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[Lord Giantsbane]

So I was thinking that with a world this diverse, with at least four principal races shown, there would be some intermingling to form cross race people, like half human half dwarf etc. This is one completely unexplored concept in the games.

 

In the books, only the concept of human/elf mixing is explored, and it is said that elves discourage it because the child is always human. It should be further explored with all the 6 combinations, and at least some of such people should be shown in the next game, of not as players, then at least NPCs. Thoughts?

[robertmarilyn]

I suspect that the elf/human combination occurs more than anyone will admit. When the "human" baby is born, it then lives as a human since there is less discrimination as a human. I wonder if Sandal is a dwarf/human. 

[Ruairi46]

I have my theories that Sandal is the spawn of all four. 

[Navasha]

I wouldn't mind if they just followed genetics here a bit and made it so that cross-races just didn't happen.   If they are different enough to be considered different species than technically they wouldn't be able to procreate. 

[Nyaore]

I wouldn't mind if they just followed genetics here a bit and made it so that cross-races just didn't happen.   If they are different enough to be considered different species than technically they wouldn't be able to procreate. 

Unfortunately given the existence of Alistair and Feynriel they'd have to do an immense amount of retconning to do that.

[Vox Draco]

Well, guess DA uses the a variation of the easy Tamriel-genetics to some degree: Offspring is always the same race as the mother...Bethesda obviouslyhad no interest in adding even MORE races to choose from, with all the possible combinations ^^ Clever girls at Bethesda...

[Jester]

I wouldn't mind if they just followed genetics here a bit and made it so that cross-races just didn't happen.   If they are different enough to be considered different species than technically they wouldn't be able to procreate. 

Well, they're not considered different species. They're considered different races - like dogs or cats for example. a Cocker Spaniel looks drastically different when compared to German Shepard, but technically they can interbreed.

Similarly, a human and elf can interbreed - although I don't know about other races - do we know anything about human/dwarf children? Or qunari/anything else?

[Former_Fiend]

Supposedly, half-dwarves were supposed to look like genuine crossbreeds; taller than dwarves, shorter and stockier than humans.

 

Then Kieran happened and he looked just the same as a half-dwarf as he does as a human, elfblooded or otherwise. And no, before anyone suggests it, it can't be handwaved with the dark ritual making him look human for some weird "magic" reason, since Kieran can be a normal boy without the old god soul. I imagine that was primarily for convenience's/laziness' sake, but it's there.

 

I'm personally the most curious about the potential for qunari crossbreeding with other races. Devs mentioned that the qun forbids interracial procreation, which I found curious as the qun's breeding program is geared towards breeding superior traits, not some concept of racial purity. As such they should be open to the idea of experimentation with it, which makes me think that they tried it at some point and didn't like the results. 

[Angarma]

Actually, if your Warden was a Dwarf in DA:O and performed the Dark Ritual, Kieran is Half-Dwarf.
I'm not sure whether it was intended to compensate for this, but he's rather bulky, tall; for a ten year old.

As well, for Half-Elves, you've got Alistair, Feynriel, Michel de Chevin and Slim Couldry featured in the games.

If you want more detail about why they haven't done more with half-breeds, David Gaider has talked about it once:

 

http://forum.bioware...e-2#entry574687

 

Well, guess DA uses the a variation of the easy Tamriel-genetics to some degree: Offspring is always the same race as the mother...Bethesda obviouslyhad no interest in adding even MORE races to choose from, with all the possible combinations ^^ Clever girls at Bethesda...

 
There's still some ambiguity in the Elder Scroll franchise concerning this, as far as I'm aware.
Karliah, for instance, has purple eyes. Which goes to the debate of Nocturnal's influence, to Breton ancestry.
And there's a lot of muddied ground when it comes to the relation between the Akaviri and the Tsaesci.
 
On top of this, there's very little detail on Half-Beastfolk; unless ESO has shed some light on this.

[herkles]

wouldn't it be more inter-species mingling over inter-racial?

[leaguer of one]

Unfortunately given the existence of Alistair and Feynriel they'd have to do an immense amount of retconning to do that.

And what of Ser Micheal?

[Jazharah]

I want a dwarf with horns and pointy ears and an extra abilty point.

[Nyaore]

And what of Ser Micheal?

Completely forgot about him!

[panamakira]

I have heard to some degree about most races mingling except the Qunari. Any info on that? I haven't even read anything from the devs. You're gonna tell me that all this time no one has attempted to have a Qunari baby for I don't know.....reasons? I would imagine is not possible at all, yes?

 

Gaider points out a Half-Dwarf (which would look like a short human or a tall dwarf is extremely rare). So Qunari-Human/Elf/Dwarf has never happened?

[Former_Fiend]

I have heard to some degree about most races mingling except the Qunari. Any info on that? I haven't even read anything from the devs. You're gonna tell me that all this time no one has attempted to have a Qunari baby for I don't know.....reasons? I would imagine is not possible at all, yes?

 

Gaider points out a Half-Dwarf (which would look like a short human or a tall dwarf is extremely rare). So Qunari-Human/Elf/Dwarf has never happened?

