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#26
whiteravenxi

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I'm confused. What does his romance kicking off faster than others have anything to do with his sexual orientation?

All the characters have slightly different pacing, you know, like real people. 

 

On a personal note, I enjoyed flirting with Dorian even though my female quiz fell hard for Sera. Dorian is charming as can be.


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Hey at least you could do his companion quest. I got the bug where you can't make any progress with him.



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My first character, like Dorian, had flirting as a way of connecting with other characters.  It is a way of approach, a flirty joke to break down barriers etc.  Sometimes it works, and sometimes it provokes insecurities ;)  Almost ALL of the companions have an option to flirt with them really early on.  In fact, the first people I know for a *fact* you can flirt with happen without doubt WAY before you even meet Dorian at all...Cass and Cullen in Haven.  Solas too for that matter. It all depends on how soon and how persistently you chat them up.   Flirting is NOT always intended to show 100% sexual interest with no escape plan.  For Dorian (and as far as we know, this could be a cultural approach.   Or, more likely a personality trait, a la Zevran...it isn't *new* that is for sure...) it seems simply to be how he conducts his personal relationships.  He likes to appear confident and is not afraid to flirt (with both sexes) -for him it isn't a promise, it's just part of Dorian being Dorian and he means no harm by it.   My first human fem Inq fell hard for him, despite her steady relationship with Cullen.  Dorian just has a golden tongue.       

 

He, in many respects, is an open book (or maybe it is more accurate to say his book has a few free-to-view chapters).  It means he has connected to you so is willing to share personal information with you.  It doesn't force you into a no-escape-evar-sexual-relationship-omg-did-i-say-i-wanted-this commitment with him.  

 

He is flirty and flamboyant and moody and frankly, a lot like me lol  Haha <Ahem>.    What I am trying to say is, I personally can understand people like Dorian and it is ok if you don't but it won't change Dorian any.  You don't have to like him...but Truth Be Truth:  he isn't forcing you into anything.     If it makes you feel uncomfortable, that is ok too, but having the option TO flirt is no different than any other companion out there.  You can flirt with them all.   

 

And, maybe you really DO have a nice butt so he tells you.  That is hardly asking you to stay for breakfast.  ;)    


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Just to jump in and clear a few points, since a handful of people have misunderstood...

 

 

1) His sexual orientation has very little if anything to do with what I'm questioning. I mention it because Dorian just so happens to be the first character in a Bioware game that is homosexual AND a romance option, and yet...

 

2) ...his romance arc is moved to the point where I can romance him WITHOUT EVER FLIRTING. It's just very sudden, with little time for character development in this regard, and I would have thought Bioware would have taken their time with this new inclusion.

 

 

Valid points so far have been the time in which he appears in the game (which I addressed in the original post), and his personality.

 

To the person who asked about having other romances spoiled. Yes, they were, unfortunately.

 

Pretty much every other character has flirting dialogue you *must* progress through in order to initiate a romance, at 'least from what I've seen. Dorian has this dialogue, but the option to become his romance is still available to me despite having never flirted with him.



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I couldn't agree with the OP more. They did not build Dorian's romance arc well. I loved him as a character and wanted to romance him, but the fact that you could flirt with him right off the bat and jump into bed with him so easily somehow made the romance feel less deep and meaningful. All it seemed like with Dorian was heart button ("Yeah, I'm hot, Inquisitor, and so are you!"), heart, heart, father, pendant, optional horizontal mambo, and not a peek about us right up until the end of the game.

 

They needed to pace the romance better, with more input being initiated by Dorian and with more substantial interactions before the culmination of the arc.



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Oh. I am so jelly. Dorian bugged for me and I didn't get any of his dialogue content except for when you first recruit him. :(

 

Wish I could have gotten all that cool stuff right from the get go.

 

Also, companion cards flip based on doing the personal quests, not approval. Though higher approval gets the quests quicker I think. I know you have the opportunity to get everyone's quests though when you advance the plotline regardless of influence.



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Apart from being gay, Dorian is an extrovert who comes from a society that is relatively open in sexual matters and his personality reflects this. Later on when you discover the companion's fears Dorian's is "temptation" which I read as him being aware that he is too voluble too driven by his impulses (not just sexual, he is vain and impatient and quick to anger), which conflicts with his main aspiration which is to be a good person... And he really is a good person.


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@SpiritSharD93:  Aside from the poor choice of using "shoved in my face" which instantly sets off the super sensitive crowd who then won't even think  about listening to your post... I found what you said to be the least homophobic criticism of Dorian on the BSN.

 

I also agree with you.

 

I had two options in this game.  Dorian or The Iron Bull - I was already predisposed to choosing Bull simply because pompous, dandy mages aren't "my thing". 

 

But then I was really turned off when, after his daddy issues are resolved, he's ready to enter a relationship with me. 

