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I had a similar idea once:

 

http://forum.bioware...tme/?p=18123792

 

Not my fav personal theory anymore, but still.

Interesting. The fact that lyrium exposure suppresses magic and the ability to dream makes me wonder... People with the strongest connection to the Fade are mages while people with no connection whatsoever are resistant to magic. I wonder if we are dealing with a dual-deity system here? God and the Devil so to speak. Interesting reversal in 'hell' being in the sky (hey, that's where the Breach opened...) and 'heaven' being in the ground.

 

There was a theory floating around that lyrium was the 'Maker's blood'. It would certainly bring a new disturbing spin on magic.



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Which is why I don't consider the Maker or the elven pantheon actually gods. Maybe my criteria for actually divinity is to high but if I'm going to devote my life to worshiping something then it better me utterly flawless, powerful, kind and most importantly clearly present in the world.  

 

People have to have standards when it comes to their religion after all.  :P

But then, if the Creator is flawless how can his creation be flawed? And if it was on purpose, to what end? To test who was worthy? That's not all loving. Because it amuses him? That's cruel. Because he's busy elsewhere? That's careless.

 

The creator cannot be perfect! (I am being facetious) :P



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Because if Solas is any judge, a spirit will change (not in a good way) if it cannot reach its purpose. There is no Justice in Thedas, mages, elves etc... all suffer without anyone caring. Seeing this alone will enrage a spirit of Justice into Vengeance.

 

That spirit needs to take a lesson from Isabelle and realize that turning into a vengeance seeking terrorist is probably going to do nothing but create more demands for vengeance in the world. Better yet take a lesson from Cole and learn how to keep your pure. The alternative has been shown to be highly self-destructive.



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That spirit needs to take a lesson from Isabelle and realize that turning into a vengeance seeking terrorist is probably going to do nothing but create more demands for vengeance in the world. Better yet take a lesson from Cole and learn how to keep your pure. The alternative has been shown to be highly self-destructive.

 

True but maybe it has do with the emotion as well. Pure compassion can exist in Thedas, Justice can't.



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But then, if the Creator is flawless how can his creation be flawed? And if it was on purpose, to what end? To test who was worthy? That's not all loving. Because it amuses him? That's cruel. Because he's busy elsewhere? That's careless.

 

The creator cannot be perfect! (I am being facetious) :P

 

Priest: Damn! That's a really good question. How should the clergy responded.

High Priest: Uh... tell them the Creator works in mysterious ways? 

Priest: What! That's not even answer, no one will buy that.

High Priest: Trust me on this. This religion crap is like the opium of the masses, they shallow it and beg for more!


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The Maker is a deist god. Not theist.

 

Missing verses from the Chant of Light:

 

So when you see me on your block

with two glocks

Screaming **** the World like Tupac

I just don't give a ****


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Sometimes in relationships you have to say it with a straight face.

  • Yes darling, all those demons were highly suspect...

Friendly kissing time maintained...



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She is literately the dumb blonde crazy ex gf.



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An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and hopefully omnibenevolent entity. Those would be my criteria anyway, and the fact that gods managed to be fooled into a prison that they can't escape from pretty much proves they lack all three of those first characteristics. Their dickish antics in Dalish myth show they lack the last one as well.

 

Now that I think about they have more in common with the Greek Gods then the Abrahamic faiths description of an all-powerful God that can do no wrong. 

I would not use that as my defination of what a god is. Then again bein that I worship the various greek gods and goddesses, I have a slightly different perspective then other people who view the defination through a monotheistic lens. If the Elven gods and goddess turn out to be some form of spirit, to me that would not discount them of being a god or goddess IMO


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If it can be killed, if it can be fooled, then why is it worth worshipping again? 


