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[Lulupab]

So after seeing it with your own eyes and taking Sera with you, unless you tell her all the events at temple of Mythal was nonsense she breaks up the romance. At this point I'm sure Sera is mentally retarded, I mean I don't even hate her, here I am romancing her but even her fans should admit that she is not smart and she is what you expect an uneducated thug would be.

 

I DIDN'T do it of course as mythal and the events that happened in the temple were as real as it could get. I turned on friendly fire and tested all mage spells on her, then kicked her out of the Inquisition. 

 

I could have romanced someone else, she wasted a whole playthrough.

[rda]

Yep, she is pretty dumb. That being said, she's not a bad romance if you play an Isabella-type Inquisitor, but she's a pretty bad choice for someone who really gets into their role as Inquisitor. Sorry you didn't realize that sooner. Why not just reload, and get Morrigan to drink from the well and/or just tell Sera what she wants to hear, and playthrough next time with an LI that better fits your play style?

[Serza]

Then you understand nothing.

 

Many people will never understand her, but I already am close enough to her personality that I will not only understand, but I will know of many things.

[AlexiaRevan]

I romanced her , drunk from the well and she never broke with me...the joke is on ya . How about you quit gaming while ya still have brain power 

[Lulupab]

I romanced her , drunk from the well and she never broke with me...the joke is on ya . How about you quit gaming while ya still have brain power 

 

Drinking doesn't matter, you have to tell her it was all nonsense. If you don't she breaks up.

[Basement Cat]

Drinking doesn't matter, you have to tell her it was all nonsense. If you don't she breaks up.

Are you playing an Elf? I heard she only did that with Elves.

[Lulupab]

Then you understand nothing.

 

Many people will never understand her, but I already am close enough to her personality that I will not only understand, but I will know of many things.

 

No I understood perfectly because there was very little evidence about ancient elves and their gods. But now we know that they were actually immortal and elven gods did exist. Now she is being stupid or she has a very low IQ.

[Serza]

No I understood perfectly because there was very little evidence about ancient elves and their gods. But now we know that they were actually immortal and elven gods did exist. Now she is being stupid or she has a very low IQ.

 

Jumping to conclusions now, are you.

 

I am no fan, but you need the Qun.

I know of several Ben-Hassrath that would... know... what to do.

[ohmyzomfg]

Hmmm. Sera and I agreed to disagree on that matter. We decided to not talk about it again and went eating something. I didnot tell her that it is all demons.

[ComedicSociopathy]

No I understood perfectly because there was very little evidence about ancient elves and their gods. But now we know that they were actually immortal and elven gods did exist. Now she is being stupid or she has a very low IQ.

 

To be fair demons also happen to be immortal and have been known to be worshiped. Not saying that Sera was right in her accusation but its not a completely ridiculous notion that the elven gods are just another form of highly powerful fade creatures. 

[Basement Cat]

No I understood perfectly because there was very little evidence about ancient elves and their gods. But now we know that they were actually immortal and elven gods did exist. Now she is being stupid or she has a very low IQ.

We know something god-like existed, but the game is very vague about what they were exactly. As for being immortal, well Mythal did get murdered. A piece of her took residence in Flemeth seeking revenge, but it's difficult to know if the elven gods were spirits, mages or something else entirely.

 

As for Sera's reaction, I would attribute it more to denial than outright stupidity. She is scared of the Fade, spirits and magic. It's easier for her to cover her eyes and ears and go 'lalalala' than ponder the implications of those beings actually existing/having existed. The elven gods did exist, and most of them are gone. Are they dead? Are they trapped like the Dalish believe? If they are either of those things, what made them disappear? Is it still around? Could it turn against mortals?

 

They were gods and they were wiped out. What chance do mortals stand if that happened? 

 

About Sera being uneducated, well yeah. She is. She didn't exactly live a privileged life. She still joins the Inquisition so the world will make sense again. Her motives can be a little selfish (get things back to normal so she can play again, etc.), but she still tries.

[Colonelkillabee]

Jumping to conclusions now, are you.

