLC.

Choice is what matters here. You want a tragic ending for your LI? Sure, Alistair could break up with you, or one of you could sacrifice for the greater good, even if still in a romance. That's perfectly fine. But you also had the option to be happy with him in the end.

DA writers know how to handle choice, they do. That's why I would be so disappointed if all of a sudden they took that away from us. And I'm not talking about "good" or "bad" choices. I don't want to burn up the world to be with Solas again, I want my Lavellan to be able to be happy with him without feeling s*** about it. I like how bittersweet Solas' romance can be so far, but it's because I hope know it's not the end of it. If it really ended like that I would just be pissed and I wouldn't want to do it ever again.

So, yes. Please, I can't handle tragedy in a romance if it's inevitable.

[AlexiaRevan]

I agree . 

 

And lets not forget Nwn 2 where both casavir and that other guy die in the end no matter what . 

[Natashina]

I agree . 

 

And lets not forget Nwn 2 where both casavir and that other guy die in the end no matter what . 

As was pointed out to me, that wasn't an EA/BioWare game.  That was done by Obsidian.  BioWare had started it, but then they began work on Dragon Age, so they passed it to Obsidian.  Bishop's romance was dummied out anyways, as was Neeskha's.  It takes mods in order to get them available in the game.

[AlexiaRevan]

For all the ladies who romanced Solas:

 

Oh wow...

 

Quizzie hit less hard then shepard  1st time I hit Al-Jilani in ME2..I though I killed her   

[9TailsFox]

The PC has the ability to prevent that, though, simply by playing in such a way as to make one of the other 2 options Divine.

But I want my waifu to be Divine.

[9TailsFox]

For all the ladies who romanced Solas:

 

You just hit a god. Only Benjamin Sisko can hit god and live.

[Ajna]

I wanted to add my voice here and echo much of what has been said, but I won't repeat it.  All I will say is, give us the chance to make the pain worth it.

[Moirnelithe]

I fully support this thread. That said I absolutely adore the Solas romance, it makes the flaws in DA:I somewhat palatable. But there better be a good ending for that romance in future games/DLC.

 

*disgusted noise*

[Zered]

Solas is the one thing Sera is right about.

Also I am pretty sure Gaider and Weekes are smiling whilst reading this thread.

[KaiserShep]

Solas is the one thing Sera is right about.

Also I am pretty sure Gaider and Weekes are smiling whilst reading this thread.

 

She's also right about Vivienne.

[Vox Draco]

Well, at least we came a long way since Anomen Delryn from BG2 ... everything about that "romance" was tragedy, most of all the personality of Anomen de la Jerk. I eventually used a little mod that allowed my female Bhaalspawn to lesbomance the other three ladies ...

 

Don't have much memories on the other Bioware-Romances ... NWN? If there was one I probably missed it, because I usually was asleep playing that borefest. And Mas Effect, with the whoel ending-stuff, I consider ALL romances to be tragic and ending most unsatisfying, but that's another topic. And DA2 sadly had NO male LI for my Femhawke at all. They both were ... so meh ... Jhayna Hawke therefore became lesbian, and even then you only have the choice between a walking sexpun and a naive bloodmage-kid (really, the thought of romancing Merril as a guy-Hawke makes me feel really awkward for some reason)

 

I loved the DAO romance with Alistair. Though ... I had to play a siginificant portion of the game again after he dumped my Cousland after the Landsmeet. DA-Wiki told me about this "hardening" of Alistair (I thought my lady had done that at camp already! ^^), and after that I am okay with that. They are together, as Queen and King, but its not happily ever after. Children, the Calling...and this one night in Morrigan Redcliffe probably is a bit of a shadow on their relationship. I like that, a lot of potential for headcanon!

 

And I hope they try to keep the above formula. In DAI my canon-warden initially romanced Cullen (because anyone else has beards, horns or vaginas), and I also like that it is a stress-free romance, but a little bit of tension would have been okay. I had expected the Lyrium-thing to have a bigger impact...

 

I also actually like Blackwall's backstory, it has a lot of story-potential, redemption and all that. If only he wasn't an old sasquatch, but I guess some people like that look...would have preferred a bit more Aragorn here instead of what we got...but I don't mind the whole drama around him

 

I hope they keep at least one decent looking and decent acting "normal" LI for the females in DAI ... with a tragic note, maybe a bit of bad-boy-attitude or something like that, but not Anomen-Idiot style ... and always the potential (!) for some kind of relationship post-credit.

 

“And will I tell you that these three lived happily ever after? I will not, for no one ever does. But there was happiness. And they did live.”
― Stephen King, The Dark Tower

[AllThatJazz]

I'm unashamedly biased here. Solas is wonderful, both as character and romance, and given the way it finishes, it would be pretty gutting not to get some closure in a way that offers the chance of a non-tragic ending a la Morrigan.

I've often lamented the enforced tragedy/dead ex thing of f/m romances and I really do hope that the Solas relationship is a) not over b ) not ignored and c) not railroaded into tragedy. There's such potential there for angst-ridden fan tears, of both the happy and sad variety, it would be a crying shame to see it wasted

That said, I have been enjoying the Blackwall character and romance, am looking forward to Cullen and Iron Bull, and adored Garrus in ME. Credit where it's due, strides have been made since Anomen.

[BraveVesperia]

This issue is exactly why I romanced Sera first off in DAI. I figured she would have a relatively light romance arc, and I was right, there was only minor turbulence with the elf issue.

 

After Alistair sacrificing himself in DAO and everything to do with Anders in DA2, the last thing I wanted was a depresssing first romance again.

[We'll bang okay]

Good job at reading the thread.

 unless i was a bit sleepy and didn't read what I thought i read, people where saying something about Alistair not having a good ending