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[CommunistKing]

Look, I understand its been like three years since ME3's release, but am I the only one who's still outraged by the ending? I don't mean to cause a stir among fans, I consider myself one of the biggest Mass Effect fans in the series  lifespan. But that being said, I still to this day cant except the ending that we got to Mass Effect 3 and I feel that just forgetting about it and letting the topic die is doing a HUGE disservice to one of the greatest franchises of all time. So there it is im resurrecting it, why wasn't the indoctrination theory or some other better ending adopted?  

[NortheastPizza]

Why didn't we get to see what happens after Shepard wakes up/is indoctrinated? Since the "end" was actually a dream, we never really stopped the reapers from destroying earth. As we speak they're still there, because we never stopped them. We were never given the chance. Shepard is still lying in that rubble, or walking around as an indoctrinated henchman. Nothing we can do about it though, Bioware never gave us the end of the game.

[Excella Gionne]

If they adopted a better ending and/or indoctrination theory, I'd cry even more. A series built upon through the years instead of being pre-determined and then revised through the years will most likely end up with a lot of story flaws and plot holes. 

[CommunistKing]

? What do you mean, wasn't the game already built up upon throughout the years? You can tell because the reapers motives change between ME2 and ME3, does that not prove they had to build on the story and change things? why couldn't they just give me proper closer, not that "interpret it the way you see it" BS. 

[Excella Gionne]

? What do you mean, wasn't the game already built up upon throughout the years? You can tell because the reapers motives change between ME2 and ME3, does that not prove they had to build on the story and change things? why couldn't they just give me proper closer, not that "interpret it the way you see it" BS. 

What I meant was that the Mass Effect series was already planned to be a trilogy, but they didn't have any sort of story planned out for 2 and 3 yet. All we knew was that 3 would be the biggest game. During the production of 2, the writers were thinking of making Shepard some sort of alien and not human at one point. I think Mass Effect 2 would be the only game that carries most unused story plots as it was the middle game that tied events together.

 

Reaper motives from 2 to 3 are entirely different. What do you think the Human Proto-Reaper was for? Certainly it was not meant to say that the Reapers got bored of their creators' image and decided to fancy things up a bit. Mass Effect 3 tries to avoid the ME2 unused story plots as much as it can. Human harvesting, human reaper, dark energy expansion, and etc. 

[SilJeff]

Have we reached the 1 millionth whining about the ending topic yet?

 

Extended Cut, Leviathan, and Citadel all point towards that Bioware knows they made mistakes in 3 [EC fixing the lack of closure/choice differences, Leviathan fixing the lack of foreshadowing, and Citadel fixing the lack of ME2 squadmates]. I am sure they are being more careful with ME4 judging by their virtual silence on it, which means less chances of overhyping it like last time.

 

Was the ending bad? sure, but I think constantly whining about it for 3 years despite the rest of the trilogy being a blast is doing a disservice to you.

[GalacticWolf5]

What do you think the Human Proto-Reaper was for? Certainly it was not meant to say that the Reapers got bored of their creators' image and decided to fancy things up a bit.

 

The Human-Reaper was meant to be the core of a larger Reaper. A Sovereign class Reaper is two kilometers in length. The Human-Reaper is way smaller than this (I believe he's bigger than a Reaper Destroyer which are 160 meters). It would've been the core of a Sovereign class Reaper. The Reapers probably make a core that somewhat looks like the harvested species and then put it in a Sovereign class Reaper.

[egervari]

The dark energy thing with the human reaper was really interesting, and having heard some of Drew's notes, I would have definitely enjoyed that ending much more.

 

Like with a bad fiction with some good parts, you just gotta chalk it up to bad writing and planning and stop trying to make sense of it. Just be disappointed and try to accept that the answers were not well-thought out. Bioware isn't perfect, and they fucked up. Trying to make sense of it gives Bioware too much credit, where it isn't due in this case.

 

Between the Protean DLC and the ending, that's all the evidence you should need that logical, rational stories have been cast off to the wayside in favour of paid high critic scores, irrational gaming journalism defenses of the ending, and no longer having the full expectation that you're buying a complete product upon purchase.

[Kurt M.]

Install the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLC's and stop complaining.

[themikefest]

They wanted the story to end in 3 games. With the amount of stuff that was put in ME3, some parts got more attention than other parts. Had ME3 been given 12 more months the game might be different than what it is now. With the time that was given and the amount of stuff, I would've made it 4 games.