 

I am no fan, but you need the Qun.

I know of several Ben-Hassrath that would... know... what to do.

???

 

You're right. You are close to Sera's personality.

[Serza]

We know something god-like existed, but the game is very vague about what they were exactly. As for being immortal, well Mythal did get murdered. A piece of her took residence in Flemeth seeking revenge, but it's difficult to know if the elven gods were spirits, mages or something else entirely.

 

As for Sera's reaction, I would attribute it more to denial than outright stupidity. She is scared of the Fade, spirits and magic. It's easier for her to cover her eyes and ears and go 'lalalala' than ponder the implications of those beings actually existing/having existed. The elven gods did exist, and most of them are gone. Are they dead? Are they trapped like the Dalish believe? If they are either of those things, what made them disappear? Is it still around? Could it turn against mortals?

 

They were gods and they were wiped out. What chance do mortals stand if that happened? 

 

About Sera being uneducated, well yeah. She is. She didn't exactly live a privileged life. She still joins the Inquisition so the world will make sense again. Her motives can be a little selfish (get things back to normal so she can play again, etc.), but she still tries.

 

I dunno, I'd ask DAx protagonist, Badass McAwesome.

 

And yes, something Godlike.

Abelas says (oh, yeah, that name translates as "Sorrow", by the way) that "to you, it may as well be so."

 

Where is your Maker now. Call down his wrath upon me. You cannot? For he does not exist!

[Colonelkillabee]

To be fair demons also happen to be immortal and have been known to be worshiped. Not saying that Sera was right in her accusation but its not a completely ridiculous notion that the elven gods are just another form of highly powerful fade creatures. 

What is a god but a very very powerful spirit/being?

[ComedicSociopathy]

What is a god but a very very powerful spirit/being?

 

An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and hopefully omnibenevolent entity. Those would be my criteria anyway, and the fact that gods managed to be fooled into a prison that they can't escape from pretty much proves they lack all three of those first characteristics. Their dickish antics in Dalish myth show they lack the last one as well.

 

Now that I think about they have more in common with the Greek Gods then the Abrahamic faiths description of an all-powerful God that can do no wrong. 

[Lulupab]

Are you playing an Elf? I heard she only did that with Elves.

 
Yeah, is it confirmed it only happens to Elves? It does make sense but it doesn't change anything to be honest. As you said its more closer than denial (which doesn't make it any less stupid) but it appears her denial is more important than the person who loves her.
 

What is a god but a very very powerful spirit/being?

After seeing Flemeth and finding out Mythal was god of Justice (also vengeance) it occurred to me there is not much difference between Anders and Flemeth, other than Mythal being stronger than Justice. Perhaps Mythal is simply the strongest spirit of Justice out there.

[Colonelkillabee]

An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and hopefully omnibenevolent entity. Those would be my criteria anyway, and the fact that gods managed to be fooled into a prison that they can't escape from pretty much proves they lack all three of those first characteristics. Their dickish antics in Dalish myth show they lack the last one as well.

 

Now that I think about they have more in common with the Greek Gods then the Abrahamic faiths description of an all-powerful God that can do no wrong. 

Yea, they're certainly not supposed to be anything on par with someone like the Maker or our Christian God. I figured that from the beginning from the elven legends. That and with the old ones themselves being what they are, and the astrariums saying they were originally elven gods.

[Lulupab]

An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and hopefully omnibenevolent entity. Those would be my criteria anyway, and the fact that gods managed to be fooled into a prison that they can't escape from pretty much proves they lack all three of those first characteristics. Their dickish antics in Dalish myth show they lack the last one as well.

 

Now that I think about they have more in common with the Greek Gods then the Abrahamic faiths description of an all-powerful God that can do no wrong. 

 

The maker doesn't seem like that too, I mean magical boogey men invaded his home. No one stops to think the Maker unleashed millions of Darkspawn on whole Thedas for something a handful of Magisters did (we can't even hold all Tevinter responsible for this). According to someone who have seen "the throne of the gods" its empty and the maker doesn't exist.