 

I think it has more to do with preferring to work a little bit for a relationship then have someone throw themselves at me the first moment I advocate for them.  No Dorian, me telling your father I'm gay too does not mean it's time for us to hook up.  I didn't even choose the Mages, I went with the Templars, and the only thing I know about you is that you're an alright dude who spared me from a trap - you're from Tevinter - and you "prefer the company of men". 

 

With Bull - we talk a lot in Haven, cutscene with troops, cutscene with Chargers,  cutscene that starts his personal quest, the going on the personal quest - then I "ride the Bull" - then I have "go again" - then I kill a dragon - celebration cutscene and THEN I make an item that confesses my love which leads to a cutscene that shocks Bull out of his "this was ONLY to help out the Inquisitor" to "okay, I've actually got feelings going on here." (not to mention the humor when some folks walk in) - to a cutscene where I tell Bull that "he" not "the sexual release of his Ben Hassrath training" is what I need... and he then finally says "I love you too."

 

I don't know Dorian's entire romance - and maybe it is just as rewarding... but it seems way WAY faster than Bulls.  Nothing inherently wrong with that... but it's not something that interests me to be sure. 



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I haven't read all of the posts so I'm not sure if it's already been said, but I recall getting the "heart" option for Cassandra during the first conversation at Haven. Also if you're male you get that option with Cullen at Haven too. It's something like "Are you seeing someone?"

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@SpiritSharD93:  Aside from the poor choice of using "shoved in my face" which instantly sets off the super sensitive crowd who then won't even think  about listening to your post... I found what you said to be the least homophobic criticism of Dorian on the BSN.

 

True enough, although I don't believe my vocab should be limited because of the, as you put it, "super sensitive crowd". I think the disclaimer at the beginning of my post clarifies my intentions, however. :)



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?

 

I've never had a problem with having romance dialogue options with him right off the bat, what?  I have more trouble with him talking off the bat about politics, because Slavery/Magisterium/Bloodlines thing than anything.  Talking with him and Solas as a devout Freemarcher Andrastian is a loaded conversation, but that's just volatile politics so it's fun IMO.



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I haven't read all of the posts so I'm not sure if it's already been said, but I recall getting the "heart" option for Cassandra during the first conversation at Haven. Also if you're male you get that option with Cullen at Haven too. It's something like "Are you seeing someone?"

 

It's not the heart option I'm talking about. I can *START A RELATIONSHIP* with him. The option to do so is right there after about two lengthy dialogue sessions with him and a companion quest cut-scene.

 

Cassandra? Josie? Numerous conversations, both with and without flirting, coupled with more in-depth companion missions.

 

It's not the flirting I'm questioning, it's about why I can start a relationship with him when I have never nor do I intend to show interest him, yet at the same time I have to spend quite a bit of effort to get other romances to become interested in me.



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It's not the heart option I'm talking about. I can *START A RELATIONSHIP* with him. The option to do so is right there after about two lengthy dialogue sessions with him and a companion quest cut-scene.

 

Cassandra? Josie? Numerous conversations, both with and without flirting, coupled with more in-depth companion missions.

 

It's not the flirting I'm questioning, it's about why I can start a relationship with him when I have never nor do I intend to show interest him, yet at the same time I have to spend quite a bit of effort to get other romances to become interested in me.

 

Have you read the explanations that numerous people have posted that explains why this makes sense given Dorian's personality?  I haven't seen you comment on those.  It actually make a lot of sense given Dorian's personality that he would be quick to leap into a sexual relationship with the Inquisitor.  I'm sure that this information isn't clear to you because it becomes more clear when you actually do that romance arc, but there are people here who have done that and are offering explanations that make sense and should answer your question. 



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Don't use the flirt option?

I mean ??? ?

I can't understand what's the problem ....oh noes flirting with this companion actually result in him wanting to flirt with me back.

Shocking.

 

For the record , you can easily romance him and you can easily dump him.

During all the romance you have the option to break up.

Just like kicking Sera out of the Inquisition.

Oh and you can even flirt to the death , have him in your bedroom and turn him down.

You can even romance him without sex if that's what you feel like.


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I never saw any problem with Dorians pacing. My first playthrough it did seems that Cass's quest was far more stretched out than the others, since she was the one I wanted to romance.

 

If anything the game seemed to be pushing me towards Josie. In both playthroughs I was trying to romance someone else and Josie shows up

 

Spoiler

 

Da2 Anders on the other hand was this:

 

"I'm so traumatised I had to kill my friend/lover Karl, I still have blood on my hands. Hey wanna make out? NO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ME EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST MET ME"

 

 

ETA

 

I think the pacing problems, if there are any, have to do with some companions quests being locked behind story progression. Dorians quest line you can access right away, but Blackwalls, is  somewhat delayed til after adamant, for instance.



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Dorian's flirtatiousness with the female is just him being:

1) Flirty and friendly by nature

2) Courtly flirtation from his Nobility background (think Teagan in Origins)

 

Spoiler

 

And really this topic probably would have been better done in the 'spoilers' section of the boards.  Apologies for anyone who read the above without the tag, I didn't realize till after I posted what section this thread is in.


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