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[ashwind]

I think that, between DA:O and DA:I, this is really what it boils down to. There are many things about DA II's combat that I would consider to simply be poor combat design; DA:I is mostly decently designed mechanically, but not at all to my taste (I do like the game despite that, however). DA:O is also well designed, although not perfect, but far more to my taste mechanically.

I can and do easily adapt to different systems in games, but I have a strong preference for auto attack and auto dodging in RPGs because I feel that's a better fit for the genre. It represents more fully that it's your character who's doing the attacking, and you're controlling your character by coming up with the strategy and building the character as they level up and so forth. I'm actually fairly fond of action combat, in action games -- I like first-person shooters, for instance -- I just don't feel that it mixes well with RPGs. It also often creates a disconnect between the lore of the game world and what one hears in character and the mechanics, and that is not a good thing. It's a problem I have with DA:I.

 

Which is why I say it is all about personal preference. Personally, I never associate the RPG genre with any particular game mechanic. It is about me assuming the role of a character and that's it. The rest are all meta gaming.

 

To me, I am assuming the role of one character and the need to control my companions makes me feel like I am playing WH40k.

[Ashen Nedra]

I don't know who left Bioware after making Origins, if the rumors are to be believed, but I really wish they had stayed.

 

All it took was watching a Let's Play on Youtube of the Awakening DLC to realize how much better Origins was. SO MANY AWESOME ABILITIES! So much better combat, easier to control, worked great on the harder difficulty and the tactical camera was smooth and flawless. 

 

It's taking all the self control I have not to just shelf Inquisition and start playing the original again. 

QFT!!!

[Althix]

p/s: I play DAI with mouse/keyboard and love the controls before someone accuse me of using a controller.

i don't use pause in DAO because my party is a tuned tool of destruction. although i agree, pause and tactical camere are need for Origins. This is why Origins has a gambit system. And DA2 has improved gambit system for cross class combos, actions based on status etc.

Which was killed in DAI, killed dead i must add. And in return we got very little. You can't even set waypoints... Was it made this way so you could feel more involved in the combat? Perhaps. But from my tree i find combat mechanics of DAI dumb. Add to this horrible, anime esque movesets and animations and there you have it.

But again - to each his/her own.

 

However my main issue with DAI is not a combat, graphics or controls. But the sad fact of how main story arc was made. Mediocrity. Uninspired. No immersion. No " LETS DO THIS SHHHHHH" moments.

[ashwind]

i don't use pause in DAO because my party is a tuned tool of destruction. although i agree, pause and tactical camere are need for Origins. This is why Origins has a gambit system. And DA2 has improved gambit system for cross class combos, actions based on status etc.

Which was killed in DAI, killed dead i must add. And in return we got very little. You can't even set waypoints... Was it made this way so you could feel more involved in the combat? Perhaps. But from my tree i find combat mechanics of DAI dumb. Add to this horrible, anime esque movesets and animations and there you have it.

But again - to each his/her own.

 

However my main issue with DAI is not a combat, graphics or controls. But the sad fact of how main story arc was made. Mediocrity. Uninspired. No immersion. No " LETS DO THIS SHHHHHH" moments.

 

I agree that the story arc in DAI is not as good as DAO. 

 

As for DA2 I cant even complete a 2nd playthrough because the wave like arcade combat (What am I playing? Dynasty freaking Warriors?) that takes place in the same spot (cut&paste) for the entire game. The only DA in the series I play on normal because tedious, boring and infuriating. Yes, I cannot forgive the cut&paste environment, Bioware didnt even bother to change the mini maps of those reused environment which shows how insincere the developers are. 

[lottie53]

Origins is better than DA1 in every way except perhaps for beautiful environments which is where Inquisition excels.

 

I haven't loved any characters in any games more than Alistair, Zev and Morrigan. I include some really awesome characters like Minsc (and Boo), Morte, Fall from Grace, Carth Onasi, Revan and Hawke. In Origins they were so well rounded and individual. Alistair is divine in his innocence, Zev in his tortured soul hidden under studied cynicism and Morrigan.......is just Morrigan. I really liked Cullen, did like Dorian, Bull and Cassandra and Viv was ok but they didn't grab me as much. Sera was a nightmare. Childish and annoying.