[Basement Cat]

An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and hopefully omnibenevolent entity. Those would be my criteria anyway, and the fact that gods managed to be fooled into a prison that they can't escape from pretty much proves they lack all three of those first characteristics. Their dickish antics in Dalish myth show they lack the last one as well.

 

Now that I think about they have more in common with the Greek Gods then the Abrahamic faiths description of an all-powerful God that can do no wrong. 

Even the Maker sounds closer to one of the old Greek gods, what with abandoning creation and all. I'm not sure which mythology says the creator god is actually the world itself? As in his body is the world. Maybe that's the Maker's deal in this case. He isn't gone. He's Thedas.

[ComedicSociopathy]

 

After seeing Flemeth and finding out Mythal was god of Justice (also vengeance) it occurred to me there is not much difference between Anders and Flemeth, other than Mythal being stronger than Justice. Perhaps Mythal is simply the strongest spirit of Justice out there.

 

Why is that whenever a Spirit of Justice merges with a human they tend to go crazy and plan some mad attempt to have vengeance. Is sort of becoming a real problem for Thedas.

[Colonelkillabee]

Even the Maker sounds closer to one of the old Greek gods, what with abandoning creation and all. I'm not sure which mythology says the creator god is actually the world itself? As in his body is the world. Maybe that's the Maker's deal in this case. He isn't gone. He's Thedas.

I had a similar idea once:

 

http://forum.bioware...tme/?p=18123792

 

Not my fav personal theory anymore, but still.

[Basement Cat]

Why is that whenever a Spirit of Justice merges with a human they tend to go crazy and plan some mad attempt to have vengeance. Is sort of becoming a real problem for Thedas.

I think the crucial question here is just who does Mythal want revenge against? If it's against the world that allowed her to die...

[Lulupab]

Why is that whenever a Spirit of Justice merges with a human they tend to go crazy and plan some mad attempt to have vengeance. Is sort of becoming a real problem for Thedas.

 

Because if Solas is any judge, a spirit will change (not in a good way) if it cannot reach its purpose. There is no Justice in Thedas, mages, elves etc... all suffer without anyone caring. Seeing this alone will enrage a spirit of Justice into Vengeance.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Yea, they're certainly not supposed to be anything on par with someone like the Maker or our Christian God. I figured that from the beginning from the elven legends. That and with the old ones themselves being what they are, and the astrariums saying they were originally elven gods.

 

The maker doesn't seem like that too, I mean magical boogey men invaded his home. No one stops to think the Maker unleashed millions of Darkspawn on whole Thedas for something a handful of Magisters did (we can't even hold all Tevinter responsible for this). According to someone who have seen "the throne of the gods" its empty and the maker doesn't exist.

 

Even the Maker sounds closer to one of the old Greek gods, what with abandoning creation and all. I'm not sure which mythology says the creator god is actually the world itself? As in his body is the world. Maybe that's the Maker's deal in this case. He isn't gone. He's Thedas.

 

Which is why I don't consider the Maker or the elven pantheon actually gods. Maybe my criteria for actually divinity is to high but if I'm going to devote my life to worshiping something then it better me utterly flawless, powerful, kind and most importantly clearly present in the world.  

 

People have to have standards when it comes to their religion after all. 

[fhs33721]

Honestly, for all we know she might actually be right with the "demon-worship" part. The elven gods were real and immortal, but so are demons and spirits. Also apparently they can switch bodies just like spirits/demons. Furthermore the various codex entries on Mythal give me a Spirit of justice vibe followed by Felemeths dialog were she talks about vengeance. We have kind of heard that before. Might very well be that Mythal has become a demon by now.

So basically as it is the demon-worship theory from Sera might be spot (she still behaves kind of d*ckish to elfs though).

 

Why is that whenever a Spirit of Justice merges with a human they tend to go crazy and plan some mad attempt to have vengeance. Is sort of becoming a real problem for Thedas.

In this case It might very well be that Mythal already became warped by vengeance for being murdered before merging with Flemeth.