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[SamanthaJ]

 unless i was a bit sleepy and didn't read what I thought i read, people where saying something about Alistair not having a good ending 

They were saying how difficult it was.

 

Mage or non-human? Either be his mistress (which sucks and is easy to miss without a guide telling you that he needs to be hardened) or keep him in the Grey Wardens. Either way the only way both of you live is if you force him sleep with another woman (ewwwwwww).

 

Have him stay in the Wardens? Then you've got to choose between him or Hawke, thus forcing another unhappy ending on you.

 

Only people that play human nobles and become queen are ultimately going to be happy it seems.

[CENIC]

If Solas doesn't get a special DLC about him reuniting with Lavellan the way Morrigan romancers got Witch Hunt... >_>

I actually enjoy tragic romance quite a bit. I thought Solas's romance plot was AMAZING even though I am still hoping for closure via DLC.
Cullen's romance hit the sweet spot for me; just enough conflict with the lyrium addiction subplot to keep it from getting boring without going overboard. I haven't done Bull's romance yet but I hear good things about that one too.

What bothered me the most about Alistair's romance was the fact that I had to let him sleep with Morrigan. I was playing as a mage. I didn't HAVE to put him on the throne, but I chose to do it (and remain his mistress). I was OK with that part, but I definitely understand why other women would not be. Having to convince him to have sex with Morrigan was awful. Yes, I'm bitter, and I want the straight male players to have to sit through something like that. If they did, perhaps the uproar would be enough to prevent such a storyline from ever happening again?

Making it possible for Cassandra to leave the player if she becomes Divine came pretty close to a tragic romance for straight guys, but it's possible to pick dialogue options that leave the fate of your relationship open-ended, where for female players' tragic romances, this has never been an option.

I can't think of a single romancer audience that is clamoring for tragic romances, so perhaps they should be avoided altogether? Straight women are unhappy, and straight men and LGBT players don't want the tragedy foisted on them instead. If there must be a tragic romance, make it between NPCs so that the player is not personally affected by it.

[MelissaGT]

I agree . 

 

And lets not forget Nwn 2 where both casavir and that other guy die in the end no matter what . 

 

That would be Bishop...oh I love me some Bishop...  You can clearly see that there was an intended romance there (Casavir and Bishop even have a nice jealousy argument that you overhear), but it was cut. There is a lovely mod out there that allows you to have a romance, however. You can even continue it in Mask of the Betrayer by rescuing him from the Wall of the Faithless. 

 

People keep mentioning how the Alistair romance is tragic. I don't see it. Ok, taken at face-value, maybe I can. However, if you consider the "medieval times," political marriages were the norm, so being a king's mistress would not have the same connotation that being someone's mistress today has. Look at how Viv describes being the mistress of Duke Bastien - she said that she and his wife get along just fine. Or, if you both remain in the Wardens you stay together. Later on you have to choose between Hawke or Alistair...I had no problem with this choice. Nowhere does the game confirm that the person left behind dies. It says "likely," and we all know how Bioware works. I think we'll see more somewhere down the line in DLC on that. I have two "canon" Wardens, both Amell's...one is with a King Alistair who is married politically to Anora, the other is with a Warden Alistair (this is the one I use for Inquisition). 

 

I also don't see why people keep saying that Cullen's romance is "Disney" just because it doesn't end in tragedy or isn't angst-ridden. I wouldn't imagine being thrown onto a desk to be "Disney," that boy has a naughty side in my head. To me, it's refreshing to have a romance that can be taken for face-value. It's two people who meet in the most unlikely of places and fall in love. In my opinion it is a welcome breather - well done Bioware!

 

Lastly...Garrus! Or is he too alien for people to consider romancing? His was perfect. My canon Shep started out being besties with Garrus and romancing Kaidan in ME:1. Then after Kaidan broke her heart in ME:2, she used Garrus as a shoulder to cry on. Their friendship turned into something more. Finally, in ME:3, Kaidan wants her back and she's like NOPE! Garrus all the way...

[Izzyl]

I also would like to add my voice to the OP's. This discrimination has to stop. Really... 

 

I am not going to repeat everything either. But after Alistair, Anders and Solas. It.has.to.stop. (And again, not necessarily the tragedy, but the inevitability of it). 

[Dakota Strider]

Choosing between Hawke or Alistair?  Apparently playing female characters offers a choice I have never seen in my multiple play throughs of Dragon Age.  Would someone care to elaborate as how you are forced to choose between Hawke or Alistair?  Is that for who appears in the cameo of DLI?

