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[Ithurael]

ME3's ending explained.

 

Lazy writing mixed with lack of development time combined with lack of planning for the trilogy as a whole.

 

Done.

 

Word of God....Literally

 

/thread

[God]

Creationists 1. Atheists 0.

[Alamar2078]

@Burak:  Honestly if I were more openminded what brains I happen to have left would fall out.  I try hard to look at as many POVs that I can consider before engaging in a discussion esp. when I'm talking to someone I disagree with.

 

For me I have enough evidence of bad story crafting to go with that as an explanation.  To you it doesn't fly and that's fine.  IMHO if someone rules out "bad story crafting" then IT is the next best explanation.

[SwobyJ]

ME3's ending explained.

 

Lazy writing mixed with lack of development time combined with lack of planning for the trilogy as a whole.

 

Done.

 

Even with all my theories, I still trend towards this explanation, even if just partially.

 

I still have optimism, but hey, its game development.

[Alamar2078]

@Burak:  Plenty of folks have been talking about the problems with the story as a whole and specifically the endings for a long time.  IIRC after the game released there was a sticky thread about feedback so BW could react to fans concerns.  IMHO there were plenty of recommendations on how to put lipstick on the pig but they chose the route of clarification and bypassed opportunities to more aggressively address the issues involved.

 

My personal [biased?] reading of the situation BW knew good & well that they did a poor job and got uber defensive about the whole situation.  That's when the aggressive stance about artistic vision and similar became the mantra and is why we got "clarification" as if we didn't understand their genius.

 

FYI:  No I'm not still bitter about this

[Alamar2078]

You do have a good point.  BW was caught between a rock & a hard place.  At this point it doesn't matter much ... all we can hope is that BW and the gaming public have learned from the event.

[God]

You do have a good point.  BW was caught between a rock & a hard place.  At this point it doesn't matter much ... all we can hope is that BW and the gaming public have learned from the event.

 

What's the gaming public? You mean the consumer's? What do they have to learn? 

 

Well, I suppose they learned not to mindlessly hype the games they buy. High expectations made it impossible for ME3 to come through, even if most of the flaws didn't exist.

[Alamar2078]

@God:  Lessons the gaming public [and I] should learn is:

 

1.  BW garnered not just blind loyalty from me but blind fanboyism.  I thought they COULDN'T make a mistake, I bought all of their pre-marketing hype, etc.  Shame on me because I knew better but I didn't ACT better.

 

2.  Hopefully the consumers will shy away from ANY company's preorders and wait for trusted reviews and similar to come in before they "vote with the wallets".

 

With the above items there's much more incentive for developers & publishers to wait to release a game until "it's ready" and hopefully we won't see abortions at launch with promises to "fix it later".   This still wouldn't have rescued BW because of their poor planning of the overall story arch BUT I believe that they could have done better with ME3 than they wound up doing ...

[Paulomedi]

God, on 10 Jan 2015 - 6:42 PM, said:

ME3's ending explained.

 

Lazy writing mixed with lack of development time combined with lack of planning for the trilogy as a whole.

 

Done.

 

 

 

Ditto.

[Valmar]

Most software gets released and then supported for a number of years with patches and such. Not just with games, but any software. I don't know much about QA, but you should talk to Ninja Stan (Stanley Woo) if you want to know why they don't fully test things. He was a QA tester for Bioware for some time.

 

They are taking more time with the next game, and I read something about them having the games more stable through development. Instead of doing all the testing at the end, they'll make sure it is stable the whole way through.

 

The remastered version of the trilogy is rumored to have bugs fixed that weren't touched in the original.

 

Wait, there's a remastered version of the trilogy? Or are we just talking about the PC version?

[Valmar]

 

No, the current PC version of the trilogy is a console-port. Remastering implies taking every texture in the game and redoing it in high definition. Same goes for the in-game movies (eg. the breath scene is not a cutscene, it's an actual pre-rendered movie). This is still a work in progress. They haven't released the remastered version yet. Working on it.

 

Yes, I know, but some might consider the PC trilogy a remastering since it's comparatively and relatively better than the console versions it comes from in terms of resolution, framerate and performance. As someone who played the trilogy on both PS3 and PC I can tell you that the the PC version DEFINITELY felt like a superior product, even though it was sorely lacking in gamepad support.

 

I know it isn't an remastering, which is why I was asking if that was the context for which you meant it. "Or are we just talking about the pc version." I was implying that if you meant the PC version I don't view it as a 'remastering' - for the reasons you bring up.

 

Anywho, last I checked, there was never any announcement of a 'remastering' of the trilogy being confirmed. It was humored and talked about as a possibility but they never confirmed it was on the agenda, that I'm aware of. I'd love to see your source saying they're working on it currently. I know they've talked about it and tried to gauge the fan interest in the idea, but never actually said they were actually working on it. It always was "if we were to make it, what do you want in it" type of conversation.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a remastering. I'm just not about to get my hopes up for something they haven't actually confirmed to be in the making.

