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[KaiserShep]

I really disliked the Chancellor, but in a good way. He didn't feel like a shallow character designed specifically for us to hate the whole way through (like the Dalatrass), and I enjoyed his arc, and I managed to like him in the end.

[straykat]

Sera bugged me at first, until I needed her Jar of Bees. 

 

Hate is a strong word. But I strongly dislike the Chancellor, Vivienne (though her Knight Enchanter is just a must for fighting dragons.) And MORRIGAN! You think you know more about being Elven than me? Scoff!

 

Also, Blackwall....I mean Borewall. 

 

I blame that mostly on them recycling the Well/Mythal story here. It's sloppy. It might have been interesting in DA2 when Merrill was around.

 

Poor Merrill.. even Morrigan is the Keeper of elven secrets compared to her. And Celene and Gaspard have seen eluvians before she has.

[KaiserShep]

Merril had the bad luck of having a Keeper that wasn't having any of this eluvian business, though in fairness, the one she did have had ancient evil cooties.

[straykat]

Merril had the bad luck of having a Keeper that wasn't having any of this eluvian business, though in fairness, the one she did have had ancient evil cooties.

 

True. But still think there was good setup for Merrill, just because of Flemeth.

 

I think there was good setup for Hawke too. Especially a sarcastic female mage. She's like the daughter Flemeth always wished she had. lol

[Shechinah]

Also, why did she magic herself darker skin? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Are you referring to that supposed screenshot that showed Vivienne as white? Because as far as I know that was an edited screenshot created by someone not affiliated with Bioware and used by some to stir up trouble in the fandom by playing on then recent tensions.
 

[AlanC9]

Anyone got a link to that?

[Shechinah]

Anyone got a link to that?

 

The edited screenshot? I think it's better I message you it so there'll be less of a chance it might derail the thread.

[straykat]

Anyone got a link to that?

 

There was a whitewashed Viv pic foating around before launch. This is all I know about.

 

http://www.unwinnabl...viviennewtf.jpg

[Shechinah]

There was a whitewashed Viv pic foating around before launch. This is all I know about.

 

http://www.unwinnabl...viviennewtf.jpg

 

Yup, that looks to be the one.
 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Sera is annoying, sure, but Vivienne is a horrible, murderous, and hypocritical human being.

Also, why did she magic herself darker skin? Doesn't make sense to me.

Troll post is a troll post, but "murderous"? Really? Where? The party? You have to tell her to do it. Left to her own devices, she lets the guy go.

[KaiserShep]

I kind of wish that Vivienne always let the guy go and judged the Inquisitor based on the decision. I suppose she wanted to appease the leader of the organization she was looking to join, but still.

[eyezonlyii]

Vivienne is my favorite character. I love everything about her. She's a mage. She's been in the Circle. She worked her way to a courtside position and then managed to turn that position into a true political post rather than a sideshow. She was only upstaged by a writer's pet (*insert angry face*) and even then, during the midst of a war over the institution she was a part of, managed to parlay that position (if recruited) into an even loftier place on the winning side.

 

Varric by far is my least favorite character, mostly because he took the same spot for Hawke in DA2,  that Liara and to a lesser extent Garrus did in Mass Effect, for Shepard. This carried a bit into Inquisition, and coupled with the fact that he really no reason to be there, while having a specialization that made no sense for his character and the lore of the world, really bothered me. 

[GoldenGail3]

Oh Rendon Howe. I hate dat bastard so very much...

[In Exile]

Vivienne is my favorite character. I love everything about her. She's a mage. She's been in the Circle. She worked her way to a courtside position and then managed to turn that position into a true political post rather than a sideshow. She was only upstaged by a writer's pet (*insert angry face*) and even then, during the midst of a war over the institution she was a part of, managed to parlay that position (if recruited) into an even loftier place on the winning side.

 

Writer's pet? 

 

Anyway, Vivienne did turn a position into a true political post, but arguably not the one the writers wanted. She didn't really have political power out of her court position in game, notwithstanding the informed ability. In terms of what the game actually shows, Vivienne's talent is pretending like her superficial and ultimately empty titles are political power.  

 

That makes her a much more impressive character. It's one thing to have political standing. It's another to spend your entire life moving up the social ladder with your only real asset being your skill at bluffing everyone into thinking you have social standing. 

[In Exile]

I really disliked the Chancellor, but in a good way. He didn't feel like a shallow character designed specifically for us to hate the whole way through (like the Dalatrass), and I enjoyed his arc, and I managed to like him in the end.

 

I think his scene in In Your Heart Shall Burn - especially with Cole, not Dorian - is great. How much, at the end of his life, he just wants to believe in the Herald is great. DA:I really works when it explores human stories like IYHB. But then, it shows that this was one of the last (if not the last) quests designed in DA:I, before the DLCs. 

[eyezonlyii]

Writer's pet?

Anyway, Vivienne did turn a position into a true political post, but arguably not the one the writers wanted. She didn't really have political power out of her court position in game, notwithstanding the informed ability. In terms of what the game actually shows, Vivienne's talent is pretending like her superficial and ultimately empty titles are political power.

That makes her a much more impressive character. It's one thing to have political standing. It's another to spend your entire life moving up the social ladder with your only real asset being your skill at bluffing everyone into thinking you have social standing.

Yep. Writer's pet. Ms Morrigan "I know more about every type of arcane everything than anyone" more magic then the circle, more elven lore than the elves; she showed up, as an apostate in the country with the seat of the Chantry's power and is immediately promoted to arcane advisor over the mage who had been serving in that role before.
To top it all off, if you take Vivienne to the Winter Palace, nothing happens, no conversation between the two, and then if you invite Morrigan to Skyhold, again, nothing happens.