 

Regarding NwN2; I had not mentioned that before, but it seems all female choices for the male hero die in the end.  I believe Elanee was the name of the main choice.  Not exactly what I would have considered a Bioware romance.  From what I have read, the writing for Bishop was much better.

[Grieving Natashina]

Choosing between Hawke or Alistair?  Apparently playing female characters offers a choice I have never seen in my multiple play throughs of Dragon Age.  Would someone care to elaborate as how you are forced to choose between Hawke or Alistair?  Is that for who appears in the cameo of DLI?

 

Regarding NwN2; I had not mentioned that before, but it seems all female choices for the male hero die in the end.  I believe Elanee was the name of the main choice.  Not exactly what I would have considered a Bioware romance.  From what I have read, the writing for Bishop was much better.

Okay, spoilers for the Warden Alistair world state.  This takes place in the Fade sequence and happens regardless of the gender of the PC:

 

Spoiler

If you have Alistair as a Warden, he's the one that goes with you into the Fade after Adamant, not Stroud.  Then you have the choice between either leaving Alistair or Hawke behind to take on the Nightmare while you escape.

 

As far as the latter, that's because it isn't a BioWare game.  It's Obsidian's game.  BioWare had little with NWN2 to do with it beyond the initial stages and much of what they did have was cut by Obsidian later.  Also Casvir dies as well, the female love interest, Bishop has an interesting fate in the expansion (but he still died,) Elanee did indeed die and the other would-have-been LI Neeshka died too.  That entire good-side ending sucked though.  

[Sister Squish]

Chiming in with agreement. Sure, let there be enough drama to be interesting, but... let's face it, we play games to have fun and get away from RL heartbreak, right. Alistair, Anders... now this Solas thing, with it's unresolved emotional-hostage taking...! Too much. 

[Thiefy]

Seems a bit silly to say this but forcing your partner to sleep with the person they hate most so that she can conceive, what we believe at the time to be, a demon baby, so you both can live, is generally considered not to be a happy ending.

[Roxy]

I'm on board here I agree with you OP and I want to get permission to post the link to this thread to a few people at BW on twitter.

 

Tis okay with you? 

 

 

I'm an optimistic person but I don't mind a little drama in a romance as long as it has a happy ending. This giving straight ladies a tragic ending constantly is getting really old and a lot of ladies including myself are getting tired/sick of it. Thane,Anders,now Solas... *sigh*. 

[MelissaGT]

Seems a bit silly to say this but forcing your partner to sleep with the person they hate most so that she can conceive, what we believe at the time to be, a demon baby, so you both can live, is generally considered not to be a happy ending.

 

But this isn't limited to just the female protagonist either. With a male protag, either he has to do it, or kill Alistair...not happy either.

 

I guess I've played through it so many times it doesn't really bother me anymore. Alistair is clearly disgusted by the act - it's not like he's going to fantasize about Morrigan later. Also, there is a wonderful mod that someone made that removes the Morrigan scene and focuses on Alistair and the Warden while she waits for him. Much better from that perspective. 

 

I still don't consider the Alistair romance to be a gut-punch in any way. Anders? Yes, definitely...especially the part where I gritted my teeth and betrayed my ideals to side with the mages just so I could keep Anders alive...only to find later that Hawke seems utterly miserable with the relationship in DA:I. IMO, the best relationship to bring into DA:I is Sebastian...

[Liveshiptrader]

If you can potentially get a good ending with the character then I would not count that, say you could cure Thane but I agree with the overall sentiment of the post in that less tragedy more good unless of course the bottom half of the post that I didn't read said something horrible.

[Jaderail]

I can't agree more, OP. Despite some of the less than favorable outcomes, I would *love* to see some kind of choice again, similar to the Alistair romance.

[zambixi]

That would be Bishop...oh I love me some Bishop...  You can clearly see that there was an intended romance there (Casavir and Bishop even have a nice jealousy argument that you overhear), but it was cut. There is a lovely DLC out there that allows you to have a romance, however. You can even continue it in Mask of the Betrayer by rescuing him from the Wall of the Faithless. 

