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[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

SO.... you are saying that a kit with 2 of the hardest powers to get to 'stick', no mobility, armed with the one weapon that is more skill intensive than a javelin, tends to be a kit PUGS suck at ? 

 

 

pugs rarely play him is what i'm saying and in the rare occasion i do run into someone playing him they either spam shockwave relentlessly or try to melee everything regardless of whatever weapon they're using. they almost never use submission net and miss out on tech combos. i said i use the kishock because i like the gun on him. didn't say pugs SHOULD play him only using the kishock or one other gun. as for the powers, submission net can be annoying to hit targets but it's no different from other powers like warp and incinerate from missing their intended targets too.

 

Well, Sub net is great for trapping mooks and Phantoms. And the Kishock becomes much easier to handle with Sub net taking care of the enemies' dodges. Shockwave should only be used to detonate combos, or for the occasional bail-out stagger. I mostly use it to detonate the effects set-up by my teammates. But you are right, the kit isn't too user-friendly...you need to have good awareness and decent skills to get the most out of him.

exactly. 

[Swan Killer]

Ah yes, the "Kishock". Unfortunately I have to dismiss that weapon. A rarely host, but when I do, I play the **** out of my vanguards and other host-sensitive characters (Fury). 

While the Kishock is an awesome gun and I quite often see on Krogan PUGs, we all have to admit it, it's a pain to use off-host, no matter how good the connection is. Most projectiles I can manage, but the Kishock causes me so much annoyance and anger off-host, that I don't even touch that weapon anymore.

It's a shame though.

[7twozero]

spamming concussive shot every 2 seconds

That's how you're supposed to do it in my book. Equip acolyte and cryo and top boards all day long. (Except vs Faster)

[Swan Killer]

That's how you're supposed to do it in my book. Equip acolyte and cryo and top boards all day long. (Except vs Faster)

 

I bet it's awesome, but I still find it the most annoying powew, right up there with shockwave.

[codsquallic]

Some pugs seem to under perform but at least contribute with Vorcha flamers and Juggs and AIUs, and then you have the kits that are awesome but are hardly ever played like the Shadow and the AsGuard.

[Baby Quarian]

Someone mentioned the Shadow....those make me cry. She can be so good when spec'd for melee, instead of ES spam.

I spam ES like crazy :x

[DemiserofD]

I'm amazed how many people don't know how to properly play the Collector Sniper Rifle

 

don't

 

(although to be fair I've been testing it with the Destroyer as a backup)

 

You...You're kidding, right? CSR is freaking amazing. I can stand still and down a brute that's charging me before it gets to me, and just stand there like a boss as it dies. I never have to run to an ammo crate. My enemies freaking melt. CSR is ridiculously awesome. Just gotta be able to click 800 times per minute.

No, the class I see misused most often is the TGI. Namely, using it on anything less than platinum. If you want easy mode, go play something else. Whenever I run into a Harrier TGI on silver or gold, I just run around meleeing everything, even if it's not a melee kit. ESPECIALLY if it's not a melee kit.

Personally, I suck at vorcha and the Shadow. If I run a melee shadow in gold, I will die often and score badly. Vorcha even moreso. I just don't 'get' vorcha, I guess, and I'm not quick enough to shadow. It is fun beheading phantoms though.

[ANTIPATER]

pugs rarely play him is what i'm saying and in the rare occasion i do run into someone playing him they either spam shockwave relentlessly or try to melee everything regardless of whatever weapon they're using. they almost never use submission net and miss out on tech combos. i said i use the kishock because i like the gun on him. didn't say pugs SHOULD play him only using the kishock or one other gun. as for the powers, submission net can be annoying to hit targets but it's no different from other powers like warp and incinerate from missing their intended targets too.

 

 

 

 

Because of the spool-up time of the net it's less reliable than the other powers you mentioned. Warp is more a debuff+detonate on larger targets anyway, and for some reason I never have an issue hitting things with incinerate.

 

Basically I'd need to use him only on host since the  using the net + graal or + kishok seems to be the idea behind the kit, but even with decent aiming skills, you need to get the bloody net to stick first. Sure you can shoot the mooks first to stagger them; but if you hit  a mook with a kishok or a graal it's pretty much dead anyway. 

 

Quite honestly I find that even shockwave can be a pain to aim, I'm quite sure of-host the thing sometimes just decides to not detonate or hit anything at all. Which sucks because when I use it I really want to be able to count on it ie: tossing some mooks/abos/husks away from a harassed ally, or counting on it to detonate a primed cluster of enemies.

 

Anyway had a little bit of fun earlier running around with him and a scorpion with incindiary: staggers, techbursts, fire explosions, wubwubwubwub, and alot of furstrated allied snipers. I'll go hide in a corner now 

[Heldarion]

Uhhhh, all of them?

[chcknwng]

Because spamming concussive shot every 2 seconds at EVERYTHING is almost as annyoing as spamming shockwave every 2 seconds at everything that moves (or doesn't move).

CS when specced correctly, with disruptor or cryo ammo you can get kill streak and lock down a whole spawn. I wouldn't call CS spam "not played correctly". Shockwave on the other hand...

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

 

Because of the spool-up time of the net it's less reliable than the other powers you mentioned. Warp is more a debuff+detonate on larger targets anyway, and for some reason I never have an issue hitting things with incinerate.

 

Basically I'd need to use him only on host since the  using the net + graal or + kishok seems to be the idea behind the kit, but even with decent aiming skills, you need to get the bloody net to stick first. Sure you can shoot the mooks first to stagger them; but if you hit  a mook with a kishok or a graal it's pretty much dead anyway. 