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To pursue the matter of Sera's reaction further. Her choice of phrasing is interesting here: she says the elven gods can't be real, because there is no room for both them and the Maker. While it's tempting to ask why that is exactly, it leads to the possible break up with an elf inquisitor. Sera hates to be identified as an elf because people tend to use that to excuse all kinds of behaviors. This guy is a douche? Well, he's an elf so you gotta stick with him. Because elves gotta stick together. This guy's ok? Well, he's human, so we don't care. Humans are not our people. You're ok? Well, you're an elf so we humans gotta be wary. Because elves hate humans. Etc. etc.

 

This 'us against them' mentality is common in both Dalish and city elves. Remember in Origins how some of the Alienage elves looked down on those who integrated into human culture to better their lot in life. Sera tries, and admittedly often fails, not to take race into account. You're either decent or you're not. She has a sort of counter prejudice going on, if you will. Still, she works past it when she gets to know people. Now, the religious point:

 

Sera is Andrastian while the elf inquisitor is Dalish. Sera is not particularly devout, but she believes. Her ultimatum works on two levels: on the one hand, she is forcing an elf inquisitor to choose between her and their heritage. That's a pretty nasty thing to do, but again her choice of phrase is interesting: there isn't room for both. She believes that the elf inquisitor cannot accept her, Sera, and her Andrastian beliefs as well as their own. (In a contrast to Cassandra who asks if there is room for the Maker among the elven gods very early in the game. Foreshadowing!).

 

Is it mature of Sera to do this? No.

Is it selfish? Yes.

Is it unreasonable to ask her to take all this information in stride after a lifetime of Chantry doctrine, limited education and life experience? Yes.

 

It's possible that with time she will be more receptive to the idea, but think about what happens in this game: the sky is torn open, an ancient darkspawn magister shows up, red lyrium and she potentially goes physically into the Fade or at least her friend/lover does (twice). At the point she reaches the temple of Mythal, it's entirely possible that she's just going "please don't add anything more to the mess the world has become. I can't take it."

 

It's a defensive reaction. She was so utterly unprepared for all that happened and she isn't able to process it. She needs something solid to hold onto. She chooses to cling to her faith (surprising for her, but hey). If her lover can't accept that, well, she breaks up (for an elf at least). It's a strong knee jerk reaction and it sucks to be on the receiving end, but I think Sera just needs more time to process everything. (expanded interaction DLC, Bioware? Pretty please?)

 

TL;DR: Sera needs a hug.


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the only level of uneducated-ness that can be attributed to Sera is perhaps a university level. if you think her operaring within Red Jenny and still being alive is a dumb person making smart decisions, I can't help you there. She's no brainiac but she is not uneducated. that's an unfair unassessment. And her fans, like me, do call her out on her bias. Fear guided her reaction to the Temple of Mythal quest. That's it. And what more would you expect given that she's been upfront about her take on demons and such wayyy before this mission even occurs?
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the only level of uneducated-ness that can be attributed to Sera is perhaps a university level. if you think her operaring within Red Jenny and still being alive is a dumb person making smart decisions, I can't help you there. She's no brainiac but she is not uneducated. that's an unfair unassessment. And her fans, like me, do call her out on her bias. Fear guided her reaction to the Temple of Mythal quest. That's it. And what more would you expect given that she's been upfront about her take on demons and such wayyy before this mission even occurs?

Uneducated meaning 'formal education', also known as being 'book dumb'. Sure she can read, but she's more street smart than book smart.



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That's what I meant by 'university level'. Sure that can be said but to me that is also a cop out. A formal education doesn't guarentee a person is more smart. More likely to obtain some stuffed suit job or other perhaps but def not more smart. This is real world experience i'm typing from as well.

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The inquisitor doesn't have to believe it's nonsense. Sera wanted to think it was nonsense and wanted the inquisitor to let her. From what I gathered she didn't give a crap about the inquisitor's actual thoughts.
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Sera's just a kid. Kids usually grow up and realize the folly of their actions later on. Sera's probably going to do the same as well, because that tends to be a common trait for most Dragon Age companions. 

 

- Blackwall was a murderer who killed innocent children for a quick buck but later in life realized the horror of his actions.