 

People keep mentioning how the Alistair romance is tragic. I don't see it. Ok, taken at face-value, maybe I can. However, if you consider the "medieval times," political marriages were the norm, so being a king's mistress would not have the same connotation that being someone's mistress today has. Look at how Viv describes being the mistress of Duke Bastien - she said that she and his wife get along just fine. Or, if you both remain in the Wardens you stay together. Later on you have to choose between Hawke or Alistair...I had no problem with this choice. Nowhere does the game confirm that the person left behind dies. It says "likely," and we all know how Bioware works. I think we'll see more somewhere down the line in DLC on that. I have two "canon" Wardens, both Amell's...one is with a King Alistair who is married politically to Anora, the other is with a Warden Alistair (this is the one I use for Inquisition). 

 

I also don't see why people keep saying that Cullen's romance is "Disney" just because it doesn't end in tragedy or isn't angst-ridden. I wouldn't imagine being thrown onto a desk to be "Disney," that boy has a naughty side in my head. To me, it's refreshing to have a romance that can be taken for face-value. It's two people who meet in the most unlikely of places and fall in love. In my opinion it is a welcome breather - well done Bioware!

 

Lastly...Garrus! Or is he too alien for people to consider romancing? His was perfect. My canon Shep started out being besties with Garrus and romancing Kaidan in ME:1. Then after Kaidan broke her heart in ME:2, she used Garrus as a shoulder to cry on. Their friendship turned into something more. Finally, in ME:3, Kaidan wants her back and she's like NOPE! Garrus all the way...

 

I think the romances have to be taken in modern context, rather than trying to justify them based on what was normal/abnormal during medieval times. There are so many anachronistic elements in the DA franchise that I always find the argument "well that's how it would have been" to ring a bit hollow. Especially in a game where everyone seems to use standardized spelling and no one in the party dies of sepsis from their wounds. DA is not a historical genre game and there is no reason they have to represent those elements of history when they are not trying to represent all of the elements of history.

 

But I think the whole Alistair romance is kind of icky at the end. You have to force him to have sex with someone he does not like (borderline sexual assault) for the express purpose of conceiving a child whose life he will not be involved in. Then if you didn't make the "correct" choice very early on in the game (actually your first choice), and then another "correct" choice (one line of dialogue, unmarked in the game interface) during his companion quest, the relationship ends. If you try to avoid this altogether by making him a Warden, you either have to leave him or Hawke for dead in the Fade. Even if either of them come out of the Fade at a future date, it's a pretty crap outcome. I mean, he's in the realm of the Nightmare -- it's not going to be a pleasant stay. Is there another romance where you have to correctly make so many arbitrary decisions in order to get a 'happy' outcome?

 

Regardless, I don't think the presence of happy-ish male LI negates the fact that if there is going to be an LI that betrays the PC, or an LI with an objectively unpleasant and/or unresolved ending, it's likely to be a male LI. And it's likely that you're going to be completely powerless to stop them, or have to make a very specific set of choices to do so.

[MelissaGT]

*snip*

 

I dunno, everybody is entitled to their opinion. I just don't really have a problem with any of the romances that Bioware has given us over the years. Maybe I'm just easy to please. 

 

Yes, Thane made me bawl my eyes out...he would easily be in my top 3 favorites if he could have been saved...

Yes, I seriously wanted to drop-kick Anders...

Yes, I wanted to throw Jacob out an airlock...

 

But to me, the good outweighs the bad:

 

Garrus was the perfect "friend to more" romance

Cullen was the perfect "love in the most unlikely place" romance

Alistair was a great "coming of age" romance, despite the icky bits at the end (imo)

Fenris was a great "angry sex" romance (if you rival-mance him...ooooh it's so fun to do as a mage!)

 

As I said, everybody is entitled to their own opinion...I guess I'm part of the happy minority!

[Felya87]

I'm on the boat too.

I like my angst and tragic on the way, since I love when all that suffering give fruits in a satisfating happish ending (yeah, call it Disney. I don't care if people intended it as some kind of idotic insult, for me is compliment. Disney have make me cry where others, with all their depressing endings haven't  )

 

What I hate is the inevitability of the drama. I will be forever bitter for Alistair, since the favouritsm towards the HN origin is abismal, and how hard and planned have to be a happysh resolution for a non HN warden, and how tasteless was the Morrigan thing 

but at least there was a chance to find a happysh ending.

 

Jacob and Thane still hurt. So the horrible Vega in Citadel.

 

I'd prefer the drama and the happy ending be there in every romance, male and female, and having one result or the other being a consequence of game choice.

I'm a little tired of the forced drama in the relationship for straight female romance. I have many friends who have spoiled themselve the endings of the romances to not pick the dramatic one in DAI.

