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[dragonflight288]

Anders isn't even in Kirkwall (and he knows it). It's about purging the evil from that city.

 

Which only seems to exist if Anders lives?

[Steelcan]

>letting Anders live

[Catche Jagger]

Easy solution: Kill Anders.


You're welcome.

[Ahalvern]

Regardless of it being a personal vendetta or justice the point stands that Sebastian is the best thing for Kirkwall. If you help him Kirkwall is taken with minimal resistance because of the Inquisition's help. 

 

Stop acting like Sebastian turns it into a river of blood because you like Anders.

 

Uh, nice assumption. Anders isn't even one of my favourite characters. The point is, Sebastian has no business being there. Just because a fugitive was denied execution, he has no right to invade a whole city out of petty revenge.

[Lulupab]

Supporting an terrorist abomination proves how crazy you are. Take it as a joke.

 

I shall take it as joke, but its not like I have taken same statements from others and they were quite serious.

 

My Hawke took the words from my mouth, Anders was both a monster and a hero. Solas says "Sometimes to achieve the world one desires, one must take regrettable measures". Ironically no matter which ending you choose mages get better lives, its a matter of how much better, its is definitely better in all cases. People died for it, like they died for Andraste. The Templars also get what they had coming. They either get fully disbanded, become glorified watch dogs and completely leashed, or become remade from their very core.

[Zered]

I kind of always wanted to team up with the Qunari and burn the place to the ground.

 

Good thing I can help Seb at this.

 

 

Ironically no matter which ending you choose mages get better lives, its a matter of how much better, its is definitely better in all cases.

You mean selling themselves to a Magister and later getting owned by the Inquisition?

 

edit: ah you meant endgame. Sure, those that follow Fiona to a new rebellion will sure get a better life.

[Steelcan]

I shall take it as joke, but its not like I have taken same statements from others and they were quite serious.

 

My Hawke took the words from my mouth, Anders was both a monster and a hero. Solas says "Sometimes to achieve the world one desires, one must take regrettable measures". Ironically no matter which ending you choose mages get better lives, its a matter of how much better, its is definitely better in all cases. People died for it, like they died for Andraste. The Templars also get what they had coming. They either get fully disbanded, become glorified watch dogs and completely leashed, or become remade from their very core.

Anders was fine, accepting a spirit into himself and corrupting into a demon is what made him a monster.

 

Yes, the templars make out so poorly in the endings, ending lyirum addiction, serving in the Inquisition with distinction as the Inquisitor's personal guard, going back to their sacred duties.....

 

so horrid

[Kallas_br123]

actually a free city conquered by a foreign nation, the repercussion would be terrible long-term, the citizens of kirkwall never accept the conquest at least not in this generation that would WHAT, a 2-3 decades of deaths, riots, killings. leave the city in the hands of Aveline is the best choice especially if the Inquisition support a new elected visconte to the city.

 

Sorry bad english

[Lulupab]

Anders was fine, accepting a spirit into himself and corrupting into a demon is what made him a monster.

 

Yes, the templars make out so poorly in the endings, ending lyirum addiction, serving in the Inquisition with distinction as the Inquisitor's personal guard, going back to their sacred duties.....

 

so horrid

 

They only go back to their "sacred duties" when Cassandra becomes the divine, even then with dozens of reforms among their ranks. Vivienne makes them like Tevinter Templars. Leashed and kept as glorified watchdogs and released only when something is wrong and they are needed. So holy, so glorious, wow. Leliana removes them from existence. Compared to absolute freedom, or getting Fiona's initial vote in effect which is what Vivienne is doing, Templars are getting the stick. Vivienne gives mages a lot of freedom inside the circles and they are allowed to look after themselves.

 

Also if we think Solas is right, Justice was corrupted because he couldn't reach his purpose. If a spirit of Justice cannot see Justice done, it will change and not in a good way.

[Ahalvern]

When a city has corruption enough to make Gotham City blush I'd say they're better off right or no. Hell, at the end of Act II I wanted to leave that **** hole with Bethany and the Wardens and let the Arishok handle his business.

