No, Coryfish wasn't a good villain. In any sense. Summed up below.
http://johnswritersb...sition-ending1/
There's alluded pathos to Corypheus which never pans out, and disappears less than halfway in the game, after which he becomes a cartoon-villain of sorts.
good article, it explains basically everything I think about Coryfifish. I appreciated the comparison with Saren and Loghain, and also the suggestion of the Fear demon as the main villain.
The argument in that essay isn't especially persuasive. It misses, among other things, the value in an archetype for the sort of story DAI tells. There's a fascination with antagonists in modern fiction that often minimises the inherent value in an antagonist as simply a foil for the protagonist. That's who Corypheus is - the dark reflection of all the valued the Inquisitor can represented. That's why his constant failure is thematically important.
Erf I'm not sure making a villain a obvious loser on all counts is thematically important.
He never really threaten the faith , you have to scratch your head when people follow a darkspawn who looks confused and just rants "Argh I wants to be a God argh".
I mean his commanders are a slave and an addict.He tricked the wardens...etc....The Dutchess in Halamshiral is also a bit of a WTH moment.She has the obvious villain face going on and "I follow evilz Darkspawn because I get powa in return".../eyeroll.
Now it's a game , not a book , so the room to develop something interesting for so much characters is fairly small.
Problem with Cory is "the throne of heaven was empty" ...no one gives a damn.Even if followers have no crisis of faith about that , and only follow him for profit , I'm derp evilz ...etc.
I don't even think anyone in the Inquisition cares , Mother Giselle is all like "Have you seen the poor thing , we can't take him seriously"
The Ventari leader is a freed slave who wants to restore her homeland to its former glory and whom Corypheus has respect for, she also takes poorly to slaves being mistreated. Corypheus for his part laments that the current Tevinter was blind to her abilities which implies that would have no been the case in ancient Tevinter and he regrets what he has to do after she drinks from the well.
Think of it like this to Corypheus the current world of thadas is a place gone wrong, people pray to a god that does not answer like the old gods once did, the potential of people are wasted because people are too blind to see their potential and his homeland has completely changed from rulers of the world into something strange that wallows in the past instead of striving for greatness.
The Ventari leader is a freed slave who wants to restore her homeland to its former glory and whom Corypheus has respect for, she also takes poorly to slaves being mistreated. Corypheus for his part laments that the current Tevinter was blind to her abilities which implies that would have no been the case in ancient Tevinter and he regrets what he has to do after she drinks from the well.
Think of it like this to Corypheus the current world of thadas is a place gone wrong, people pray to a god that does not answer like the old gods once did, the potential of people are wasted because people are too blind to see their potential and his homeland has completely changed from rulers of the world into something strange that wallows in the past instead of striving for greatness.
Hey but again , if she had read a history book Calpernia would know , Corypheus walking into the fade was what destroyed the Imperium.
It's also well known they sacrificed a huge amount of slaves to do that.
So ...erf what was she thinking exactly?
Corypheus is the one who freed her in the first place, the one who made her the leader of the Venitari and is the only one who is promising to restore tevinter to its former glory. I wouldn't be surprised if he told her stories of what tevinter was like in his day as well in a way that feed her desire to return it to its former glory.
Corypheus is the one who freed her in the first place, the one who made her the leader of the Venitari and is the only one who is promising to restore tevinter to its former glory. I wouldn't be surprised if he told her stories of what tevinter was like in his day as well in a way that feed her desire to return it to its former glory.
True , he could have been deceiving her.
But that's one of my problem with Cory he relies on lies and deceit because let's face it , his plan sucks.
Went to the Golden city , got turned into a darkspawn.
Want to go there again.I mean at this point he clearly has nothing to loose.
I was really disappointed because in "Legacy", Cory says he's looking for the light.
And I thought wow maybe they knew about the Blight , and ask their Gods how to deal with that and bam got tricked to unleash the thing even more.
