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[Dgyre]

Sera is my favorite in the game, pi$$ off. She's hated because she doesn't like being an elf and often looks down on nobility of any kind. She can't get away with this while other characters blatantly tell you they are racial supremists, or they are alright with slavery, or that people should be killed for their beliefs. 

 

 

I don't hate Sera, and she should be in the game.  She is deeply flawed, and that can be interesting for some.  She is a great addition to the variety of companions throughout Dragon age.

 

I do extremely dislike her character, more so than any other Bioware companion character by a large margin.

 

Not because she doesn't like traditional dalish culture, I get that and it makes sense for her. I never had issue with that.

Not because she looks down on nobility of any kind, again with her background it makes sense.

 

Her lack of respect or even tolerance of other viewpoints, her indiscriminate judgement (and killing) of any she deems to be 'Big' regardless of who they really are are the problem. She tells you that your views are "stupid" and you can't think like that, that you are an idiot for doing so.  She treats others poorly based on her preconceptions, not on their actual actions.

 

Its how she treats others, her black and white view based on her own assumptions, that causes a lot of people to not like her.

 

Given her rude, immature behavior and veiwpoints, is it really surprising some people don't like her?

[WildOrchid]

Lol. Sera is THE girl. She's awesomely awesome and my quizzy's babe.


As for hated, I don't hate anyone at all? So i'd say "least interesting"... it would be Blackwall. At least he gets better if you add Sera to your party. (It's quite fact that Sera brings out the best in all the companions when you use her in your party. Even Viv enjoys teasing her)

[Poisd2Strike]

That's remarkably shoddy reasoning.

You're perfectly correct when you point out that not everyone dislikes Sera (I threw her out of the Inquisition following her incredibly reckless behaviour in her companion quest - which is a shame, because I liked her). Your mistake was in accusing the OP of error.

 

If you can come up with a more logical interpretation of the title of this thread and one that makes more sense than OP believes most people would choose Sera as "most hated" companion, then by all means enlighten us.  Until then, I am going to continue to interpret the title to mean the OP believes most people dislike (or even hate) Sera the most out of all companions.  Therefore, there is no reason to include her (since she occupies top spot) and we should all be mentioning our 2nd choice for most disliked / hated companion.  Hence the "apart from Sera" in the thread title.   It makes no logical sense to add "apart from Sera", unless you assume she is 1st choice.  Had the thread title ended in "apart from Vivienne", I would have concluded that the OP believed Vivienne was the "most hated" companion.  Since I am not the only person who interprets the thread title to mean that, my reasoning is perfectly sound and the only mistake was the OP's in assuming everyone automatically dislikes (or even hates) Sera.  Now to your earlier question, the only thing I can determine from your mention of Vivienne is that you either like Vivienne more or less than Sera.

[WildOrchid]

If you can come up with a more logical interpretation of the title of this thread and one that makes more sense than OP believes most people would choose Sera as "most hated" companion, then by all means enlighten us.  Until then, I am going to continue to interpret the title to mean the OP believes most people dislike (or even hate) Sera the most out of all companions.  Therefore, there is no reason to include her (since she occupies top spot) and we should all be mentioning our 2nd choice for most disliked / hated companion.  Hence the "apart from Sera" in the thread title.   It makes no logical sense to add "apart from Sera", unless you assume she is 1st choice.  Had the thread title ended in "apart from Vivienne", I would have concluded that the OP believed Vivienne was the "most hated" companion.  Since I am not the only person who interprets the thread title to mean that, my reasoning is perfectly sound and the only mistake was the OP's in assuming everyone automatically dislikes (or even hates) Sera.  Now to your earlier question, the only thing I can determine from your mention of Vivienne is that you either like Vivienne more or less than Sera.

 

Actually in a poll, Vivienne is the most hated companion (DAO,DA2 and DAI combined) in the bsn. Das a record.