 

Anything would be better for Kirkwall other than it's current state - even destruction. A benign coup/invasion is the equivalent of the Maker's intervention as far as I'm concerned.

 

Where is it said that Kirkwall is not in a good situation btw? I assumed after the epilogue of DAII especially when we solve the mage-templar war in DAI things are slowly building back to normal. I trust Aveline is doing her best, that woman is nothing if not determined. We fix most of the corruption in Kirkwall with Hawke. So they would indeed be better off without a foreign invasion messing things up again.

[Ahalvern]

LOLOLOL

 

Hawke and Aveline are responsible if not enabling of most of the corruption in Kirkwall. I don't feel like posting a wall 'o text. Where's Dean the Young when you need him?

 

Umm what? Solving problems is enabling them now?

[Steelcan]

They only go back to their "sacred duties" when Cassandra becomes the divine, even then with dozens of reforms among their ranks. Vivienne makes them like Tevinter Templars. Leashed and kept as glorified watchdogs and released only when something is wrong and they are needed. So holy, so glorious, wow. Leliana removes them from existence. Compared to absolute freedom, or getting Fiona's initial vote in effect which is what Vivienne is doing, Templars are getting the stick. Vivienne gives mages a lot of freedom inside the circles and they are allowed to look after themselves.

 

Also if we think Solas is right, Justice was corrupted because he couldn't reach his purpose. If a spirit of Justice cannot see Justice done, it will change and not in a good way.

Except Vivienne doesn't make them stop using lyriu so they aren't like Tevinter templars.  Making them watch over mages only being used when sh*t hits the fan is what they were always supposed to be,s o i don't see your point in that.  Leliana isn't even worth considering, Mary Sue's bending the logic of the world to a point beyond recognition get no consideration from me.

 

None of that changes that Justice became a demon of Vengeance after merging with Anders

[Steelcan]

Umm what? Solving problems is enabling them now?

yes, Hawke is well known for solving problems and not making them exponentially worse

[Fredward]

My Inquisitor had no way to know he was such an asinine ****** when he helped him out, I did ofc but I wanted to see how that played out.

[Steelcan]

After some thinking the ONLY way Divine Soft!Leliana works if you went through the considerable of making the Inquisition a diplomatic entity. That means "Josephine - Do Everything". 

 

I always get military/espionage Inquisition and I suspect it's the same for most people since Josephine has the least amount of recruitable agents.

Cullen has like eight, including Barris, his are obviously best

[Jaison1986]

When a city has corruption enough to make Gotham City blush I'd say they're better off right or no. Hell, at the end of Act II I wanted to leave that **** hole with Bethany and the Wardens and let the Arishok handle his business.

 

Anything would be better for Kirkwall other than it's current state - even destruction. A benign coup/invasion is the equivalent of the Maker's intervention as far as I'm concerned.

 

While I don't care about Kirkwall, I would be mad to support that zealot in an campaign that will likely result in my old friend getting killed. If it were to me, I would make the Vael family vanish for good.

[Ahalvern]

yes, Hawke is well known for solving problems and not making them exponentially worse

 

Ok, you guys are s***ing with me now. Plot demands that things evolve and get worse. I'm not gonna hold Hawke and Aveline responsible for it when they're trying to make things right (and they mostly succeeded).

[Steelcan]

Ok, you guys are s***ing with me now. Plot demands that things evolve and get worse. I'm not gonna hold Hawke and Aveline responsible for it when they're trying to make things right (and they mostly succeeded).

Plot also demands that some sense of resolution be given, but now at the end of DA2 Hawke has fled, sh*t has firmly hit the fan and the world order has been thrown into chaos

 

Hawke utterly failed in everything he attmepted, beyond trying to get into pants I suppose.  he tried to keep the peace with Qunari and Kirkwall, failed, he tried to protect his family, failed, he tried to keep templars and mages from coming to open war, absolutely failed

[Lintton]

Prince Sebastian doesn't deserve to have good things happen to him. He is a toady.

[Lintton]

Sorry, double post.