 

Is sad and it means something is wrong if players end up doing so before playng a game.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah it's kind of bad when my first reaction is "So what happens with the female romances?" so I know which bullets to dodge.

[AtreiyaN7]

Well add to the "after sex" thing, that it's also then that you learn he's been romancing you under an assumed identity.  That falls under the definition of rape in the U.S. if I am not mistaken, so it's very much Not Okay in the first place.  And, you are right, you have to forgive him a number of atrocities that he has committed, on top of the identity theft.
 
Blackwall may have the potential for a happy ending, but from fans I heard, he just left Skyhold and was available in the party, post-game.  Maybe that isn't the case for all players, if that is so I can take him off the list, or put a question mark or something.  Either way, considering the ditch-after-sex-under-assumed-identity thing, I'm thinking he's not a winner, either way.

I will just point out that that is a completely retarded statement if this is the whole "rape by deception" accusation again when the circumstances are completely different ftom real-life cases where the perpetrators did what they did expressly for the purposes of tricking women into having sex with them. He's using a false identity to avoid a death sentence -- not because he'a trying to trick anyone into sleeping with him. It...is...just...completely...stupid...s-t-u-p-i-d when Blackwall had zero intention of falling in love with the Inquisitor and zero intention of sleeping with her in the first place.

Your character chooses to pursue him - it's not the other way around, ever. He repeatedly warns you that falling in love with him and pursuing a relationship with him is a terrible idea, but if you push it, he's only human and will ultimately give in. Now he's a man who did a - singular - terrible thing and then went through a major transformation. He never forgets what he did and doesn't want to go back to the person that he was under any circumstances. In a game where practically everyone screws up and has failings, a large part of your decisions seem to involve determining whether or not people deserve a chance at redemption after doing pretty terrible things (hello, Orlesian Wardens, Alexius, templars, mages, Fiona, etc.).

He's probably just the most challenging example because it's so personal in nature due to the PC's relationship with him, but he has truly changed from a fairly worthless example of a human being into someone who is good and who has proven himself to be legitimate in his desire to atone. Yes, he leaves after you have sex, but he leaves because he thinks he doesn't have much choice. When, really, would it have been an optimal time to go? Was he supposed to wait around and then come up with yet another lie to tell to the Inquisitor's face when he basically wants all the lies to stop at that point? He did what he did to try to spare her the grief of knowing the full truth (because it is painful) and to try to preserve her reputation because he loves the PC.

No, it's not fun to wake up naked and see that he's gone, but he didn't choose his course of action lightly. Or maybe you think that him turning himself in to save one of his remaining soldiers by publicly revealing his identity while knowing it was going to lead to his death was some sort of trivial thing? The good man that he has become is willing to take responsibility for his actions and is ready to die for what he did. No matter how much you might hate his origiinal crime (and I certainly didn't like it when I heard it), turning himself in was a brave thing to do and spoke to the kind of man that he has become.

You find out the truth during Revelations and confront him about things, with his fate ultimately being in your hands. If you free him to atone as himself and choose to continue the romance, he does not abandon you - not ever.

[Ezkiel]

Well there is drama in Dorian romance as well, actually it feels like i saw that scenario in one episode of Jerry Springer show but i guess it does end up in 'happy ending'.

Although i am completionist so i was ignoring most of my companions till later chapter and then just finishing their romance quest one by one, simply ending romance in end till last companion of choice (after getting achievement at least) so guess reason for which people play this game do differ.

But anyway if you really want happy ending romance then you should read some romance novels, game is kinda bad choice for those imo XD

Coz drama make things look more dramatic (=interesting?) XD

 

Oh and yeah, Cullen romance does end in generic happy ending so one reason could be that they wanted more variety.

[wildannie]

I support there being no forced tragedy for any romances for anyone, period.

 

I want angst, I want drama, but I also want it to be possible for it to be overcome, and I don't mind if achieving a 'happy' ending is the product of having to make difficult decisions or make correct choices that are not obviously relevant to the outcome at the time.  I just want 'happy' to be possible, it is not much fun to dedicate 130 hours in a game to finish it feeling sad.

[wildannie]

Well there is drama in Dorian romance as well, actually it feels like i saw that scenario in one episode of Jerry Springer show but i guess it does end up in 'happy ending'.

Although i am completionist so i was ignoring most of my companions till later chapter and then just finishing their romance quest one by one, simply ending romance in end till last companion of choice (after getting achievement at least) so guess reason for which people play this game do differ.