[Rogue Master]

without taking too long to think, Vivienne

no doubt

[In Exile]

question, you guys hate Viviane because they allied themselves or believe that mages deserve freedom?

I dislike Vivienne because her views on the Circle are very hard to separate from how good this oppressive system has been for her. It's not that I would dislike someone who in principle believes in the Circles. It's that I think Vivienne only cares because of how much her personal station will fall if the current system collapses. She's a master of the current political order, and all of her power is political. To have the Circles disband renders her completely destitute.

It's easy to say the mages should have done something else when she didn't even *live* in a Circle anymore, but rather she lived as a noble. And not just any noble. The highest end possible noble in Orlais. She criticised mages for rising up against post Kirkwall restrictions, but she wad never subject to them. She's the worst kind of hypocrite.

She has no credibility, because of her privileged position.

[StrangeStrategy]

Apart from Sera... Blackwall. Solas. I don't like traitors... So I guess Solas takes the cake. All the damage he has done needs to be answered for.

[Emu8207]

DAI has a really good cast, nobody special like Alistair or Morrigan but nobody bad like Wynne or Anders. If I had to choose one person it would be Cole although I don't hate him.

 

Varric gets my most disappointing character, does not have the charm he had in DA2.

[Dracon525]

Varric gets my most disappointing character, does not have the charm he had in DA2.

though i havnt taken him in my party this playthrough (my 1st), i've found him extremely boring. hopefull6y his party banter is redeeming. (and maybe he'll get interesting when i leave hawke to their fate)

[ERINII]

Because "Sera was never quite an agreeable girl", I take it. She's fun, just misunderstood

 

I don't really hate anyone, honestly. A bit uncomfortable with Blackwall mostly.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Just stop. It's clear to anybody who has english as a first language that his understanding of the title is 100% correct.

And I'm the perfect counter-example to skewer your universal generalisation.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If you can come up with a more logical interpretation of the title of this thread and one that makes more sense than OP believes most people would choose Sera as "most hated" companion, then by all means enlighten us. Until then, I am going to continue to interpret the title to mean the OP believes most people dislike (or even hate) Sera the most out of all companions. Therefore, there is no reason to include her (since she occupies top spot) and we should all be mentioning our 2nd choice for most disliked / hated companion. Hence the "apart from Sera" in the thread title. It makes no logical sense to add "apart from Sera", unless you assume she is 1st choice. Had the thread title ended in "apart from Vivienne", I would have concluded that the OP believed Vivienne was the "most hated" companion. Since I am not the only person who interprets the thread title to mean that, my reasoning is perfectly sound and the only mistake was the OP's in assuming everyone automatically dislikes (or even hates) Sera. Now to your earlier question, the only thing I can determine from your mention of Vivienne is that you either like Vivienne more or less than Sera.

The logical thing to do is not to draw conclusions in the absence of conclusive evidence.

Thr burden is not on me to show that my conclusion is correct, as I have drawn no conclusion. You are the one advocating a departure from the rational default position of uncertainty.

[Poisd2Strike]

The logical thing to do is not to draw conclusions in the absence of conclusive evidence.

Thr burden is not on me to show that my conclusion is correct, as I have drawn no conclusion. You are the one advocating a departure from the rational default position of uncertainty.

 