- When Cassandra was young she despised all mages after her brother was killed, and wanted to be a templar so she could probably  exact her revenge and anger against some poor Circle mages who nothing to do with her brother death but happened to be mages. Eventually through she grew up and realized the folly of her rage.

- Cole was a serial killer who killed countless Circle mages because he thought he was being compassionate by doing so. But guess what? He learned that was wrong and grew up after being given time to properly understand the morality of his actions.

- Cullen practically supported the tranquil solution in Dragon Age 2 and flat said he considered mages to not be people but by Inquisition he had the revelation that he and Meredith were wrong that mages needed to protected like everyone else. 

- Even wise Solas can look back at his past actions and come to the conclusion that his rebellious youth was misguided (it took him about 1400 years but better late then never) and only made the lives of the people he was trying to protect worse. 

 

I'll reiterate, Sera is just some young twenty something kid with no real direction who doesn't even know who she is yet, and as consequence of that inexperience she's going to make decisions that are immature, because quite frankly she is literally immature and native to the world. That doesn't necessarily excuse her actions but along with her childhood I think it does somewhat explain them better then the "she just a moron" conclusion.

 

So, yeah, Sera's an ignorant kid whose probably going to be a somewhat decent adult that's going to look back at her younger self and say, "Wow, I was fill of shite."

 

That said, if you don't want to romance her because she's getting your nerves, I understand and hate her more negative qualities as well, its just that I can look past that and admire the few moments when she does manage to be reflective. Also I find her somewhat amusing at times.  


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That's what I meant by 'university level'. Sure that can be said but to me that is also a cop out. A formal education doesn't guarentee a person is more smart. More likely to obtain some stuffed suit job or other perhaps but def not more smart. This is real world experience i'm typing from as well.

University is a double edged sword. Don't have a degree? Can't get that stuffed suit job. Got a degree? Can't get a regular job because you're 'over qualified'. Personal experience here too.

 

Anyway. I think Sera made an interesting point in a convo with Cassandra.

 

Sera: What do you think some stable boy sees?(when he looks at you)

 

Cassandra: (as though stating an obvious fact) A Seeker on the side of righteousness.

 

Sera: Here's what I learned in the alleys. Aagh! Mages! Aagh! Templars! Aagh! Tevinters! Aagh! Hungry! When you're little, everything is 'aagh!'.


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The inquisitor doesn't have to believe it's nonsense. Sera wanted to think it was nonsense and wanted the inquisitor to let her. From what I gathered she didn't give a crap about the inquisitor's actual thoughts.

Lack of empathy is one of her chief failings. Sera is not the best person to discuss religion with. 



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she pointed a drawn bow at me

 

such behavior needs to be made an example of



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No I understood perfectly because there was very little evidence about ancient elves and their gods. But now we know that they were actually immortal and elven gods did exist. Now she is being stupid or she has a very low IQ.

No, it calls her world view into question in a way she can't handle. She doesn't see how multiple gods can exist at the same time, so to her, it's like saying that there's no maker, which is devastating to her. My inquisitor didn't romance her (male and way too serious anyway), but she got him to lighten up from time to time, which was a nice break for him. You just can't expect large amounts of personal change from her. She's not at all flexible and is easily threatend

Thing is, you probably should have seen something like this coming. She's highly judgemental, rash and never thinks about the other guy's pov. You had to know your first fight would be a doozy. ;)
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TL;DR: Sera needs a hug.

 

Sten: No.


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she pointed a drawn bow at me

 

such behavior needs to be made an example of

 

As you command.

 

*loosens arrow*



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*snip*

 

Lol "proof". Sera knows as much as we do. We don't even know they're gods at all. So lol no, it's not proof enough.


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Lol "proof". Sera knows as much as we do. We don't even know they're gods at all. So lol no, it's not proof enough.

I bet she said the same thing when people told her about gravity.



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Which would explain that avatar of yours.

 

lolololololol