I accidentaly hardened Lelianna on my Test-playthrough and when I watched her turn into this... monster... Marjoline 2.0... I genuinely wanted to cry. I felt so devastated. What did this life do to you, mon bonne amie? My best buddie?
I'm never going to let this happen in my main playthrough (not going to let her become a Divine either, she deserves a good vacation). This is just... heartbreaking
Yeah, she was right.
Ten hours into the Hinterlands and I can confirm that Ferelden does indeed smell like wet dog.
Better a wet-dog than those cheese eating poncy Orlesians. 
Hardened Leliana is so much better than softened. The latter is unreal and its totally ridiculous if you make her divine, its impossible to do the reforms she want to do peacefully.
I disagree, I miss the Leliana who will tell me tales.
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Unhardened Leliana is lovely. I clearly must play a bit of a softie myself because I picked all the 'unhardening' options without knowing. It brings out the early passion, faith and belief in goodness and inclusivity of the Leli I temember from DA:O. She wants the chantry to br a force for positivity and hope, not dogma and tradition. As an atheist I may not be the best qualified person to comment on religious figures, but she's the kind I'd prefer to have.
Yeah all throghout the game when I went against her ruthless decisions I was all "Leliana my bby what have they done to you :(" I remembered that sweet girl who loved to talk about stories, shoes and cute nugs. Granted, she still likes cute nugs but it was heartbreaking to see how cynical she had become. I'm glad I managed to restore her former self.
Yeah because that totally worked for Meredith.
Meredith didn't play the game. She simply seized power and dictated her will, and those around her, the nobles in the pro-mage playthrough and even many of her own templars, did not see any legitimacy in her actions.
Even Cullen began questioning if he was serving the templars or merely the Knight-Commander and felt they weren't the same thing.
The main difference between Meredith and Leliana is that Leliana would be appointed to be Divine, and as such is considered the voice of the Maker, whereas Meredith simply seized power and refused to give it up.
You can unhardened her in the game.
Yeah, I know that now, from reading the forums. The thing is, she's a spymaster; it's her job to kill traitors. And she did make a mistake with the scouts, I believe. So I ended up with hardened Leliana, even though I was trying to play a somewhat "soft" Quiz. So I guess, I, the player, think she has to be hard to do her job right. I'll have to see if I can come up with an Inquisitor who will think differently ...
Anyway, my Warden will be heartbroken when she gets back from wherever ... BTW, if your Warden romanced Leliana and survived the Archdemon, do we find out what happened to her/him? All Leliana said was that the Hero of Ferelden disappeared. Humph. I know my Warden wouldn't have left without a word to Leliana if she had any choice in the matter.
Meredith didn't play the game. She simply seized power and dictated her will, and those around her, the nobles in the pro-mage playthrough and even many of her own templars, did not see any legitimacy in her actions.
Even Cullen began questioning if he was serving the templars or merely the Knight-Commander and felt they weren't the same thing.
The main difference between Meredith and Leliana is that Leliana would be appointed to be Divine, and as such is considered the voice of the Maker, whereas Meredith simply seized power and refused to give it up.
I softened Leliana back up. It doesn't mean that she suddenly can't do her job competently or to make hard decisions if absolutely necessary, in my opinion; it just means that she remembers who she used to be after she found that single rose and that - sometimes - you can be merciful.
I think y'all are missing the biggest point of the story -- the person who "hardened" Leliana was Justinia, just by making her spymaster to begin with.
And Jusitinia's spirit or...whatever it was...later had a message for Leliana - that she was sorry and that she had failed her, too. Which kind of implied that she recognized what she had done to Leliana by making her the Left Hand.
Except for y'know being the defacto ruler of Kirkwall for over 20 years and having the City and Circle in a vice grip with the support of her Templar army.
And just like Leliana she ruled through intimidation and murder and it ended with her city being torn apart and her killed by her own weapon.
Somehow this seems relevant.
I think y'all are missing the biggest point of the story -- the person who "hardened" Leliana was Justinia, just by making her spymaster to begin with.
And Jusitinia's spirit or...whatever it was...later had a message for Leliana - that she was sorry and that she had failed her, too. Which kind of implied that she recognized what she had done to Leliana by making her the Left Hand.
And that whole element combined with a romanced Warden's 'help her find her way back into the light' letter...hngh *flails arms with emotions*
I will never understand why some people say unhardened Leliana didn't feel 'right' this game, tbh. It felt much more right to me.
I was a bit surprised by her my first time around as well. The game makes it pretty easy to miss a chance at 'softening' her so the hardened personality is pretty much default. Even though it was kinda sad to see Leliana in such a state of broken faith and lost hope, I thought it was a really interesting development in her character and appreciated it through an artistic perspective. She's had a hard life, it makes sense. Especially for someone who once had such a strong belief system, to watch it crumble was tragic but powerful, imo.
I will never understand why some people say unhardened Leliana didn't feel 'right' this game, tbh.
Because the hardened path is so much more fufilling.
Because the hardened path is so much more fufilling.
I believe we've already established long, long ago that we have very different definitions of 'fulfilling.'
Because the hardened path is so much more fufilling.
How so? Its much more fufilling to save Leliana from the dark personality she has in "In hushed whispers".
I want to experience both so I'm making sure not to harden her in my new game. As interesting as I thought it was, I really pitied her and it was tough seeing her in that state. So I may just make sure that never happens again.
Hmm. If 2/3 of the Divine candidate endings are complete nonsense, I wonder how the references are going to play out in the next game.
Eh hardened Leliana seems like the type to get stabbed in the back before long for me.
I mean there's a medium between EVERYONE SHALL BOW TO MY WILL and unhardened Leliana. But we can't get it. So I pick unhardened because it's less absurd.
How so? Its much more fufilling to save Leliana from the dark personality she has in "In hushed whispers".
A: I thought we were talking about real Leliana, not alternative Leliana which I don't give a crap about because the whole time travel aspect makes almost everything in that mission inconsequential and meaningless.
B: Because with the whole series in mind, Leliana's journey from pretending to be a sweet and caring girl to washing away all the pretend and embracing who she truly is, is quite satisfying.
I think y'all are missing the biggest point of the story -- the person who "hardened" Leliana was Justinia, just by making her spymaster to begin with.
True, that's why I tell her it was necessary and Leliana admits that she took the job knowing just what she was signing up for. I love hardened Leliana, she does the dirty work no one else is willing to do.
Hmm. If 2/3 of the Divine candidate endings are complete nonsense, I wonder how the references are going to play out in the next game.
An undercurrent of subdued unrest, with a side dish of insurrection on the part of anti-reformists.
The general populace is grateful to the Inquisition for peace and stability, but a reactionary movement begins to arise in reaction on the basis of too much or too little reform. If Leliana is Divine, it's anti-mage sentiment tied with some anti-elven sentiment. If Viviene is Divine, it's the mages, ironically tied to anti-mage sentiment against the Divine. If Casandra is the Divine, it's a little of both (not enough MAGE FREEDOM, too many reforms) tied with her disinterest and subsequent friction in The Game.
Nothing too serious at the time, more of a plot hook for future content or quest fodder in the sequel, while also providing a 'sorry we can't help you, we have our own issues' excuse for the Chantry not being in a position to help.
How so? Its much more fufilling to save Leliana from the dark personality she has in "In hushed whispers".
Thanks to her sacrifice which she did for hope of success (yes she didn't even know if it would mean something) we were able to come back from that future. Softened Leliana would broke under torture or fail to make the necessary sacrifice.
Softened Leliana as divine is ridiculous, so I suppose a softened Leliana who is not a Divine is good enough.
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