Well, Vivienne. I just can't stand her. (Blackwall close behind)
Everyone's most hated character apart from Sera?
#276
Posté 08 juin 2016 - 12:20
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#277
Posté 08 juin 2016 - 08:57
I like Solas and think he's a great character, but his arrogance and condescension really get to me sometimes lmao, specifically when I'm playing as Adaar or Cadash and he's all "no your people are totally useless, trust me, I know stuff, you're the only special one" or he makes some other sharp comment that illustrates how glaringly obvious it is to him that he thinks of them as less than him.
Not sure if you've played a human Inquisitor, but he has choice words for them too. In the friend balcony scene, he basically says that most humans are brutish and is really surprised that he managed to find one that is contrary to that perception. I'd like to respond with, "Uh... thanks," but there is no such option.
What is odd to me is that, when you bring up other members of the Inquisition, he talks about Leliana and Cassandra, and their faith, but I really don't see how that has anything to do with saying that humans, collectively as a race, are mindless brutes.
#278
Posté 08 juin 2016 - 09:02
Human Inquisitor and Solas friendship is one of the well written ones, reminds me of female warden and Morrigan which was also well written.
Though Dwarf and Qunari don't have a really different interaction with Solas, which I think was lazy writing above everything else. The Qunari could have very interesting conversation.
#279
Posté 08 juin 2016 - 06:18
Not sure if you've played a human Inquisitor, but he has choice words for them too. In the friend balcony scene, he basically says that most humans are brutish and is really surprised that he managed to find one that is contrary to that perception. I'd like to respond with, "Uh... thanks," but there is no such option.
What is odd to me is that, when you bring up other members of the Inquisition, he talks about Leliana and Cassandra, and their faith, but I really don't see how that has anything to do with saying that humans, collectively as a race, are mindless brutes.
I don't mind it as much with a human. I mean, it's still an obnoxious quality of his, but Solas is kind of the generally the guy who has contrarian opinions to the accepted norm because he values complex thinking, so when you're playing a race that the society views as a certain negative reductionist way and talking to him, it's frustrating when that's one of the few norms he'll go along with, lmao. Thank god for Dorian and Sera there. ![]()
I mean, it makes sense to me in the end that he says that to any race. Humans being brutish, qunari being savage, dwarves being limited, whatever he says to Lavellan that he can actually be challenged on, etc. It's not really about it reflecting how the world actually is, I think it's more Solas fighting seeing the current day races as having exceptional merit, because then he couldn't justify his plan to bring back his race of exceptional people at their expense, since one of his driving factors to doing it is that so much has been lost that this world doesn't hold enough value to prioritize. I think he probably tries not to think about it by compartmentalizing, but in the case of the Inquisitor's friendship he can't deny your complexity/value, so he has to assign you special status. Talking about people's faith is probably a way of dismissing them when it comes to Andrastrianism because that belief system to him is so limiting and goes along with his view that the world as it currently is is wrong. He'll only allow for some flexibility with the elves, probably because of his guilt there. Because of what he did, he can't blame the Dalish for getting it all wrong, but they have attempted to understand the things he values more. He might admire certain qualities that faithful humans have, but ultimately he sees their views on magic/the Fade/spirits etc as brutish, so focusing on that supports him holding up the view that humans are all brutish.
Before Trespasser, I was so frustrated that Solas would shut you down if you tried to argue it because I thought it was just a way of streamlining the conversation while still allowing you to respond to it in a small measure, but now I can see how he probably just can't go there.
edit: basically that conversation is Solas saying "I like you so much I will deign to extend to you the courtesy of not denying your humanity/value at all", lmao. So an "uh, thanks" option would have been really nice I agree.
#280
Posté 08 juin 2016 - 08:56
Morrigan.
Hah. Fortunately for her, Vivienne also exists in DAI.
I have never truly, wholly, vehemently, in my bones, hated a fictional character (or even a real person!) like I do Vivienne. NEVER. I hate her more than the Arishok in DA2, and prior to him I had never hated anyone. (And he's brainwashed so I almost can't blame him for his crappiness.) I have complete respect for the acting/writing and that there's a Chantry Apologist--I mean, "Loyalist" mage companion, but she is just... I gave her a chance but now she's templar fodder as far as I'm concerned. I can't even recruit her anymore.
I'm really disappointed that I couldn't connect with any of the female companions in DAI like in the past with Wynne and Aveline. I don't care for Sera and even though I like Cassandra, there's just no click.
I did find my other half in Solas (Dorian is my non-romantic life-mate, because I'm fem to his ale) and then it turned into Anders all over again. Why does this keep happening to me.
Oh, and I hate that ridiculous Req. Officer like everyone else. She's redundant when we already have the req. table. A non-talking, non-moving table -- and that would've allowed for more time with Ser Morris. Heh.
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#281
Posté 09 juin 2016 - 12:08
Sera gets on my nerves, but I am not sure I would go as far as saying i hate her.
Iron Bull and Vivienne are equally annoying.. I try to interact with these three as minimally as I can.
I do hate Blackwall - he is IMO - a sanctimonious liar who killed children....