But anyway if you really want happy ending romance then you should read some romance novels, game is kinda bad choice for those imo XD

Coz drama make things look more dramatic (=interesting?) XD

 

Oh and yeah, Cullen romance does end in generic happy ending so one reason could be that they wanted more variety.

happy ending doesn't equal no drama,  there can be much drama, and still the option for something positive.

[Sister Squish]

Since there is more story to tell, I cannot shake the feeling that Cullen is going to meet a tragic end too. As if the only way Dragon Age can justify a happy romance is to have the knowledge, in the the back of your mind, that he is inevitably going to die due to his lyrium addiction (for example). 

 

My Quiz is 100% single and frustrated. 

[Ryzaki]

*snip*

Yes, he leaves after you have sex, but he leaves because he thinks he doesn't have much choice. When, really, would it have been an optimal time to go? Was he supposed to wait around and then come up with yet another lie to tell to the Inquisitor's face when he basically wants all the lies to stop at that point? He did what he did to try to spare her the grief of knowing the full truth (because it is painful) and to try to preserve her reputation because he loves the PC.

No, it's not fun to wake up naked and see that he's gone, but he didn't choose his course of action lightly. Or maybe you think that him turning himself in to save one of his remaining soldiers by publicly revealing his identity while knowing it was going to lead to his death was some sort of trivial thing? The good man that he has become is willing to take responsibility for his actions and is ready to die for what he did. No matter how much you might hate his origiinal crime (and I certainly didn't like it when I heard it), turning himself in was a brave thing to do and spoke to the kind of man that he has become.
 

 

I agree with just about everything you wrote except the last bit.

 

Ditching her after sex and rather her having think he disappeared instead of owning up to what he's done? Those are the actions of a coward. He will not admit to what he's done until she catches him red handed and that was very cowardly of him. Him finally owning up to his actions? Brave but ditching her in the barn was some straight up coward nonsense.

[Felya87]

Now that I think about it...one my preferred romance in the DA serie is Fenris. There is drama, there is a break up, but there is a happy ending for the romance too.

 

That's what I'd really like. More "drama on the way but things can still work for the better" and less "congratulations! you have played someting like 100 hours just to be left alone without a way to change things!"

[Ryzaki]

Now that I think about it...one my preferred romance in the DA serie is Fenris. There is drama, there is a break up, but there is a happy ending for the romance too.

 

That's what I'd really like. More "drama on the way but things can still work for the better" and less "congratulations! you have played someting like 100 hours just to be left alone without a way to change things!"

 

Yeah Fenris

 

The 2 years thing was stupid the ending makes up for it.

[Brass_Buckles]

We had one of these threads a couple of weeks ago... at least this one is a bit more reasonable in tone but I don't see why you can't ask for less tragedy in romances without adding the "and can't you stick it to the straight guys more" as well.  Not that I mind actually, tragic romance stories can be quite moving, but first they would have to create a female romance I actually care about and I'm not sure that's allowed anymore.

 

It's less that I want to foist it all off on the males as that I would prefer to see it evenly distributed, if there absolutely must be heartbreakers in the games.  I'm all for less heartbreak overall.  I don't hate tragedy, as I explained in various posts.  I'm okay with there being an occasional tragedy.  However, it's not evenly distributed currently, and there's far too much of it in the games that is inevitable, no matter what choices you make or what you say to the LI.

 

One of the biggest problems, though, is that it's usually a male LI and it's usually unavoidable, or else it takes a tremendous amount of choices to avoid.  While choices are great in a BioWare game, why is there nothing similar to Alistair among female LIs?

 

At the very least, if every other male LI must be a heartbreaker in some way or another (I avoid saying tragic because it implies death), make it possible for most of those events to be avoided, and don't make it ridiculously difficult to do so.  Would I like to work for my happy ending?  Yes... but I don't want it to be nearly impossible based on what choice I made in a very early quest or dialogue.  Do I think some stories probably should end in inevitable heartbreak?  Also yes, but to be honest, it'd be nice if the romance could end well even if the overall story outside of the romance does not.

 

I'm okay with some tragedy if the romance has a happy ending. As many of you already said, Morrigan is a great example, and it is no wonder she is one of fan's favourites character. She has many layers and she grows over time, which is a beautiful thing. Players were left bitter when she left, but were given the chance to end up with her anyway in a DLC.

