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Was Corypheus a Good Villain?


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#76
Fardreamer

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The Circle Mage story also states that they were one best student in their circle.  The Grand Enchanter's star pupil.



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I like him a lot, my main problem with Corypheus is that he doesn't have enough screen time and there is no big confrontation between him and Inquisitor. What i mean by that is: i wish you could ask him questions like Shepard can do to Saren or Revan to Malak before they begin their showdown.

 

Sure Corypheus looks just like another villain who wants to take over the world, but the reason why i like him is not because of what he does, but because of what he represents.


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I had been hoping Bioware would finally learn that a villain requires presence and threat to be decent. I still say Sun Li is Bioware's best, not only was he a major presence in the protagonist's life in early game, he remained a major force in the plot thereafter. He actually succeeded in killing the protagonist, the culmination of a lifetime of manipulation and planning, it took an act of divine intervention to get the Spirit Monk back in the game. His threat was certainly not in question.

 

Exactly this.  Sun Li is what Cory should have been. Not just a threat to the world but personal. And with a plan that made sense. Once you found out what Li had done you could see how it fit into the cosmology of the world. That it would, in fact did, work.

 

I'm still not clear on how Cory's apotheosis was suppose to function what does getting back into the black city do? For me that is the bigger problem. What is really at stake? what exactly happens if I fail?


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I thought he was a great villain IN the DLC. Maneuvering that increasingly elaborate maze, dealing with the spinning fire, it was all gold! By contrast killing him at the end of DA:I just felt like a standard hack and slash affair. The dialogue you get, particularly if you take Anders with you is excellent as your companion starts questioning, what if mages were really responsible for the blight, does it justify their oppression etc.

 

I was hoping that the battle with Corypheus would have lead us to decide whether to go into the black city, and have some ethical dilemma's about whether mortals are being egotistical for wanting to enter a place reserved for gods. I wanted a choice about my orientation to going there.


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I'll get you next time inquisitor! Next time...

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I've been kind of fascinated with him as one of the magisters that broke into the Golden City and started the whole mess.  Makes me want to learn more about them and yeah don't tell the architect isn't one as well.  It seems to me they are a bigger threat than the old gods/arch demons are.   I highly doubt that he and the architect were the only ones still around to.



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See cory? Thats what u get when u skip too many classes of villian school.
Bad guy, no evil cookies for you

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I actually thought he was a minion the whole time. I was like "yeah ok give me the real villain now". But nope, he was the real villain of this game. His speciality was failing. He was quite good at it: fail, fail, fail. Sit and wait for the Inquisition to become even more powerful. Then fail, fail, fail. Charming.


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Main problem with Corypheus was that he already introduced to player in Legacy DLC(DA2) and were beaten by Protagonist(player), wich why in DAI(for me at least) he seems second hand Boss/Villain.



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I felt that Corypheus was just a stepping stone. An excuse to get the inquisition up and running to change the world of Thedas. The real stuff has only begun. But it's too bad they took an entire game for it. He'd have been better suited for a dlc villain and then have Solas be the main opponent in DA:I. Corypheus just doesn't have enough presence and personal menace to pull off a believable antagonist in a full game.



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i liked him, but he wasnt a big enough presence in the game. 

what WAS his previous name again?  what is he really?  whats he DOING while we tour the regions picking flowers? I didnt feel pressed to act. and the end fight was startlingly immediate. i dunno, it just wasnt fleshed out enough.

i liked the previous voice actor more too ;)

anyway - i hope they directly address the black city in future content. i know theyve gone to great lengths to make everything ambiguous, but i'd like them to stop muddying the waters and say, ok, here's what happened. i'm hoping the step they took making Solas Fen'Harel is a step in that direction. 

 

actually i'm pretty excited for what's coming, i think they have some ambitious plans, and i hope EA lets them deliver them.



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no, he was a bumbling oaf

 

he (and his goons) incompetance allow you to just walk over his forces throughtout the second act of the game, even when he is introduced during the attack on haven (very good part) he stands there gormlessly staring at you as you launch that trebuchet and that was the best section he had, from there on he just displayed continuing stupidity

 

by the time the final battle comes about, while it is visually impressive, there is little to no suspense as it is just disposal of the loser



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No. He was boring and incompetent.



