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[Han Master]

The huge number of fetch quest killed the game for me, unenjoyable as DA 2 with the same crappy story telling. No wonder mordor is more popular.

[Aren]

DAI>DAO>DAII        Frosbite 3 vs Eclipse there isn't  much to say.........

 

BUT If we want to compare Inquisition now in the january of 2015 when there isn't for the game Dlc and new stuff vs DAII and DAO  with mods and expansions and  patch well then.

 

DAO>=DAI>DAII

 

 

But as i said imho  Inquisition is  the base, the core for many  additional cotenents.

[President of Boom]

No, we cannot.

[themikefest]

No

 

I like both DAI and DA2

[DragonAgeLegend]

Just because someone has an opinion that's different to yours, doesn't mean it's automatically classified as trolling. Jeez, the BSN hasn't changed.

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

No, it's not. It's worse. While DA2 had its fair share of problems it was at least a consistent experience with a clear focus. DAI is just a mediocre-by-design game.

[leaguer of one]

No, it's not. It's worse. While DA2 had its fair share of problems it was at least a consistent experience with a clear focus. DAI is just a mediocre-by-design game.

Nope. Your opinion is warped by the fact you can't adapt. No way is dai worse then da2.

[leaguer of one]

 broken promises and the empty worlds.. once you clear a map that is it.. it is clear.. come back a few levels and there are new enemies.. clear them and that is it, clear once more.. 

 

That's every rpg ever and dai is hardly empty.

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

Nope. Your opinion is warped by the fact you can't adapt. No way is dai worse then da2.

 

Your opinion is warped because you see things through rose-colored glasses. The only things they've improved on from DA2 are the level recyclings, the enemy respawns and the visuals. Everything else is worse, sorry.

[tmp7704]

Your opinion is warped because you see things through rose-colored glasses. The only things they've improved on from DA2 are the level recyclings, the enemy respawns and the visuals. Everything else is worse, sorry.

What about dialogue system, wider VA selection, some actual race selection, ability to customize your origin, ability to customize the bonuses on your gear vs having to rely on the loot drops, etc? These are also worse than what DA2 did?

[Giubba]

No, it's not. It's worse. While DA2 had its fair share of problems it was at least a consistent experience with a clear focus. DAI is just a mediocre-by-design game.

oh cool just like witcher 1 & 2

[bzombo]

That's it

DAI win at more maps variety, graphics, maybe characters, content but as DRAGON AGE there are lot of things better made in DA2..

This game is winning awards and getting positive reviews by fans and critics. I think you might be off. DA2 had a lot of problems. It was a  solid game, but it didn't live up to the Dragon Age name.

[bzombo]

The huge number of fetch quest killed the game for me, unenjoyable as DA 2 with the same crappy story telling. No wonder mordor is more popular.

But there's a bunch of them you don't even have to do, and you'll still level up to 20+. There are so many quests you can skip some fetch quests. Every DA game has fetch quests, though, so not sure why all of a sudden they're bad.

[Giubba]

This game is winning awards and getting positive reviews by fans and critics. I think you might be off. DA2 had a lot of problems. It was a solid game, but it didn't live up to the Dragon Age name.

DA2 had 2 major problem:

1) Maps reuse
2) Wave combat reuse

That's it the rest was just mass hysteria.

[Lebanese Dude]

But there's a bunch of them you don't even have to do, and you'll still level up to 20+. There are so many quests you can skip some fetch quests. Every DA game has fetch quests, though, so not sure why all of a sudden they're bad.

 

What's funny is that the exaggeration is hilarious. There aren't that many fetch quests in the game as some people profess. 

 

"True" fetch quests are missions with relatively little context that involve you doing some menial task and there are so little of those. Most quests you receive are directly tied to the zone, have context, and are stepping stones of a larger goal.

 

Example:

Spoiler

Collecting dragon parts for the dragon researcher in the Western Approach unlocks fighting the Abyssal Dragon and an agent

 

The only zone that had a relatively high concentration of fetch quests is the Hinterlands and that is perfectly justified given that you are supposedly a fledgling organization and would do anything to garner some influence. The usage of the "ram meat" and "blankets" quests to mock the fetch quests is funny given that they are part of your ultimate task of assisting the refugees.

 

Example:

Spoiler

Assisting the refugees eventually allows you to recruit Corporate Vale as an agent, receive a large sum of gold, or some power. Even the quest involving the husband's ring is meant to guide you to unlocking the Templar camp quest which has a tangible effect on the area by clearing out all templars threatening refugees

 

So not only do these quests directly impact the immediate area, they also serve as tasks that ultimately give you agents, war table missions, warm fuzzy feelings etc...

 

The zones that are often played immediately after the Hinterlands (Storm Coast / Fallow Mire) have almost no fetch quests. Everything you do is tied to the zone plot with small exploration tidbits.

Requisition quests are repeatable quests that provide power and influence. A few of these requisition quests are "plot-related" and provide even more power and influence

Spoiler

Such as Giselle's Healing Herbs

 

The companion fetch quests mainly serve as tools to increase your followers' approval. They are supposed to be completed over time as you play the game and therefore have no real bearing on the fetch quest density. They are simply there to assist you and can be theoretically completely ignored if you play your cards right.

 

Similarly, most other collection quests which include shards and mosaics are just there for those who enjoy exploration and collection with some cool rewards in literature and gameplay.

