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[CaptainPatch]

I'm assuming that "Romance" = "got them into bed".  If that is the case, then the Tapestry section concerning Isabella is glitched.  In DA2 I _did_ manage to jump into bed with Isabella.  But later, if Isabella skips out with the Qunari relic (which she did), it nullifies the Romance with Isabella.  So either the player successfully Romance Isabella AND she sticks around for the final battle, or the player does NOT Romance Isabella (even if you jumped into bed with her) and she doesn't stick around for the final battle.

[caradoc2000]

Bedding Isabela does not equal romance with her - you can only complete a romance with her during the final quest.

[CaptainPatch]

Seems like they have to clearly define what constitutes a Romance then.

[Kantr]

Romance = Stayed with Hawke at end of game

 

It's not "Who Hawke shagged during their time in Kirkwall"

[CaptainPatch]

Romance = Stayed with Hawke at end of game

 

It's not "Who Hawke shagged during their time in Kirkwall"

Now that cannot be the entire definition.  Several Companions stick with Hawke all the way through, but with ZERO Romance involved.  Aveline for instance, who ends up marrying Donnic.  And Varrick who not once has a Flirt dialog option through the entire game.  Similarly, if Bethany joins the Circle (involuntarily), she's there with Hawke at the end.  So I believe that to qualify as an honest-to-goodness romance, there has to be a substantial amount of sexual physicality involved.  And in game terms, I think at least one shagging session is required.  [In Isabela's case, if she does jump into bed with Hawke, if she later runs off with the Qunari book, never to be seen again, means that hers was a failed Romance.]

[Aimi]

Now that cannot be the entire definition.  Several Companions stick with Hawke all the way through, but with ZERO Romance involved.  Aveline for instance, who ends up marrying Donnic.  And Varrick who not once has a Flirt dialog option through the entire game.  Similarly, if Bethany joins the Circle (involuntarily), she's there with Hawke at the end.  So I believe that to qualify as an honest-to-goodness romance, there has to be a substantial amount of sexual physicality involved.  And in game terms, I think at least one shagging session is required.  [In Isabela's case, if she does jump into bed with Hawke, if she later runs off with the Qunari book, never to be seen again, means that hers was a failed Romance.]

Yes, yes, very funny. Deliberately misconstruing comments is fun.

"At end of game" means, quite literally, the end of the game. After Meredith's defeat, Varric's narration in the epilogue states that the Champion's friends stayed with her/him for a time, but eventually they all left for one reason or another. If Hawke romanced somebody all the way through the game, Varric will add "...except [romanced character], of course." at the end, as a qualifier.

Only if the player continues the romance plot with a character all the way up to the final scene with everybody in the party at the Gallows does it register as a completed romance. That was the criterion for the Romantic achievement: finish that last conversation with Hawke's significant other. And it is the same criterion the Keep uses, as well. "Had sex with Isabela, broke it off" doesn't meet the criterion. Neither does "got teammate to the end of the game, didn't have sex or kiss or flirt or whatever".

The Keep isn't primarily for recording player choices as individual, discrete roleplaying events, although it does do a lot of that. It's primarily for creating world states for transfer to subsequent games in the series. Under those circumstances, keeping track of a romance that was broken off would be kind of pointless, and would make the Keep (and its coding) significantly more complicated, requiring significantly more assets, for little purpose. Hawke's significant other is referenced a few times in Inquisition banter, chiefly by Varric and Cassandra, in the context of "what Hawke is going to do going forward". Again, a brief, but definitely over, fling is not relevant to that conversation.

So no, the assumption in the OP is not a safe or correct assumption. "Romance" does not equal "got them into bed". "Did not romance" also does not equal "did not get them into bed".

[caradoc2000]

And Varrick who not once has a Flirt dialog option through the entire game.

Actually you can flirt with Varric. You have to take him to the Fade during Night Terrors, and get him to betray you to the pride demon (i.e. you can't have Merrill or Fenris with you). During Varric's apology quest you have the option to flirt with him.

[Natureguy85]

Isabella is a weird case as well.  I started her romance but agreed that it was just for fun, but Varric still said Isabella stayed with Hawke after the game. Because I didn't finish the the arc, I didn't get the romance achievement.