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[SpiritSharD93]

To clarify, I have no problem with homosexuals or their inclusion in our society or media (IE. Video games). I know I'm going to get some jackass(es) try and say otherwise, but I know where I stand on this.

 

 

I dislike how the relationship status with Dorian is handled. At risk of sounding like a homophobe, it feels shoved in your face.

 

I have to go through masses and masses of dialogue with either Cassandra or Jose in order to be able to select "Romance" dialogue. You have from the start of the game to progress this, and there's plenty of opportunities to flirt with these characters. It's spaced out, it's progressive, and to me it feels more natural.

 

Then Dorian shows up. I know he's gay because the devs and media decided it would be a good idea to spoil this for me before the game was even released, however it makes for an interesting character and their story/development; hey-ho my character is not gay, so this doesn't effect how I'm trying to play my Inquisitor's personality. No problems there.

Dorian has about two conversations with my Inquisitor before initiating his companion quest, requiring considerably less dialogue with him beforehand to get to this point. The only other character who has this happen to them is Cole, presumably because they both...

 

Spoiler

...appear in the game at roughly the same point, so the devs decided to advance their personal story a bit earlier.

 

No problems there.

 

As soon as I begin doing Dorian's quest-line, however, I'm immediately given the opportunity to begin a romance with him. The only time he has approved of me is at the very end of what I assume to be the first part of his quest-line. His card is the ONLY card to have changed in my game based on approval, yet Cassandra's hasn't despite approving everything I've said since the beginning of the game AND being my current romance. 

What gives?

Obviously there's a very simple solution; DON'T BEGIN A ROMANCE WITH DORIAN. But I do not understand why the relationship with him can't flow as naturally as the rest of the characters. Why am I pretty much instantaneously given the option?

[ArtemisMoons]

Idk, having run 6 characters through the various romance arcs, I feel that a lot of them unlock at about the same speed. The only ones that are a little longer (that I've played, mind you) felt like they were Cullen's and Iron Bull's. Cullen required me to go through certain story points before I could move to relationship status, and Bull required me to kill a dragon. The others- that I have done- could all be completed in about 9-10 hours according to my save files.

 

And ever character has flirt responses from the very first conversations, so I felt like they all moved about the same pace.

[InfinitePaths]

 

1.)It's your fault you spoiled a character feature for yourself if you read an interview about him online.

 

2.)He has less dialouge if you sided with the templars and as you mentioned he joins later in the story, ergo less dialouge.

 

3.)Diffrent romances have different pacing.

Example: Iron Bull almost immediately has sex with you, while with Josie and Cass you have to court them first.It is not a matter of sexual orientation, it is a matter of character personality.Dorian simply enjoys flirting, even with women.It's his character trait.

 

4.)

What's the problem with you getting the option to initiate a romance with him (possibly) earlier on than with some other characters and how does this relate to him being gay?

 

As mentioned before, different characters have different approaches to romance.It has nothing to do with him being gay.

[Dreamer]

Consider this, OP: There are plenty of men and women out there who take things slow, and I wager an equal amount are okay with things moving quickly.

 

Spoiler

It's clear Dorian is a free spirit who does not apologize for his sexuality. He's also dealing with repressed emotions with regard to relationships and this likely influences his desire to initiate something quickly. In this sense, the helpful inquisitor represents a male figure in his life who not only appreciates him, but understands him; this is likely the first positive male figure Dorian has encountered--at least since Alexius' fall to the Dark Side.

 

Move beyond seeing Dorian as his sexuality. As stated above, this is less about Dorian being gay as it is about him being open about relationships. Does it bother you that Iron Bull is infinitely more progressive about his desires?

 

Edit - I originally intended to add spoiler tags, but completely forgot. Apologies to anyone who got spoiled!

[metalfenix]

Different people, different sexualities, different paces towards romance. Bioware intended this from the very beginning.

[SpiritSharD93]

 

 

1.)It's your fault you spoiled a character feature for yourself if you read an interview about him online.

 

2.)He has less dialouge if you sided with the templars and as you mentioned he joins later in the story, ergo less dialouge.

 

3.)Diffrent romances have different pacing.

Example: Iron Bull almost immediately has sex with you, while with Josie and Cass you have to court them first.It is not a matter of sexual orientation, it is a matter of character personality.Dorian simply enjoys flirting, even with women.It's his character trait.