You have drawn the conclusion that I was wrong to interpret the title of this thread to mean that the OP believes most people believe Sera is the "most hated" companion.  I am still waiting to hear your interpretation of what "apart from Sera" means.  Since you have not offered a more plausible explanation that by including "apart from Sera" in the thread title that the OP meant he believes most people would choose Sera as "most hated", I will continue to infer that the OP meant just that.  The thread's title implies that the OP believes Sera is the "most hated"  companion.  Had the OP not included "apart from Sera" in the thread title, I would not have inferred the OP believed most people consider Sera the "most hated" companion.  And since you simply dismissed Aurok's statement (that my interpretation of the thread title is 100% correct), I will assume that either English is not your primary language or English is your primary language but you were simply not able to infer what the OP meant by explicitly stating "apart from Sera" in the thread title.  Uncertainty is only a rational position if you fail to correctly interpret what was implied by "apart from Sera".  I have not failed to do so and have concluded it is, more likely than not, that the OP meant he believes most people believe Sera is the "most hated" companion.  Thus far, I have not heard a more logical, rational or plausible interpretation.  If you are going to call my reasoning shoddy, you should at least be able to come up with a more plausible interpretation / inference.  Aurok backed up my interpretation / inference, and you haven't offered a more logical or more plausible interpretation.  Moreover, the OP has not refuted my interpretation / inference of what he meant by "apart from Sera".

[AWTEW]

The Inquisitor.

[DuVessa]

I dislike Vivienne. I do not even bring her into the Inquisition. I was surprised....before the game came out, I thought she would be a fav! Maybe I am jealous of her mage wear....best in all the games. My Lady Mage Inquisitor is jealous of her wardrobe! I look like a muskateer and she looks like a real mage! 

[Kallas_br123]

I dislike Vivienne because her views on the Circle are very hard to separate from how good this oppressive system has been for her. It's not that I would dislike someone who in principle believes in the Circles. It's that I think Vivienne only cares because of how much her personal station will fall if the current system collapses. She's a master of the current political order, and all of her power is political. To have the Circles disband renders her completely destitute.

It's easy to say the mages should have done something else when she didn't even *live* in a Circle anymore, but rather she lived as a noble. And not just any noble. The highest end possible noble in Orlais. She criticised mages for rising up against post Kirkwall restrictions, but she wad never subject to them. She's the worst kind of hypocrite.

She has no credibility, because of her privileged position.

yes but she worked for her privilege, made the right choices, with the right people, so, kudos to her, about her vision of the circles, she was kinda of right, each circle has its rules and policies, take wyne for example, could leave when she wanted as long sha have permission, or that botanic of the DAA. Kirkwall was an exception, and from what I could understand, since I have not read assuder, were not the events of kirkwall that really started the rebellion, they were only the first fuse.

 

But the truth is that my bias for Viviane is partly that I have a weakness for alpha bitches (viviane, morrigan, anora, Isabela ...)

 

As the question of the OP, hate is a strong word, I dislike Sera, and blackwall is kind of boring.

 

 

Sorry bad english.

[LaughingBanana]

Corypheus.

 

What a sad, lame excuse of a villain. Especially considering he's aspiring to godhood.

 

Godhood my arse if he's just stumbling around over and over and over and over and over again post his-admittedly awesome introduction in Haven--where, funnily, also resulted in his failure despite having a Dragon Pet and an army to assault a practically defenseless city.

[Poisd2Strike]

I dislike Vivienne. I do not even bring her into the Inquisition. I was surprised....before the game came out, I thought she would be a fav! Maybe I am jealous of her mage wear....best in all the games. My Lady Mage Inquisitor is jealous of her wardrobe! I look like a muskateer and she looks like a real mage! 

 

Vivienne can have her mage wear.  My Female Knight Enchanter Mage Inquisitor will stick with her Vigorous Fiery Battlemaster Coat (T3 Heavy Armor) that has 280 Armor Rating, +21% Fire Resistance, +24% Cold Resistance, +24% Electricity Resistance, +240 Maximum Health and Generates 3 Guard on hit.  Batteries not included.

[dlux]

Iron Bull.

[tmp7704]

Vivienne can have her mage wear.  My Female Knight Enchanter Mage Inquisitor will stick with her Vigorous Fiery Battlemaster Coat (T3 Heavy Armor) that has 280 Armor Rating, +21% Fire Resistance, +24% Cold Resistance, +24% Electricity Resistance, +240 Maximum Health and Generates 3 Guard on hit.  Batteries not included.