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I felt that Corypheus was just a stepping stone. An excuse to get the inquisition up and running to change the world of Thedas. The real stuff has only begun. But it's too bad they took an entire game for it. He'd have been better suited for a dlc villain and then have Solas be the main opponent in DA:I. Corypheus just doesn't have enough presence and personal menace to pull off a believable antagonist in a full game.

I personally enjoy Solas' position as a trickster and semi ambivalent nature more, but I agree that Corypheus lacks teeth after Haven. For someone who should be so dangerous--controlling all the Wardens in Thedas--his plans unravel with remarkable alacrity after Haven. He never seems to have a back-up plan, the Inquisitor never unwittingly walks into a trap. There's never a "oh no he might win" moment. (Like Thessia in ME3, I thought that was a good sucker-punch to the hero.)


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He could have been a great villian. Didnt see enough of him.


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Exactly this.  Sun Li is what Cory should have been. Not just a threat to the world but personal. And with a plan that made sense. Once you found out what Li had done you could see how it fit into the cosmology of the world. That it would, in fact did, work.

 

I'm still not clear on how Cory's apotheosis was suppose to function what does getting back into the black city do? For me that is the bigger problem. What is really at stake? what exactly happens if I fail?

 Precisely, we don't know what would happen, NO one in the game knows. All the world has is muddied lore that has consistently been proven wrong. We see at every point in the game that the current establishment has utterly failed, the chantry, it's templars, the circle's magi. The chantry itself is horribly corrupt and full of politicking parasites who would rather keep up appearances than enact any true good in the world. In this respect I could see "why" Corypheus wanted to reshape everything. I couldn't understand why my character was actively trying to restore these things despite every bit of dialogue they uttered showed their absolute opposition to restoring things as they used to be. Your character has the mark, still has the mark after the game ends, he or she can at any time do what corypheus was trying to. It's sad that the choice never comes up, but I suppose that would alter the game world too radically. It's a shame because I would love to see what actually happens, fear of myth and legend prevents the world from finding out. 



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Coryfish was an amateur. He his first attempt at Godhood blew up in his face, and everything after that he kept failing till it was just him asking me to put him out of his misery at the end of the game.



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You mean he's second attempt, his first attempt corrupted the golden city and turned him and his fellow magisters into dark spawn.



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Maybe its me but I kind of liked the fact that Cory was a bumbling Disney villain. Each time he got frustrated it was rather amusing (namely the part he smashes into the mirror at the Temple of Mythal).

Game itself plays like a classical high fantasy story, with good good guys and sneering villains. In a genre that rewards grey morality and some sort of dark gritty vengeance I thought it was refreshing to have some classic tropes invoked.


When he smashed into the Window, that's when I stopped taking him seriously.

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I wish more was done with him, or we had learned more about beings like him and the Architect. But man that scene in Haven where that music starts up and he walks out of the flames was a genuine shock for me, and I had luckily just re-played Legacy right before Inquisition came out because I saw it in the Keep and wanted a refresher. So it made for a great moment for me personally. 

 

I'm with others here though, I wish he had added more to the lore in this game. 



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I'll get you next time inquisitor! Next time...


Or better yet: I would've gotten away with it to if it wasn't for that meddling inquisition and that inquisitor.

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Corphy was a waste of a villain, they should've used somebody new. The story would've been better off if that happened.



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He felt very lame to me. Alexius was the better done villain and I would've liked to see his storyline extend more than Act. Everything was just resolved way too quickly for Corypheus to have any impact. :/



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Cory was a horrible villain. The real Villain is yet to be known. Somebody who is instigating problems and sitting back sipping on some bottle of thedas.

 

I still get haunting memories about the illusive man sometimes from Mass Effect. Corypheus is forgettable.



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At least he could ride his dragon around while I'm out picking flowers and saving kittens to remind me he exists.