 

Combat was better because you could pause easily (on my 360 pausing just faded to black in DA1, don't know why). Tactics WORKED. In DA1 my party did what they wanted and I struggled using Hold. I loved being able to use EVERY ABILITY in combat not just 8! Ridiculous decision.I loved having healing magic and Wynne. I can go with barrier and guard but prefer magic and LOTS of potions. I loved levelling up MY stats and attributes. Really bad messing with that!

 

I loved searching out great armour sets and weapons. Random loot drops are horrible. All my characters looked nice - DA1 is an ugly fest. I do like the male British voice in Inquisition but he always sounds so polite and my warden could be a nasty piece of work - miss that choice. Miss awesome moments like kill Loghain? recruit Loghain? make Alistair king? make him marry Anora?  have Anora execute Alistair? (NEVER!!) sacrifice Isolde or take blood magic in exchange for Connor? surrender to Cauthrien and have any of my party come get me or take her out when Anora betrays me? Kill Wynne, destroy the Ashes? I could go on. Choosing between Hawke or Alistair in Inquisition did have emotional resonance however.

 

I want at least 1 city in Inquisition, much more snarky party banter and the end to endless fetch quests which are horrible and annoying. I want a better more frightening enemy and loot I CAN FIND WITHOUT PUSHING A PING BUTTON. I thought the romance options were ok in Inquisition and really like the diversity available - Bioware does well there. I would have liked my quarters in Skyhold to be more interactive and hate the boring uniform there but these are minor points. I liked doing some judgements in Skyhold but should look powerful in awesome ceremonial armour and SHOULD NOT SLOUCH on my throne.

 

My overall reaction to DA1 is one of being bored and underwhelmed. Such a pity. I pre-ordered, big mistake but won't ever be doing that again.

[Persephone]

All this does is remind me of posts like this being written by the BG crowd treating DAO like the AntiChrist when it came out. It was just as annoying then as it is now.

 

But hey, now DAO has been declared a saint and the last "true" RPG and I'm just like......these rose tinted glasses are so out of fashion, take 'em off.

 

P.S. I like DAO. But posts like this make me only more aware of how flawed it actually is.

[line_genrou]

All this does is remind me of posts like this being written by the BG crowd treating DAO like the AntiChrist when it came out. It was just as annoying then as it is now.

 

But hey, now DAO has been declared a saint and the last "true" RPG and I'm just like......these rose tinted glasses are so out of fashion, take 'em off.

 

P.S. I like DAO. But posts like this make me only more aware of how flawed it actually is.

 DA2 still sucks to this day and most of the old fans hate it though

that hasn't changed

 

I like DAI. DAO is far superior still (I don't think Bioware will ever top that to be honest, that game and the first ME) but I say DAI is the sequel from Origins we should have got

[Tchos]

Persephone: Do you have examples of individuals who changed their opinions of these games in the way you describe, or are you getting annoyed about a crowd of many voices, some of whom hated DA:O and loved BG, others of whom loved DA:O and hated BG, and others of whom loved both?  Hypocrisy is for individuals, not groups of differing opinions.  There is no "BG crowd" who went from antichrist to saint with regard to DA:O.

[lottie53]

I am a bit confused as to why anyone would be annoyed by any gamer saying they prefer x game to y. Origins wasn't perfect- the Fade section Lost in Dreams was tedious but in my opinion it was the best game I have played and I loved it. I wish I loved DA1 as I paid good money for it but if anyone prefers it to Origins good for them. Baldur's Gate was awesome, played it twice, Kotor 3 times and thought some of ME2 stunning. Struggled with Inquisition, stopped when I had to find the Wardens and won't finish or replay. Just an opinion.

[olnorton]

I am a bit confused as to why anyone would be annoyed by any gamer saying they prefer x game to y.

Coming on any of the Bioware forums & saying you prefer x to y, is like waving a red rag at a bull.
And there is no shortage of bull unfortunately.

[Xetykins]

The only thing DAI beats DAO for me is that it's pretty. Does not mean I did not enjoy DAI :-)