 

I believe Gaider - though it might have been Weekes - claimed that under the Qun, the Tamassrans never pair people of two different races together for breeding purposes. 

 

As I mentioned earlier, I find this quite curious. The goal of the Qun's selective breeding is to make everyone better; better warriors, better laborers, better priests. You get that via experimentation, so they would have had to at least tried it at some point.

 

Then we take into consideration tal-vashoth/vashoth qunari; we know there's interracial relations going on with them because we see it in DAI; Bull has had sex with half the women in Skyhold and we have the qunari inquisitor pairing off with Cassandra, Josephine, or Blackwall in relationships that could conceivably produce children.

 

So yea, it strikes me as odd that this hasn't come up.

[panamakira]

Then we take into consideration tal-vashoth/vashoth qunari; we know there's interracial relations going on with them because we see it in DAI; Bull has had sex with half the women in Skyhold and we have the qunari inquisitor pairing off with Cassandra, Josephine, or Blackwall in relationships that could conceivably produce children.

 

So yea, it strikes me as odd that this hasn't come up.

When I mentioned Qunari (I meant the race not the religion, so I was talking about the Ox-men). It can get confusing. I believe Iron Bull has sex with everybody because he has lived in Southern Thedas long enough to get away with it, he was pretending to be Tal-Vashoth for so long that I don't think he even knows where he started to slowly break away from the pack. As for the Inquisitor Qunari, he/she hasn't adopted Qunari customs so I assumed whoever they hooked up with, is a unique thing? I know we've seen Qunari in Ferelden and other areas but I don't think we know enough of those like our Qunari Inquisitor's parents to know how they integrate to the rest of the society in Thedas. 

 

Also unless it's related to procreation, I had assumed as a Qunari (religion) you could have sex with any Qunari? Obviously you have to go through the Tamassrans, but if it's just to scratch an itch...

 

Otherwise if you were an Elf (Viddathari) that wanted to have sex, the Tamassrans only pair you up with other Viddathari? 

 

This is why need to go to Par Vollen. There's so much I want to know about Qunari. 

[Former_Fiend]

When I mentioned Qunari (I meant the race not the religion, so I was talking about the Ox-men). It can get confusing. I believe Iron Bull has sex with everybody because he has lived in Southern Thedas long enough to get away with it, he was pretending to be Tal-Vashoth for so long that I don't think he even knows where he started to slowly break away from the pack. As for the Inquisitor Qunari, he/she hasn't adopted Qunari customs so I assumed whoever they hooked up with, is a unique thing? I know we've seen Qunari in Ferelden and other areas but I don't think we know enough of those like our Qunari Inquisitor's parents to know how they integrate to the rest of the society in Thedas. 

 

Also unless it's related to procreation, I had assumed as a Qunari (religion) you could have sex with any Qunari? Obviously you have to go through the Tamassrans, but if it's just to scratch an itch...

 

Otherwise if you were an Elf (Viddathari) that wanted to have sex, the Tamassrans only pair you up with other Viddathari? 

 

This is why need to go to Par Vollen. There's so much I want to know about Qunari. 

 

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that in a work of fiction, people only get pregnant when it's convenient for the plot. Someone who's had as much sex with as many different people as Bull has would have almost certainly knocked one of them up by now. 

 

As for what happens under the qun, I'm not sure, beyond that I assume they take specific contraceptive measures for the "cork popping" the tamassrans do.

[Nefla]

Well, guess DA uses the a variation of the easy Tamriel-genetics to some degree: Offspring is always the same race as the mother...Bethesda obviouslyhad no interest in adding even MORE races to choose from, with all the possible combinations ^^ Clever girls at Bethesda...

I always knew Bethesda employed velociraptors in their lore department. Who else would have made Argonians?

[ebby0110]

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In the books, only the concept of human/elf mixing is explored, and it is said that elves discourage it because the child is always human. [/quote]u

Really? Dude in DA2 was clearly half elf & human, the ears gave him away. Was kinda disappointed when my Wardens kid didn't have elf ears but chalked it up to old god baby.

[KaiserShep]

Feynriel didn't have the ears, just a bit of the facial structure. Then there's Alistair, who is pretty much just a human with an elven mother.

[Nyaore]

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Really? Dude in DA2 was clearly half elf & human, the ears gave him away. Was kinda disappointed when my Wardens kid didn't have elf ears but chalked it up to old god baby.

Spoiler

His ears are pretty human, actually.

[ebby0110]

Yeah I had to go back and check that. I swear it was the ears that stood out to me. Guess it was just his face, Ah well.

[atamajakki]

Half-Elves are well discussed in canon. Gaider said that Half-Dwarves are possible, but unlikely due to low dwarven fetility. No word on Half-Qunari, but my crazed pet theory is that they're a magically created race that breeds true.

[herkles]

So if humans and elves and dwarves and maybe qunari can all breed with one another are they the same species?

[X Equestris]

So if humans and elves and dwarves and maybe qunari can all breed with one another are they the same species?

I could see humans, elves, and dwarves having a common ancestor or something. Maybe they're just different subspecies. Humans in the real world intermingled with Neanderthals, after all. If the qunari are a magically created race as some suggest, they might also have the same ancestor.