Of course, nothing prevents Vivienne from having gear with the same exact stats, except hers will look very good *and* can come with an awesome hat.

[kaidanluv]

Solas. I know a lot of people like him, but honestly, after two playthroughs of getting standoffish comments from him every time I try to initiate a conversation, I just avoid him now and bring him on missions only 'cause he's a good mage. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

You have drawn the conclusion that I was wrong to interpret the title of this thread to mean that the OP believes most people believe Sera is the "most hated" companion.  I am still waiting to hear your interpretation of what "apart from Sera" means.  Since you have not offered a more plausible explanation that by including "apart from Sera" in the thread title that the OP meant he believes most people would choose Sera as "most hated", I will continue to infer that the OP meant just that.  The thread's title implies that the OP believes Sera is the "most hated"  companion.  Had the OP not included "apart from Sera" in the thread title, I would not have inferred the OP believed most people consider Sera the "most hated" companion.  And since you simply dismissed Aurok's statement (that my interpretation of the thread title is 100% correct), I will assume that either English is not your primary language or English is your primary language but you were simply not able to infer what the OP meant by explicitly stating "apart from Sera" in the thread title.  Uncertainty is only a rational position if you fail to correctly interpret what was implied by "apart from Sera".  I have not failed to do so and have concluded it is, more likely than not, that the OP meant he believes most people believe Sera is the "most hated" companion.  Thus far, I have not heard a more logical, rational or plausible interpretation.  If you are going to call my reasoning shoddy, you should at least be able to come up with a more plausible interpretation / inference.  Aurok backed up my interpretation / inference, and you haven't offered a more logical or more plausible interpretation.  Moreover, the OP has not refuted my interpretation / inference of what he meant by "apart from Sera".

There's so much wrong here...

 

I have drawn the conclusion that you were wrong to interpret the thread title as you did because the thread title does not say that.  Even you agree that it does not, as you refer to your position as an inference.

 

The "apart from Sera" portion of the thread title does nothing but exclude Sera from the question.  It makes no claims about Sera at all.

 

The thread's title implies nothing, as implication doesn't exist.

 

I did not dismiss Aurok's statement.  I argued that my existence disproved it, which it does.

 

I am able to draw that inference.  I simply choose not to do so, as it is not supported by the evidence.  I could also infer that you are an elephant.  I also choose not to do that.

 

"More likely than not" is not a position that has been advanced previously in this thread.  It may well be the case that the OP believed Sera to be widely disliked.  But nothing in the OP supports that conclusion.

 

The only rational interpretation is a literal one.  The OP merely excludes Sera from the question, and makes no claims regarding her.

 

Regarding the OP's lack of refutation, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Asakti]

The Requisitions Officer.

 

Or some of the random NPCs with annoying voices - like that one in the Hinterlands who gives you the bandit quest.  Aaaagh.

[Scoobydooby]

I have no problem with Sera.. she's quirky and fun.. just the kind of eccentric character games like this need. not sure why some people could hate her (or any character for that matter.. its a game ffs)

[In Exile]

yes but she worked for her privilege, made the right choices, with the right people, so, kudos to her, about her vision of the circles, she was kinda of right, each circle has its rules and policies, take wyne for example, could leave when she wanted as long sha have permission, or that botanic of the DAA. Kirkwall was an exception, and from what I could understand, since I have not read assuder, were not the events of kirkwall that really started the rebellion, they were only the first fuse.

But the truth is that my bias for Viviane is partly that I have a weakness for alpha bitches (viviane, morrigan, anora, Isabela ...)

As the question of the OP, hate is a strong word, I dislike Sera, and blackwall is kind of boring.


Sorry bad english.

It doesn't matter that she exploited the system. Her defence isn't that mages can exploit the system and gain status. It's that their complaints are not justified and that their rebellion is not warranted.

That's what makes her a hypocrite: she's not in a position to critique the mages, particularly since she escaped the Circle as much as they did.

Edit: Your English was clear.