[vbibbi]

Sera is annoying but at least she's an attempt at a new character. If I could remove anyone from the game it would be every single returning character from the previous games, comics, books, etc...except for Cole and Cassandra. No Varric, no Cullen, no Morrigan, no Briala/Gaspard/Fiona/Briala, no Alistair, no Loghain, no Anora, no Stroud, no Sampson, no Corypheus, no Hawke, etc...and especially no Leliana.

Well, I agree on Varric, Cullen, Morrigan, Samson. I do think Briala/Gaspard/Celene were necessary to the story, and the book focusing on them was really intended to set up their involvement in DAI (even though everything built up in TEM was disappointingly implemented in the game). Fiona just felt like a different person from the books and it seems like the main reason they decided not to have her die at the Conclave was to confirm that she was Alistair's mother.

 

I thought the inclusion of Stroud/Alistair/Loghain was well done, even if it would make more sense for GW!Carver or Bethany to be Hawke's contact. But I can understand that it wasn't worth the resources of adding them. And even though I wasn't a huge fan of how Hawke was implemented and am not expecting the Fade choice to actually mean anything, I'm glad that they weren't just abandoned and forgotten.

 

I blame that mostly on them recycling the Well/Mythal story here. It's sloppy. It might have been interesting in DA2 when Merrill was around.

 

Poor Merrill.. even Morrigan is the Keeper of elven secrets compared to her. And Celene and Gaspard have seen eluvians before she has.

It really would have completed Merrill's character arc. Finding out Flemeth's true identity, discovering the nature of eluvians, the truth behind Dalish myth. Instead, Morrigan the human knows it all. Though I usually have her drink from the Well and the irony of that is great.

 

I wonder if Merrill would have had diverging outcomes if she had kept or destroyed her eluvian, similar to Iron Bull's situation in Trespasser.

 

I kind of wish that Vivienne always let the guy go and judged the Inquisitor based on the decision. I suppose she wanted to appease the leader of the organization she was looking to join, but still.

Good point, I think this would have been much more in character. She doesn't take orders from an up and coming person, even if they are the Herald of Andraste. It would make more sense if she already knew how she was going to deal with the guy but wanted to test the Herald.

 

 

Varric by far is my least favorite character, mostly because he took the same spot for Hawke in DA2,  that Liara and to a lesser extent Garrus did in Mass Effect, for Shepard. This carried a bit into Inquisition, and coupled with the fact that he really no reason to be there, while having a specialization that made no sense for his character and the lore of the world, really bothered me. 

I like Varric as a character, even though he is a bit of a token best friend. I do feel he was out of place in DAI and was very obviously the bridge character. The only time I really enjoyed him in DAI was when we discovered the nature of his relationship with Bianca. I felt it was depressing but realistic; he's that friend who's an awesome guy and everyone likes, but for some reason is stuck on someone not really worthy of him, and no matter how much his friends tell him to find someone better, he's loyal and willing to overlook their glaring flaws.

 

Writer's pet? 

 

Anyway, Vivienne did turn a position into a true political post, but arguably not the one the writers wanted. She didn't really have political power out of her court position in game, notwithstanding the informed ability. In terms of what the game actually shows, Vivienne's talent is pretending like her superficial and ultimately empty titles are political power.  

 

That makes her a much more impressive character. It's one thing to have political standing. It's another to spend your entire life moving up the social ladder with your only real asset being your skill at bluffing everyone into thinking you have social standing. 

Well, I agree on your first point that she doesn't actually have real power, but think that was just a misstep by the writers rather than a clever method of showing her skill at bluffing. I think Bioware really did intend for her to have political power but it just fell flat. I think it was a big misstep for her character, and potentially why so many people dislike her; not only can she be abrasive and polarizing in her attitudes, but she never actually backs up her words with action. Heck, if we had actually seen abominations running around or demons being summoned rather than most of them coming from rifts, we could see that she has a point. But as it is, Kirkwall shows how mages are dangerous far more than anything in DAI.

[Vegeta 77]

I don't hate any squdmate in DAI but as for the series DA2 Anders still holds that spot.

[MattH]

Bianca

[IllustriousT]

Viv.

[vertigomez]

I don't hate anyone. A few characters grate on my nerves, or I wonder why they're so popular, but I always try to understand where they're coming from because their writer obviously spent a lot of time working on them. So I figure they're worth figuring out. But I suppose characters that I struggled to like, understand, or want to take anywhere are Leliana, Wynne, and Anders...

I got better, though.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't hate any squdmate in DAI but as for the series DA2 Anders still holds that spot.

Fenris. Couldn't stand that guy.

I always skip him now when filling out the Keep.

[roselavellan]

Bianca. Ugh.

 

Talking to her is like listening to nails on a blackboard.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I don't hate anyone, but I find the 'new and improved' Anders of DA2 to be a drag.  It's made worse by him being so great in Awakenings.

For DAI it's Blackwall, but I don't hate him.  I just don't know why he's there, you could take him out of the game and I wouldn't miss him at all.  His story doesn't interest me and I'd rather that effort have been put into the main quest line instead.

 

I guess they both have one thing in common, they're always feeling sorry for themselves and don't often lighten up.  *shrug*

 

Funnily enough I really disliked Sera, but after I gave her a chance she quickly became one of my favourites.

[Inkvisiittori]

I forgot... Celine and Michel De Chevin! I hated them in TME and was very happy that I could 'kill' both of them in Inquisition.   Usually my most hated characters just live on and on and become even more annoying! Like Alistair who went from "mildly annoying, but also kind of amusing" in DAO to "can't stand him anymore" in the comics. (Another example would be Satele Shan. WHY did Darth Malgus have to die but she gets to live? Ugh.)