 

4.)

What's the problem with you getting the option to initiate a romance with him (possibly) earlier on than with some other characters and how does this relate to him being gay?

 

As mentioned before, different characters have different approaches to romance.It has nothing to do with him being gay.

 

Not really, considering many news articles had it in the bloody title.

 

See, I haven't seen that with Iron Bull. In fact the only option I have with him is "Goodbye".

 

No problem at all, I just want to know why the first gay romance character in a Bioware game doesn't have the progression of other relationships.

 

 

It's clear Dorian is a free spirit who does not apologize for his sexuality. He's also dealing with repressed emotions with regard to relationships and this likely influences his desire to initiate something quickly. In this sense, the helpful inquisitor represents a male figure in his life who not only appreciates him, but understands him; this is likely the first positive male figure Dorian has encountered--at least since Alexius' fall to the Dark Side.

 

That is a very fair point, and I appreciate the insight.

[InfinitePaths]

Not really, considering many news articles had it in the bloody title.

 

See, I haven't seen that with Iron Bull. In fact the only option I have with him is "Goodbye".

 

No problem at all, I just want to know why the first gay romance character in a Bioware game doesn't have the progression of other relationships.

 

 

1.)Stupid Immature gaming news articles do stupid sh*t.Unrelated to the game

 

 

2.)As mentioned multiple times before, different characters have different progression.Look at Solas, he...Well, I can't spoil.His progression is you unique, just as with every other character.I don't see any error in it.

[Bob Walker]

It is ironic that many players who really wanted to romance Dorian didn't get it because the game was bugged and the OP (who doesn't seem to be interested at all) managed to get it so quickly!

[Sylvius the Mad]

But I do not understand why the relationship with him can't flow as naturally as the rest of the characters. Why am I pretty much instantaneously given the option?

His story needs to work the same regardless of whether you chose the mages or templars. If you chose the mages, the two of you spend quite a bit of time together before In Your Heart Shall Burn. If you did, it's far less sudden.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

The way I see it, Dorian is a gay Tevinter mage who's father is a Magister - nobility basically. He's accustomed to instant gratification, he has been forced to repress his sexuality all of his life. Male Quizzy comes along and allows him to express himself openly and, freely admits to wanting to be his partner. Of course Dorian is going to jump at the opportunity. He does take a bit to actually make love with, he wants it but, he's unsure if he wants more or just a trist, it's his first real chance to love a man openly so, he comes off a bit anxious but wishy washy about it - hes excited and unsure of himself and, doesn't want to loose the opportunity. Hes pride keeps him from admitting it, but that's my take on him.

[daveliam]

No problem at all, I just want to know why the first gay romance character in a Bioware game doesn't have the progression of other relationships.

 

I took it as the way that Dorian uses casual sex as a shield.  It's not uncommon for gay men who aren't accepted by their families to turn to casual sex and alcohol after coming out.  I see Dorian's story as reflecting the real life experiences of many gay men that I know.  It's kind of how Zevran and Isabela are quick to sleep with you, but it takes more time to get them to commit to a more meaningful relationship.  Dorian uses casual sex as a way to get close to someone and is genuinely surprised when the Inquisitor wants it to be more serious.  It takes him time to accept that the Inquisitor is willing to be serious with him because, in Tevinter, gay relationships are kept casual between master and slave.  There's actually nice character development in that romance.  Perhaps you should try the romance plot before you criticize it?  It's one of the best written romances that I've experienced in the DA series and it fits his characters very well.

[Kalshane]

I think the "Romance" dialogue options are a little odd at times. Sometimes the icon is used to signify flirting, but other times they're used to show simple compassion (which likely advances the Romance arc for that character, but doesn't seem to be exclusively that, especially since even characters that aren't inclined towards your Inquisitor's race/gender will often approve of those comments.) I'm not sure what the idea was behind the Romance indicator was this time around (in DA2, everything marked with a heart seemed much more clear in intention). It seems to encompass too wide a range of dialogue.

 

As for Dorian, I'm playing a female Inquisitor (will likely go male for my second playthrough) and I had Heart options with him with from the start. I actually like his character as presented a lot, he and my Inquisitor have a pretty solid friendship with a lot of playful banter at this point in the game. I guess I'll have to see if anything changes in his presentation on my next playthrough.