[Alamar2078]

Let me know when there's a remastered AND reimagined version and then we'll talk

[TMA LIVE]

With Extended Cut, if there's an explanation, it's really a simple one. It's AI gone bad on a huge scale, where it was programmed to solve a problem it could never solve, so it tried to control it in the most horrible way possible. Simple as that. Just a backstory, and a very simple one. Why is it forcing you to make those 3 choices? The answer is, it's not. Those are simply the choices the Leviathans built into the crucible (by influencing another species to do so), because those choices serve their own purpose. The Catalyst is simply allowing you to make those choices because they also serve it's own objective (even if destroy is only a temporarily solution), and because it can't make the choice. It needs a meat bag to pick it, because that's how the Leviathans has it designed. If you wanted the crucible to do something else, you should've built a better crucible, or better yet, actually build something you know what you're building. Because that's bad part of messing with technology you don't fully understand, and probably the main theme of ME. From Mass Relays, to Prothean Tech, to Reaper Tech, and now this thing you put all your hope into that later turned against you.

[Alamar2078]

@Burak:  I don't expect BW to EVER re-write the ending or the content of their other games they've already made.  The time that I hoped for anything even remotely resembling that passed a LONG time ago [pre-EC].  Economic issues aside reimagining a series this recent would be admitting to a mistake and I simply don't believe that BW / EA would do that even IF they internally knew they made HUGE mistake(s).

 

On the other hand IF a remastered AND reminagined edition of ME1-3 were released that logically built towards an ending [even the ending we have currently] then I think we'd have something to talk about.  While I'm not a fan of the ending at face value [or even IT or other interpretations] that is mostly because the prior 99% of the games didn't build well towards those endings.  If you fix the overall story arch so that the events, tone, themes, etc. lead towards the endings [whatever is chosen] then I'd be much happier with the end result.

 

And yes I would be happy to pay 100 US $ [maybe more] for a 3 Blu-Ray edition or similar esp. if the reimagining and remastering was done well.

[TMA LIVE]

@Burak:  I don't expect BW to EVER re-write the ending or the content of their other games they've already made.  The time that I hoped for anything even remotely resembling that passed a LONG time ago [pre-EC].  Economic issues aside reimagining a series this recent would be admitting to a mistake and I simply don't believe that BW / EA would do that even IF they internally knew they made HUGE mistake(s).

 

On the other hand IF a remastered AND reminagined edition of ME1-3 were released that logically built towards an ending [even the ending we have currently] then I think we'd have something to talk about.  While I'm not a fan of the ending at face value [or even IT or other interpretations] that is mostly because the prior 99% of the games didn't build well towards those endings.  If you fix the overall story arch so that the events, tone, themes, etc. lead towards the endings [whatever is chosen] then I'd be much happier with the end result.

 

And yes I would be happy to pay 100 US $ [maybe more] for a 3 Blu-Ray edition or similar esp. if the reimagining and remastering was done well.

I'm more hoping for a reboot, similar to what Marvel does. Just make a Mass Effect Ultimate Universe trilogy with a new team who can actually plan ahead. Because now that the old trilogy is out of the way, they can properly set things up, or change what didn't work. Maybe even go back to Drew's original concept for Dark Energy.

 

That way, fans can be fans of old trilogy and new trilogy.

[Alamar2078]

@TMA:  I would certainly buy into your idea but, as I said before, I don't care as much about what endings the devs come up with as much as I care about the overall story arch building towards the endings in question in a logical and consistent manner.  If they can manage to throw in meaningful choices or especially what appears to be divergent plotlines then all the better.  By some miracle if it all comes together then I think you have a candidate for "all time best computer RPG series".

[TMA LIVE]

@TMA:  I would certainly buy into your idea but, as I said before, I don't care as much about what endings the devs come up with as much as I care about the overall story arch building towards the endings in question in a logical and consistent manner.  If they can manage to throw in meaningful choices or especially what appears to be divergent plotlines then all the better.  By some miracle if it all comes together then I think you have a candidate for "all time best computer RPG series".

You'd hope they could. I just don't see it happening in Bioware's current future. I except ME4 to have it's own narrative issues that don't add up judging by how DA:I came together. It seems like it doesn't really matter who writes it, or what is being written. The issue seems to be the process on how they develop their stories while making the game. At least that seems to be the gist I get from Drew when he talks about his experience writing for Bioware:

 

"When it all comes together - voice acting, digital acting, writing, music - we get amazing stuff, like the Sovereign conversation in Mass Effect 1. But it's also harder as a writer to maintain creative control - the more elements that are involved, the more people you have putting their stamp on it. That's great when it works, but it can also be frustrating. And it's much, much more expensive, which is why an old-school game like Baldur's Gate 2 could never be made with full voice acting - there's too much dialogue, and the budget would break any studio."

[Alamar2078]

I'm not saying it will happen and I think it borders on impossible that it would happen anytime soon [decades].  In the unlikely event that there was a remastered & reimagined initial trilogy I'd be interested.