 

I am astonished that people are so jaded as to call the bulk of DAI's missions irrelevant fetch quests. If people find themselves bored, then the probable cause of the problem is that DAI is focused on exploration. That's not everyone's cup of tea, but the game clearly advertised itself as such for more than a year before release. The story bits are as strong as ever and you can totally play the story with minimal exploration that you would happily do in other games.

[robertthebard]

DA2 had 2 major problem:

1) Maps reuse
2) Wave combat reuse

That's it the rest was just mass hysteria.

I'd buy into this, if it weren't for the fact that the DA 2 forums were only slightly less on fire than the ME 3 forums. Those two issues came up a lot, they surely did, but so did being limited to one race, Hawke being shallow, and even pointless/clueless. The dialog wheel, voiced protagonist in general, the character saying things the player wouldn't say, etc etc. What was the first bit of artwork we had concerning DA I? Companion customization. Why? Because it was also a big issue in DA 2. So this blanket DA 2 did everything better claim being made here is exactly people looking back with rose colored glasses. If there's any mass hysteria going on now, it's "DA 2 was a better game".

[Natureguy85]

DA2 had 2 major problem:

1) Maps reuse
2) Wave combat reuse

That's it the rest was just mass hysteria.

 

3) Bad story, ruining what good it did have.

4) Weak companions (though good companion interaction)

[Blessed Silence]

Hm.

 

I think DA:I is WORSE than DAO and DA2 with crap tactics and behaviour.

 

But DAI is BETTER than DA2 with more open maps to go to.

 

Seems the same in regards with lots of things to do.

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

What about dialogue system, wider VA selection, some actual race selection, ability to customize your origin, ability to customize the bonuses on your gear vs having to rely on the loot drops, etc? These are also worse than what DA2 did?

 

1) Dialogue system is actually worse because of the mediocre writing in general and the lack of being able to play anything else than the good guy. And sure, the great dialogue wheel aka "press heart to romance"...

2) What's "VA selection"?
3) I couldn't care less, sorry.

4) Customize your origin? Is that a joke? Apart from the race thing you have no origin at all in DAI if you don't make one up in your mind...

5) Crafting is not only extremely tedious in DAI (due to the horrible menu/UI architecture) it also kills off any possible traditional loot reward. Basically it's that bad that you don't get any real rewards at all in the game. I still have basically the same sword after 80 hours in the game that I already had 40 hours ago - of course a crafted one. Every legendary item I found in the meantime was worse. So yeah, all hail crafting (that also requires you to do pointless boring fetching and collecting bascially ALL THE TIME).

 

And how about pointless MMO zones with no connection to each other or the main story? How about simple button mashing gameplay? How about even more downgraded RPG mechanics everywhere? How about downgraded tactics? How about an even shorter main story with even worse writing? How about a lifeless world full of pointless filler content and horrible "book" quests? How about an even worse tactical camera and experience? How about having even less interesting characters? How about fuc... up PC controls and cut features? How about having an horrible UI/menu on both PC and console? How about having only ridiculous looking armors that in no way look like heavy armors? How about having a minimap that kills of every sense of exploration in advance? How about having no story pacing at all? How about all classes and character being simple damage output classes? How about size ratios and geometries in the game world being completely off? How about the game world being completely unimmersive and lifeless? How about having a braindead companion AI? And so on and so on...

 

DA2 had a limited vision and scope and some obviously bad systems like enemies respawns and level recycling. But it was still a much better game than DAI in almost every aspect, especially when it comes to game design. DAI is just a mediocre mess with a lot of systems that don't work together well or are only half-decently developed...

 

 

oh cool just like witcher 1 & 2

 

LOL, is that one of these sad "I've seen you have a Witcher avatar so I try to attack something you like because I have no other arguments" approaches? How boring...

 

If you want to discuss the Witcher games feel free to do so on the CDPR forums.

[Farangbaa]

The only zone that had a relatively high concentration of fetch quests is the Hinterlands and that is perfectly justified given that you are supposedly a fledgling organization and would do anything to garner some influence. The usage of the "ram meat" and "blankets" quests to mock the fetch quests is funny given that they are part of your ultimate task of assisting the refugees.

And those quests are part of acquiring an agent.

[Farangbaa]

4) Customize your origin? Is that a joke? Apart from the race thing you have no origin at all in DAI if you don't make one up in your mind...

Press new game. Select race. There's your origin story written down for you.

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

Press new game. Select race. There's your origin story written down for you.

 

Wow, great, what an achievement in game design. Really GOTY material now! Someone at Bioware took the time to wrote a 5 minutes synopses of your backstory in a text window at game start. Now the game is of course 100x better than DA2...

[Lebanese Dude]

Press new game. Select race. There's your origin story written down for you.

I wouldn't bother arguing with someone who dismisses race selection as irrelevant.

[His Majesty Lord Crash]

I wouldn't bother arguing with someone who dismisses race selection as irrelevant.

 

What's wrong with that? I play a human guy in every RPG. So the race selection doesn't bother me at all. It's something I don't use anyway so why should I care about it.? Deal with it that race selection doesn't make the game any better for me.

[Lebanese Dude]

What's wrong with that? I play a human guy in every RPG. So the race selection doesn't bother me at all. It's something I don't use anyway. Deal with it.

 

You literally just admitted to bias. I rarely play anything other than human males, but I don't dismiss the potential. Just because it doesn't apply to me. doesn't make it an irrelevant feature.

 

Not gonna even touch the rest of your post.