 

Quite honestly I find that even shockwave can be a pain to aim, I'm quite sure of-host the thing sometimes just decides to not detonate or hit anything at all. Which sucks because when I use it I really want to be able to count on it ie: tossing some mooks/abos/husks away from a harassed ally, or counting on it to detonate a primed cluster of enemies.

 

Anyway had a little bit of fun earlier running around with him and a scorpion with incindiary: staggers, techbursts, fire explosions, wubwubwubwub, and alot of furstrated allied snipers. I'll go hide in a corner now 

 

 

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[J. Peterman]

CS hate? This is madness....

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

CS hate? This is madness....

 

I was so affected by the idea that my CS spam might offend some delicate BSNer that I actually spent one game with the TSol today just using the proxy mine. It was totally effecive but only half as much fun, so it's back to the cryo ammo and spamming CS. Deal with it, say I.

[123123123]

GI. The only weapon he should be using is a Javelin.

Not sure how you play your GI, but Jav isn't the only option. Not by a long shot.

[123123123]

The Batarian Sentinel - although not seen a whole lot by many in Pugs - is an obvious choice for me, too. Some Pugs just spam Shockwave ad nauseam, and never use Sub net...which is a great freakin' power.

 

And, BAD Novaguards...I see quite a few of them just charging into a spawn, and -- not -- getting out of it. This type of player is usually on the ground more than in the fight. Occasionally, they will even speak up and say, "I'm out of gels. Good luck!" Shaking my head.

Sub net is a great power. Doing it off host is another story. Most projectile powers are sometimes useless off host. Thank EA for the fine regional servers we have.

[GruntKitterhand]

Ah yes, the "Kishock". Unfortunately I have to dismiss that weapon.....we all have to admit it, it's a pain to use off-host, no matter how good the connection is.

 

 

I almost never host but that hasn't stopped me loving using the Kishock many many times - it's pretty much my most-used SR, on its way to a 9th challenge completion.  It's a fun weapon, and missing the occasional shot is worth it.

 

I'm not being confrontational, but more wishing to point out, in contradiction of widespread BSN consensus, that you can play the Kishock off-host and still have a great time.  All you need is a power that stuns, and the enemies will mostly suffer death by headshot before you can speak the words aloud.  Partly for lore reasons, it's absolutely great on the Batarian Sentinel, with Subnet evolved to shock - the reload is so fast you barely need to think about cancelling it, and it has no hipfire penalty.  Not as fast as chucking a grenade at a spawn, perhaps, but a lot more fun imo.

[q5tyhj]

 Not as fast as chucking a grenade at a spawn, perhaps, but a lot more fun imo.

I respectfully disagree, sir. Where's Deerber's drellgod video when you need it? 

 

Otherwise I'm with you- if I could hit the wide side of a barn with a SR (still haven't completed SR mastery after 1300 hours) I'd use Kishock Batarians all day (off-host or on), because lore. Oh, and harpoons. And Batarians.

[Ashevajak]

All I need to know about the Kishock is it ragdolls Phantoms in the most hilarious fashion,

 

Even if it did no damage, that alone would be worth having the gun for.

[Olivia Wilde]

All I need to know about the Kishock is it ragdolls Phantoms in the most hilarious fashion,

 

Even if it did no damage, that alone would be worth having the gun for.

anything that ragdolls phantoms has value

 

The acolyte is less flashy, but still cool

[RealKobeBean]

anything that ragdolls phantoms has value

 

The acolyte is less flashy, but still cool

 

A well-timed melee can do the trick, as well.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

I almost never host but that hasn't stopped me loving using the Kishock many many times - it's pretty much my most-used SR, on its way to a 9th challenge completion.  It's a fun weapon, and missing the occasional shot is worth it.

 

I'm not being confrontational, but more wishing to point out, in contradiction of widespread BSN consensus, that you can play the Kishock off-host and still have a great time.  All you need is a power that stuns, and the enemies will mostly suffer death by headshot before you can speak the words aloud.  Partly for lore reasons, it's absolutely great on the Batarian Sentinel, with Subnet evolved to shock - the reload is so fast you barely need to think about cancelling it, and it has no hipfire penalty.  Not as fast as chucking a grenade at a spawn, perhaps, but a lot more fun imo.

i feel the same way. i pug a lot and still have fun using the kishock. even if i'm having trouble landing shots on enemies my batarian will just use it to crack skulls anyways. the no hipfire penalty is also a huge plus. can't really tell how many times i've killed bad guys without scoping the thing. it's pretty sweet. 

[Miniditka77]

Every Vanguard ever.  Especially Krogan.  I'm starting to believe that Kroguarding off-host, charging into a group of enemies and dying, gelling, and then getting sync-killed is the correct way to play the Kroguard, and all of you scrubs are doing it wrong.

 

You...You're kidding, right? CSR is freaking amazing. I can stand still and down a brute that's charging me before it gets to me, and just stand there like a boss as it dies. I never have to run to an ammo crate. My enemies freaking melt. CSR is ridiculously awesome. Just gotta be able to click 800 times per minute.

 

The worst I have ever been outscored was by an Infiltrator with the CSR.  I don't think you need to click it that fast though.  Clicking about every .5 seconds seems to work just fine.

[David Diablo]

Good to see some things never change on BSN. I played for the first time in months a couple of weeks back with another scrub who hadn't played in a while. In one game, the one pug we had was awful and rage quit on wave 3. We still managed to extract duoing it. Carry dem pugs to glory and just be happy the servers are still up...