#282
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 01:42
Bianca
#283
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 01:48
Me 2, I hate the fact that goddamm crossbow puts to shame all my freaking Mages since DA2, those Temps should lock it and Varric in a Circle instead.Bianca
#284
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 02:38
If we are including characters from DA2, then Knight-Commander Meridith would definitely be at the top of my list. Not only is she an unbending oppressor of mages but her motivations and excuses run the gamut to an irritating degree. Then there is her sword, a weapon that looks like it was crafted originally for Flemeth (a swamp witch) rather than the leader of a proud knightly order.
Second on my list would be Orsino, who was a stand-up guy for 99% of the time we knew him until he decides to turn himself into a berserk blood-monster(that is clearly a Harvester) just because Bioware needed another boss to pad-out the endgame.
Last on my list is Quentin, the blood mage that kills the Champion's mother (Leandra Amell). I hate how we are railroaded into failing to save Leandra, a character who deserved a greater part of the story. I hated how her death felt forced into the story as nothing more than a way to justify a Champion that sides with the Templars. I hated that when the fight with Quentin ended it was not ended with a video of us beating the ever-living **** out of Quentin until his blood and gore splattered the walls. There was no satisfaction to ending Quentin's reign of terror, no closure on his death.
Frankly, there were very few characters I liked in Dragon Age 2 due to the ridiculous railroaded features of the story in a setting that begged to have player choices respected to some degree.
#285
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 04:27
I liked all my companions as they each added something to the story I think.
#286
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 04:52
If we are including characters from DA2, then Knight-Commander Meridith would definitely be at the top of my list. Not only is she an unbending oppressor of mages but her motivations and excuses run the gamut to an irritating degree. Then there is her sword, a weapon that looks like it was crafted originally for Flemeth (a swamp witch) rather than the leader of a proud knightly order.
Second on my list would be Orsino, who was a stand-up guy for 99% of the time we knew him until he decides to turn himself into a berserk blood-monster(that is clearly a Harvester) just because Bioware needed another boss to pad-out the endgame.
Last on my list is Quentin, the blood mage that kills the Champion's mother (Leandra Amell). I hate how we are railroaded into failing to save Leandra, a character who deserved a greater part of the story. I hated how her death felt forced into the story as nothing more than a way to justify a Champion that sides with the Templars. I hated that when the fight with Quentin ended it was not ended with a video of us beating the ever-living **** out of Quentin until his blood and gore splattered the walls. There was no satisfaction to ending Quentin's reign of terror, no closure on his death.
Frankly, there were very few characters I liked in Dragon Age 2 due to the ridiculous railroaded features of the story in a setting that begged to have player choices respected to some degree.
While I agree about Meredith, Orsino was not exactly a complete surprise; the letters to Quentin bearing the signature 'O' seem to bear this out somewhat. What I disliked about his story was the apparent lack of depth in the tale about going full Blood mage; more details would have helped.
And while I also detest Quentin, the involvement of Leandra hardly felt forced at all; somewhat conflicts with your own description of desiring vengeance at that. And the death of a loved one often does not present full closure (eg; Bethany or Carver), but I did feel the Legacy DLC provided a moment of being able to say farewell.
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#287
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 05:33
I thought Meredith was a great character until Act 3. I mean she wasn't particularly likable if you opposed her politics, but she was understandable and well thought out. Then she fell under the Kirkwall rule of Everyone Goes Crazy in the End, lmao, and it wasn't as interesting. I imagine if the game had more development time, she'd have better serviced in the end, same as a lot of characters.
#288
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 06:27
Haha, I sort of agree. I mean, I was more disappointed in him for resorting to monsterfication than hating him for it. I was just like: "Dude, I'm the damn Champion. We'll win this fight." But no. He didn't listen. Because they never do. (Templars didn't even make it inside the room when I fought them.) I agree it felt like a cop-out way to end the game.Second on my list would be Orsino, who was a stand-up guy for 99% of the time we knew him until he decides to turn himself into a berserk blood-monster(that is clearly a Harvester) just because Bioware needed another boss to pad-out the endgame.
And Meredith... Honestly, even if someone does support the templars and circles and all that rot, I just don't understand how they can support genocide. Justifying the Right of Annulment based on the actions of a mage outside the bloody circle? Guilt by association? Templars are presumably supposed to protect mages from within and without. When Meredith admits to surrendering to/supporting the fear and anger of Kirkwall she's failing as a templar. ...I mean, yeah, she was crazy on red lyrium, but everyone else should recognize the contradiction. "Stop now, Meredith, before this goes too far." Uh, Cullen, she went too far a long time ago...