Choice is what matters here. You want a tragic ending for your LI? Sure, Alistair could break up with you, or one of you could sacrifice for the greater good, even if still in a romance. That's perfectly fine. But you also had the option to be happy with him in the end.

DA writers know how to handle choice, they do. That's why I would be so disappointed if all of a sudden they took that away from us. And I'm not talking about "good" or "bad" choices. I don't want to burn up the world to be with Solas again, I want my Lavellan to be able to be happy with him without feeling s*** about it. I like how bittersweet Solas' romance can be so far, but it's because I hope know it's not the end of it. If it really ended like that I would just be pissed and I wouldn't want to do it ever again.

So, yes. Please, I can't handle tragedy in a romance if it's inevitable.

 

Morrigan is less tragedy, more heartbreak.  She doesn't die, after all.  And as you pointed out, players who chose to romance her still have agency, because they can buy the DLC and conclude her romance on a happy note.

 

I agree that choice is a big factor, especially since BioWare pushes choice as the most important aspect of their RPGs.

 

As for Alistair, the option to be happy with him in the end wasn't an option for mage or nonhuman Wardens who didn't harden him or become Wardens with him--and hardening his personality isn't something a lot of people probably did, in their first playthroughs.  Also, many would argue that being someone's mistress is not a happy ending, or that leaving Anora queen alone if you're an elf (because you ran off with Warden-Alistair), or forcing Alistair through the Dark Ritual in any situation, wasn't a happy ending.  And then you might have to choose between Alistair or Hawke later on, which would be an agonizing choice for a player who romanced Alistair but who genuinely enjoyed playing as Hawke.  So having a happy ending with Alistair is just TOO difficult.  I don't mind some difficulty and I don't mind hard choices, but there is no equivalent for a female LI to the number of specific choices that must be made for Alistair's romance to have a happy ending.

 

If Solas doesn't get a special DLC about him reuniting with Lavellan the way Morrigan romancers got Witch Hunt... >_>

I actually enjoy tragic romance quite a bit. I thought Solas's romance plot was AMAZING even though I am still hoping for closure via DLC.
Cullen's romance hit the sweet spot for me; just enough conflict with the lyrium addiction subplot to keep it from getting boring without going overboard. I haven't done Bull's romance yet but I hear good things about that one too.

What bothered me the most about Alistair's romance was the fact that I had to let him sleep with Morrigan. I was playing as a mage. I didn't HAVE to put him on the throne, but I chose to do it (and remain his mistress). I was OK with that part, but I definitely understand why other women would not be. Having to convince him to have sex with Morrigan was awful. Yes, I'm bitter, and I want the straight male players to have to sit through something like that. If they did, perhaps the uproar would be enough to prevent such a storyline from ever happening again?

Making it possible for Cassandra to leave the player if she becomes Divine came pretty close to a tragic romance for straight guys, but it's possible to pick dialogue options that leave the fate of your relationship open-ended, where for female players' tragic romances, this has never been an option.

I can't think of a single romancer audience that is clamoring for tragic romances, so perhaps they should be avoided altogether? Straight women are unhappy, and straight men and LGBT players don't want the tragedy foisted on them instead. If there must be a tragic romance, make it between NPCs so that the player is not personally affected by it.

 

I don't think tragedy or heartbreak should be avoided altogether.  Sometimes, it does make for an excellent story.  Some people do genuinely enjoy those kinds of stories.  I don't want to be the person who causes something enjoyable to be taken away from other people.

 

My solution is to spread it around more equally and give the player agency over whether or not most romances end in heartbreak.  Sure, one or two across 4 games who led to inevitable, foreshadowed, heartbreak would be fine.  But don't always make it the male LIs who have these inevitable heartbreaks ahead.  And, let the others who have potential heartbreak in the future be influenced by the player's decisions--though let's not make it quite as difficult to get the happy ending as Alistair's, shall we?  Because that one is pretty much to the level that it's ridiculous and nigh-inevitable.

 

I'm on board here I agree with you OP and I want to get permission to post the link to this thread to a few people at BW on twitter.

 

Tis okay with you? 

 

 

I'm an optimistic person but I don't mind a little drama in a romance as long as it has a happy ending. This giving straight ladies a tragic ending constantly is getting really old and a lot of ladies including myself are getting tired/sick of it. Thane,Anders,now Solas... *sigh*. 

 

I don't mind the link being tweeted.  I suspect they do read the feedback board, but directing them to it cannot hurt.