Nothing happens to her. She backs down and helps Sebastian if the Inquisition supports him.
Yea but we're talking about Hawke. Anders kept his plans from him/her. Hawke tried to restore order.
As for Cory, sh*t happens. You can't prevent a catastrophe every time, especially if that catastrophe is an ancient immortal Darkspawn magister. Again in that case, he/she tried to kill the bastard. And again, that goes back to the fate thing, because Hawke's father was involved in this whole mess to begin with. So, plot happens. As I said.
Hawke let Anders stay out of a Circle, and he knew Anders was possessed. Hawke also only really tries to restore order if you side with the Templars
It still doesn't make him less of a screw up
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Hawke let Anders stay out of a Circle, and he knew Anders was possessed. Hawke also only really tries to restore order if you side with the Templars
It still doesn't make him less of a screw up
I'm not sure a Circle would've done anything for him. Angry young mage dudes merged with traumatized Fade spirits don't last long in the Gallows. Hawke should've offed him in Act II.
I'm not sure a Circle would've done anything for him. Angry young mage dudes merged with traumatized Fade spirits don't last long in the Gallows. Hawke should've offed him in Act II.
he would have likely been made tranquil, no issues after that
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he would have likely been made tranquil, no issues after that
Doesn't work on him for the same reason it doesn't work on Seekers.
I'm not sure a Circle would've done anything for him. Angry young mage dudes merged with traumatized Fade spirits don't last long in the Gallows. Hawke should've offed him in Act II.
Well, if there was an option to ask Aveline to arrest Anders in act 3 if you refuse to help him get into the Chantry, I would have taken it, but alas, Bioware loves to restrict my options.
Doesn't work on him for the same reason it doesn't work on Seekers.
has it been tried?
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has it been tried?
Considering he reversed Karl's tranquility just by standing next to him I'd say it wouldn't work. Even if Justice/Vengeance jumped ship I'm pretty sure it left a permanent Fade tat on his brain which (as far as we know) is how Seekers are made.
Hawke let Anders stay out of a Circle, and he knew Anders was possessed. Hawke also only really tries to restore order if you side with the Templars
It still doesn't make him less of a screw up
Uhh butchering innocent mages is not in my definition of "restoring order". I meant solving the inevitable crisis in the city.
I'll give you not being able to expose Anders as a mage though, but that would have created a whole mess of problems. Why not turn in Merrill too then, she practices blood magic? The game had to go one single way with the big plot events.
Also hate to repeat myself but interesting to see that events could be interpreted so differently by a lot of people. In my view Hawke was brave and heroic for what they had to deal with.
Uhh butchering innocent mages is not in my definition of "restoring order". I meant solving the inevitable crisis in the city.
I'll give you not being able to expose Anders as a mage though, but that would have created a whole mess of problems. Why not turn in Merrill too then, she practices blood magic? The game had to go one single way with the big plot events.
Also hate to repeat myself but interesting to see that events could be interpreted so differently by a lot of people. In my view Hawke was brave and heroic for what they had to deal with.
I didn't say it'd be a particularly enjoyable way to restore order
Hawke was certainly brave and heroic, so was Robb Stark
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Uhh butchering innocent mages is not in my definition of "restoring order". I meant solving the inevitable crisis in the city.
I'll give you not being able to expose Anders as a mage though, but that would have created a whole mess of problems. Why not turn in Merrill too then, she practices blood magic? The game had to go one single way with the big plot events.
Also hate to repeat myself but interesting to see that events could be interpreted so differently by a lot of people. In my view Hawke was brave and heroic for what they had to deal with.
IMO Hawke was a lackadaisical bum who only got involved in world shaking events at the last possible minute and only then due to some personal stake. And more often than not involving him/herself at the last possible minute made things worse instead of better.
Mother Petrice and the Kirkwall Killer are the prime examples here. Three years of willful apathy and his mother gets murdered and the Qunari invade.
Hawke was certainly brave and heroic, so was Robb Stark
Heh, good point.
Anders was given a healer angle to make him more humane and it does work, he heals possibly thousands of people without thought for money or any personal gain. If he didn't have that then yes Hawke could be blamed for allying with Anders. Hawke himself explains Anders perfectly with one word. "Complicated". The word couldn't be used any better.