 

I like the destroy ending

[Valmar]

Look, I understand its been like three years since ME3's release, but am I the only one who's still outraged by the ending? I don't mean to cause a stir among fans, I consider myself one of the biggest Mass Effect fans in the series  lifespan. But that being said, I still to this day cant except the ending that we got to Mass Effect 3 and I feel that just forgetting about it and letting the topic die is doing a HUGE disservice to one of the greatest franchises of all time. So there it is im resurrecting it, why wasn't the indoctrination theory or some other better ending adopted?  

 

If you even have to ask if you're the only one outraged about the ending then you clearly don't visit here often. 3 posts is proof enough of that, though. A day doesn't go on this forum where someone isn't crying over the ending, be their complaints justified or otherwise.

 

 

Why didn't we get to see what happens after Shepard wakes up/is indoctrinated? Since the "end" was actually a dream, we never really stopped the reapers from destroying earth. As we speak they're still there, because we never stopped them. We were never given the chance. Shepard is still lying in that rubble, or walking around as an indoctrinated henchman. Nothing we can do about it though, Bioware never gave us the end of the game.

 

Because IT is just a creation of the fan community and not actually lore or canon. They did give us an end to the game. Whether you like the ending given doesn't really matter in this regard.

 

 

 

Reaper motives from 2 to 3 are entirely different.

 

Incorrect. The motives provided in ME2 are very much in-line with their motives in Mass Effect 3.

 

 

 

 

What do you think the Human Proto-Reaper was for? Certainly it was not meant to say that the Reapers got bored of their creators' image and decided to fancy things up a bit.

 

Mass Effect Wiki on Reapers:

"The core of any Reaper is constructed in the image of the species that was harvested to create it, while the exterior follows a standardized design that is most efficient for their purpose."

 

 

 

Mass Effect 3 tries to avoid the ME2 unused story plots as much as it can. Human harvesting, human reaper, dark energy expansion, and etc. 

 

Harvesting is a even bigger story plot element in ME3 then it is in ME2.

[Gambit458]

People need to quit making the EC sound like it fixed anything. All it did was add on to an already bad ending. Leviathan? Leviathan made the ending sound even worse because if you listen to what Leviathan had to say about the Catalyst then you pretty much see that the Catalyst is a hypocrite for doing exactly what it was trying to stop. All Bioware had to do to solve the ending problem was release their original ending to the game. I've read what they planned to originally do with the ending and it made perfect sense due to the dark energy and stuff. 

[Iakus]

Look, I understand its been like three years since ME3's release, but am I the only one who's still outraged by the ending? I don't mean to cause a stir among fans, I consider myself one of the biggest Mass Effect fans in the series  lifespan. But that being said, I still to this day cant except the ending that we got to Mass Effect 3 and I feel that just forgetting about it and letting the topic die is doing a HUGE disservice to one of the greatest franchises of all time. So there it is im resurrecting it, why wasn't the indoctrination theory or some other better ending adopted?  

You're not alone.  Far from it.

 

But "the cruel and unfortunate truth" is our opinion simply didn't matter.  Our playstyle didn't matter.  Our characters didn't matter.  All that mattered was "the vision" for ME3. 

 

Don't like the endings?  Thought they were dissonant from the previous stories and how you played the game?  Bah, you're just confused and don't get it.  Too bad, so sad (or perhaps I should say "SO BE IT!!!") 

[CommunistKing]

Install the Extended Cut and Leviathan DLC's and stop complaining.

I have all the DLC's and all they do is leave more questions, and just accepting the ending as is is allowing a company to desecrate a story I love, so no i wont stop complaining. I will have "Mass Effect never properly ended" inscribed on my damn tomb stone if need be.

[themikefest]

I have all the DLC's and all they do is leave more questions, and just accepting the ending as is is allowing a company to desecrate a story I love, so no i wont stop complaining. I will have "Mass Effect never properly ended" inscribed on my damn tomb stone if need be.

You could put that as your signature

[CommunistKing]

Have we reached the 1 millionth whining about the ending topic yet?

 

Extended Cut, Leviathan, and Citadel all point towards that Bioware knows they made mistakes in 3 [EC fixing the lack of closure/choice differences, Leviathan fixing the lack of foreshadowing, and Citadel fixing the lack of ME2 squadmates]. I am sure they are being more careful with ME4 judging by their virtual silence on it, which means less chances of overhyping it like last time.