[StrangeStrategy]

Cards do not change based on approval, they change based on active romance / companion quest completed.

 

Dorian never really had a true connection; He says what he does with men is just a game, he doesn't dare hope for more in Tevinter. So, of course, his romance moves fast and starts fast. That's just the way he is.

Meanwhile, Cassandra has only been with one man in her life and has an iron wall up protecting her. She isn't going to be as quick as someone like Dorian to begin a romance. I can't speak for Josie, as I haven't done her romance yet. 

[TeraBat]

I wonder if you feel that Blackwall's heterosexuality or Josie's bisexuality was spoiled for you? 

 

For what it's worth, I thought that the Blackwall romance moved pretty quickly. I just flirted with him a little bit in Haven and then BAM! making out on the battlements and everyone is treating as a couple. 

[Ms .45]

I wonder if you feel that Blackwall's heterosexuality or Josie's bisexuality was spoiled for you? 

 

For what it's worth, I thought that the Blackwall romance moved pretty quickly. I just flirted with him a little bit in Haven and then BAM! making out on the battlements and everyone is treating as a couple. 

 

I actually thought the Blackwall romance moved TOO fast (especially considering Blackwall's baggage), and now I'm having immense trouble romancing Dorian. He's obviously interested, but I can't get any more conversation or his specific personal mission (I've done his fetch quest). So apparently OP and I have a very different idea of "instantaneous".

[phaonica]

I'm pretty sure you can start flirting with Cullen and Solas, like, immediately, too. And I thought I saw flirt options with Cass pretty early on, too.

[tmp7704]

I dislike how the relationship status with Dorian is handled. At risk of sounding like a homophobe, it feels shoved in your face.

Throat. You mean, shoved down your throat.

i may or may not have a bingo card at hand.

[Hathur]

I find it unfortunate that Dorian's sexuality is what the OP (or others) find most notable (good or bad) about him. I find his sexuality one of the least relevant things about him. I enjoy his presence cus he's something of a "puckish rogue". He shares similarities with Varric and Isabella from Da2 in terms of personality, part of why I enjoy his personality.. he's simply charming and often funny or clever. Other than the 1 quest involved with him where his sexuality is mentioned, i find his "gayness" completely irrelevant and forgettable. He's simply a neat character.

[Akka le Vil]

I dislike how the relationship status with Dorian is handled. At risk of sounding like a homophobe, it feels shoved in your face.

 

I have to go through masses and masses of dialogue with either Cassandra or Jose in order to be able to select "Romance" dialogue. You have from the start of the game to progress this, and there's plenty of opportunities to flirt with these characters. It's spaced out, it's progressive, and to me it feels more natural.

 

I'd say the difference is just about personnality : Dorian is very flamboyant and flirty, while Josie is used to deal with things with a mask and Cassandra is very protective of her private life. I suppose Cullen is the same.

 

You can (try) to romance Sera very quickly too, also probably due to her outgoing personnality.

I can understand how Dorian can feel "in your face", but to me it's only tangentially related with "gay" or "straight" here.

[duckley]

I don't get it - I had flirt options with Cullen, Cass and IB from the get go...

[Riladel]

Well, its not only Dorian. For the female Inquisitor is pretty easy to start romance with Cullen. And the romance option in conversation appears in the very first conversation with Blackwall when you meet him. As far as I know one have to spent some time to start romance with Josephine and to romance Solas you need to trigger romance dialogue option buy completing some quests. But after starting romance you can go and kiss Cullen, Blackwall, Josephine at any time you want, but they didn't give us that option with Solas (I don't know about other characters).

 

About tarot cards: each character has 2-4 different cards: beginning, during the quest, after the quest and in the end of the game (www.gameranx.com/updates/id/25641/article/dragon-age-inquisition-every-tarot-card/)

 

And Dorian likes flirting, maybe this is the reason? I played as female, and even when he explained to me that he can be only friends with me, I continued flirting with him, and he liked it each time.

 

And it seemed to me that Dorian had  as much cutscenes as other characters.

[Nefla]

I agree that his romance, friendship, and general character arc could use more scenes/interaction/approval but bringing up the "it's being shoved in my face" catchphrase is not going to get many to sympathize with you.