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Anders was given a healer angle to make him more humane and it does work, he heals possibly thousands of people without thought for money or any personal gain. If he didn't have that then yes Hawke could be blamed for allying with Anders. Hawke himself explains Anders perfectly with one word. "Complicated". The word couldn't be used any better.
You don't understand. Anders was never Anders. It was Angry Anders multiplied by Justice turned Vengeance. The only Anders I remember is that scampish mage that escaped from the Circle seven times. He bottled his anger, but for the most part a cool guy I'd grab an ale with.
That's not the monster you meet in Act I of DA2.
IMO Hawke was a lackadaisical bum who only got involved in world shaking events at the last possible minute and only then due to some personal stake. And more often than not involving him/herself at the last possible minute made things worse instead of better.
Mother Petrice and the Kirkwall Killer are the prime examples here. Three years of willful apathy and his mother gets murdered and the Qunari invade.
I see no way how he/she could have done things differently though. Hawke pretty much had to react to events happening very quickly around them, while having their own issues to deal with. Heck, two of the biggest events in the game are caused by your closest companions. It had to fall on Hawke to clean up the mess. He/She tried to get the Arishok off Kirkwall, he/she tried to advocate for peace to both Templars and Mages. But it was all inevitable anyway.
Sebastian.....SEBASTIAN!
I would rather give Kirkwall to a Anders completely consumed by Vengance than have it taken over by that Taliban of a man that calls himself Sebastian.
You don't understand. Anders was never Anders. It was Angry Anders multiplied by Justice turned Vengeance. The only Anders I remember is that scampish mage that escaped from the Circle seven times. He bottled his anger, but for the most part a cool guy I'd grab an ale with.
That's not the monster you meet in Act I of DA2.
I get where you are coming from but its still his memories, his feelings and his friends. Justice has nothing to do with any of these. The Anders we hear about in DA:I is a friend Anders, not rival, he is automatically dead if you chose sided with Templars, even if romanced (he kills himself). So if you hear about Anders in DA:I it means Hawke took the friend route with Anders. So its quite logical that Anders have remained sane and loyal to Hawke, specially if romanced. It could have been much worse, its a good ending, IF its an ending. Rival Anders was nuts and what Hawke describes is NOT a rival Anders.
Anders? Sane?
wat
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I get where you are coming from but its still his memories, his feelings and his friends. Justice has nothing to do with any of these. The Anders we hear about in DA:I is a friend Anders, not rival, he is automatically dead if you chose sided with Templars, even if romanced (he kills himself). So if you hear about Anders in DA:I it means Hawke took the friend route with Anders. So its quite logical that Anders have remained sane and loyal to Hawke, specially if romanced. It could have been much worse, its a good ending, IF its an ending. Rival Anders was nuts and what Hawke describes is NOT a rival Anders.
LOL
Anders was alive in my game. Hawke called him crazy/insane/lunatic. And Hawke sided with the mages.
Anders? Sane?
wat
> Keep Anders alive
> Romance him
> Ask Hawke about him.
Sane.
You were one of those people who said he will become a meat sack for Vengeance. That doesn't happen, he also doesn't kill anyone. He is still loyal to Hawke as well, specially if romanced.
LOL
Anders was alive in my game. Hawke called him crazy/insane/lunatic. And Hawke sided with the mages.
Mine called him a hero and a monster both.
LOL
Anders was alive in my game. Hawke called him crazy/insane/lunatic. And Hawke sided with the mages.
Pretty sure the difference is if you selected Hawke approved or disapproved of Anders in the Keep, rather than what side you choose.
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> Keep Anders alive
> Romance him
> Ask Hawke about him.
Sane.
You were one of those people who said he will become a meat sack for Vengeance. That doesn't happen, he also doesn't kill anyone. He is still loyal to Hawke as well, specially if romanced.
Still a crazy monster that's responsible for murdering hundreds of people directly and thousands indirectly.
If you think this is a guy that should be admired I think you're getting the wrong message.
Personally I would throw the full weight of the inquisition behind Sebastian in this situation because honestly, f*ck Kirkwall.
But I don't think I have a single world state where Anders survived the events of DA2, so it's a non-issue for me.
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