 

Was the ending bad? sure, but I think constantly whining about it for 3 years despite the rest of the trilogy being a blast is doing a disservice to you.

All of you simply excepting the ending and allowing yourselves to be subjugated by the poor one we were given, Shepard would be ashamed. You've all been indoctrinated. 

[CommunistKing]

You could put that as your signature

I will.

[Iakus]

I have all the DLC's and all they do is leave more questions, and just accepting the ending as is is allowing a company to desecrate a story I love, so no i wont stop complaining. I will have "Mass Effect never properly ended" inscribed on my damn tomb stone if need be.

If you're on a PC, I recomment following the link in my sig.

 

You may find a proper ending

[Kurt M.]

I have all the DLC's and all they do is leave more questions, and just accepting the ending as is is allowing a company to desecrate a story I love, so no i wont stop complaining. I will have "Mass Effect never properly ended" inscribed on my damn tomb stone if need be.

 

Your problem if you can never be satisfied with something, not anyone else's.

[CommunistKing]

Your problem if you can never be satisfied with something, not anyone else's.

Your problem for not being critical where you need be and allowing a company to rip you off.

[Ithurael]

OP...buddy...in order to prevent you from being banned I would just suggest to enter the final stage of grief. Acceptance

 

You do not have overly high standards and can't be satisfied -typical pro ender jargon - you are a normal person who probably read all of the pre release quotes like everyone

 

You are right to be angry...but I wonder if you are right to be THIS angry...

 

Don't attack people. Some like the ending. Hell...with enough headcanon (and I mean a lot of headcanon) it becomes bearable

 

IT will not happen..ever. It was never part of the plan. It will never be part of the plan. All you have with IT is speculationz...and that never ends well. Bio gave you and everyone an ending...then they expanded on that ending for free. They fixed what they could and that is that.

 

The way I see it OP you have two choices:
- Don't buy a bioware product again - ever - and move on

- Buy bioware products again - and move on

 

I hate the ending more than most, but I accept that it was rushed, not peer reviewed, and just fell flat of the dev promises/fan expectation.

 

There is nothing more we can do man...you can voice your opinions on this site...just try to have tact about it...so few people lack tact these days.

[CommunistKing]

If you even have to ask if you're the only one outraged about the ending then you clearly don't visit here often. 3 posts is proof enough of that, though. A day doesn't go on this forum where someone isn't crying over the ending, be their complaints justified or otherwise.

 

 

 

Yes actually, I am very new to this forum. I got fed up with these feelings building up inside me for the past few years and decided to find out if im alone. I am pleased to see that I am not.

[Kurt M.]

Your problem for not being critical where you need be and allowing a company to rip you off.

 

Yeah, having in mind I've played more than 1000 hours of ME3, plus 350 of ME3MP, I feel totally ripped off.

 

But keep acting like a brat and stating those "damn capitalistic companies!" crap. I'm not the one here being ridiculous.

[CommunistKing]

OP...buddy...in order to prevent you from being banned I would just suggest to enter the final stage of grief. Acceptance

 

You do not have overly high standards and can't be satisfied -typical pro ender jargon - you are a normal person who probably read all of the pre release quotes like everyone

 

You are right to be angry...but I wonder if you are right to be THIS angry...

 

Don't attack people. Some like the ending. Hell...with enough headcanon (and I mean a lot of headcanon) it becomes bearable

 

IT will not happen..ever. It was never part of the plan. It will never be part of the plan. All you have with IT is speculationz...and that never ends well. Bio gave you and everyone an ending...then they expanded on that ending for free. They fixed what they could and that is that.

 

The way I see it OP you have two choices:
- Don't buy a bioware product again - ever - and move on

- Buy bioware products again - and move on

 

I hate the ending more than most, but I accept that it was rushed, not peer reviewed, and just fell flat of the dev promises/fan expectation.

 

There is nothing more we can do man...you can voice your opinions on this site...just try to have tact about it...so few people lack tact these days.

Honestly yeah, it pains me to say it but I don't think im ever buying another Bioware game. And this is gonna hurt a lot but, especially not another Mass Effect.

[Kurt M.]

Honestly yeah, it pains me to say it but I don't think im ever buying another Bioware game. And this is gonna hurt a lot but, especially not another Mass Effect.

 

Oh, the ego of this guy...where did you come from? Beverly Hills?