#289
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 06:46
if not Sera i was really, really never like
Cole
Cullen-dead
Lelianna-dead
Tallis
Dorian
Maevaris Tilani
Michel de Chevin-dead
Celine-dead
Gaspar
Florianne-dead
Duke Prosper-dead
Cyril de Montfort
Josephine
Cassandra(and devs force us to be her friend so she will not restore damn Seekers)
Sebastian Vael
Elthina-dead
Merethari-dead
Meredith-dead
Brialla
Wynne-dead in Asunder
Vivienne(despite that i make her Divine and save Inquisition)
Antivan crows
Orlais Bards
Orlais Chivaliers
Seekers with their Orlais Chantry and Templars
Qunari
I was really want my heroes to execute those and i wanted to get rid from all of them and was do such if my heroes have a chance
hope that in DA4 i could rid from all, or from most of those who left
#290
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 06:57
Dorian
Sera
Maevaris
Iron Bull
Anders DA2 Edition
Merrill
Josephine
Cullen
Irving
Jowan
Lilly
The whole Cousland family
Cyrion
Soris
Vaughan
Nathaniel
Velanna
Oghren
Sten
Alistair
Leliana
Leske
Behlen
Jarvia
Stroud for stealing Riordan's voice
I could go on
Heck I'd say my favourite DA character is The Arishok, he can have the pirate ****** for all I care.
#291
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 08:06
Hate the guts of:
Dorian
Sera
Maevaris
Iron Bull
Anders DA2 Edition
Merrill
Josephine
Cullen
Irving
Jowan
Lilly
The whole Cousland family
Cyrion
Soris
Vaughan
Nathaniel
Velanna
Oghren
Sten
Alistair
Leliana
Leske
Behlen
Jarvia
Stroud for stealing Riordan's voice
I could go on
Heck I'd say my favourite DA character is The Arishok, he can have the pirate ****** for all I care.
lol
How do you play when you hate so many of the main characters? ![]()
Personally, I've always viewed Stroud's voice as an homage to Riordan. Hell, it's the only thing about him I like. (I find him to be very dull otherwise.)
#292
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 08:09
Asdrubal's list is pretty long as well if not longer.lol
How do you play when you hate so many of the main characters?
Personally, I've always viewed Stroud's voice as an homage to Riordan. Hell, it's the only thing about him I like. (I find him to be very dull otherwise.)
The thing is, it doesn't matter how many secondary characters you hate if you LOVE your MC.
#293
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 08:17
Asdrubal's list is pretty long as well if not longer.
The thing is, it doesn't matter how many secondary characters you hate if you LOVE your MC.
I wasn't trying to single you out, you just had more of the prominent characters in your list, that's all. I don't consider companions/counselors to be background people.
Good on you for bringing up Vaughan. Talk about abominations that shouldn't exist...
#294
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 08:25
I probably should have mentioned that even if Alistair's jester demeanor is not exactly my cup of tea my MC still respects him as a Brother Warden, specially after what they have been through (Ostagar and loosing Duncan).I wasn't trying to single you out, you just had more of the prominent characters in your list, that's all. I don't consider companions/counselors to be background people.
Good on you for bringing up Vaughan. Talk about abominations that shouldn't exist...
#295
Posté 10 juin 2016 - 09:59
I probably should have mentioned that even if Alistair's jester demeanor is not exactly my cup of tea my MC still respects him as a Brother Warden, specially after what they have been through (Ostagar and loosing Duncan).
My Warden romanced Alistair, so...
But even without romance I adore him - he was my favorite companion of Origins. I enjoy the Warden bond you get with/from his character. I actually tend to be drawn to the jester types like Alistair, Anders, Varric, Dorian... In truth, with most characters I find something to like about them, if not I'm indifferent.
#296
Posté 11 juin 2016 - 02:42
Alistair and Morrigan well not hated i just dislike them they were both too childish in DAO.
The DAI cast is very mature apart from Sera but she is also the youngest there ad she is funny.
#297
Posté 11 juin 2016 - 03:10
Sera, yeah at first she is obnoxious, but she really does grow on you, and has some of the most funny banter, especially with Iron Bull. I actually like Vivienne as well, she has become my favorite mage to use, because of her class.
Solas has become annoying, and my least favorite mage (and companion), because he downright hates me most of the time, unless I choose to curtail to what I know he likes. He is a picky one. You have to choose your party carefully if you want Solas affection, and not lose affection with others. I usually do not play characters that choose dialogue options that he likes. He is a bit extreme on a lot of his views, for me.
I feel like Blackwall is the most boring companion out of all of the companion's though, and he is almost up there with Solas because of it. ![]()
#298
Posté 11 juin 2016 - 12:06
Well, Vivienne. I just can't stand her. (Blackwall close behind)
Same here and couldn't agree more.
#299
Posté 11 juin 2016 - 12:10
Hate the guts of:
Dorian
Sera
Maevaris
Iron Bull
Anders DA2 Edition
Merrill
Josephine
Cullen
Irving
Jowan
Lilly
The whole Cousland family
Cyrion
Soris
Vaughan
Nathaniel
Velanna
Oghren
Sten
Alistair
Leliana
Leske
Behlen
Jarvia
Stroud for stealing Riordan's voice
I could go on
Heck I'd say my favourite DA character is The Arishok, he can have the pirate ****** for all I care.
For you there should be a topic who you exually like the list would be much shorter i think
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#300
Posté 12 juin 2016 - 10:33
mine is uhh my wife. You might know her..... She kinda stealing my staff and burning down the house once a while. I get really furious.





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