Would have been 100% more interesting to me , and then the wardens could have joined him without any corruption nonsense.
He was an extremely bad choice, both boring & incopetent. Some issues to make my point:
- recycling a villain from a DLC of DA2 cannot be a good choice. DA2 had mixed (bad) user reception not even owning the DLC so many people (me included) probably asked themself, who the hell is this darkspawn supposed to be? That makes the dialogue between Varric and Hawke aka "oh ****! Its Cory again" pretty much comical.
- every time Cory talks, my inner voice automatically replies: "shut the pug up". He is pointless, tries to sound smart, never says anything usefull, its just the type of character that seems to talk smart for the sake of sounding smart. The dialague (....monologue more likely) is just trash.
- His goals are somewhat vague, irrational, even after 3x walkthroughs of DA3 I still do not understand how does him appearing in flesh in the fade gain anything. Even more so, how exactly does he reach godhood when the Inquisition is obviously stronger since he beats him, has more knowledge at disposal than him...Mythals blessing from the pond, and even more so, was able to enter fade in flesh but YET...SOMEHOW...I do not have the option, neither see it as a possibilty to foil his plans by taking his destiny as my own. And yeah, I wouldnt mind taking such power as my own, thanks for asking.
No he wasn't. The Archdemon was way more menacing than Cory was. Plus the Archdemon was only the overarching threat. Loghain was the main personable enemy. You never even really see the Archdemon until the final battle of Denerim. Your definition of what is cheesy is in very bad taste.
I compared the Archdemon and Cory because they are both the overarching threat. Loghain and the whole stuff with the nobility was what the game was actually about, agreed. But Cory was not what the game was really about either. It was about the elves and Solas. So then compare Solas to Loghain if you will...
much better equation.
Erf I'm not sure making a villain a obvious loser on all counts is thematically important.
He never really threaten the faith , you have to scratch your head when people follow a darkspawn who looks confused and just rants "Argh I wants to be a God argh".
I mean his commanders are a slave and an addict.He tricked the wardens...etc....The Dutchess in Halamshiral is also a bit of a WTH moment.She has the obvious villain face going on and "I follow evilz Darkspawn because I get powa in return".../eyeroll.
Now it's a game , not a book , so the room to develop something interesting for so much characters is fairly small.
Problem with Cory is "the throne of heaven was empty" ...no one gives a damn.Even if followers have no crisis of faith about that , and only follow him for profit , I'm derp evilz ...etc.
I don't even think anyone in the Inquisition cares , Mother Giselle is all like "Have you seen the poor thing , we can't take him seriously"
I agree, but only if the villain is established as competent and a threat. On this, Inquisition struggles after Haven, though they did a great job up until that point.Making a villain on all counts lose IS important. It establishes how incredible and impressive the protagonist and his organisation is to the world.
"The strength of the protagonist is measured by the threat of the antagonist".
Was just about to post this, totally nails why Cory's such an utter disappointment.No, Coryfish wasn't a good villain. In any sense. Summed up below.
http://johnswritersb...sition-ending1/
There's alluded pathos to Corypheus which never pans out, and disappears less than halfway in the game, after which he becomes a cartoon-villain of sorts.
would have been better if he explained what he was gonna do after becoming a god
- destroy the olesian court and their pathetic "game"
- unite all of thedas once more
- restore tevinter to where 1 earns their place with personal abilities regardless of ones birth
- crush the Qunari
- and most importantly create a world where 1s prays are answered
etc........
Maybe Cory should have offered the Inquisitor a deal. After all everybody already sees the Inquisitor as Thedas Jesus.
It would be a sensible deal: Jesus only has to say Cory is God and allow him to sit in the Black city. Then, automatically, all the turmoil ends and Thedas gets a God that actually answers prayers. It would fit Gaider's description of the baddies in Inquisition: "This is why my position is morally correct". And it's not strictly a typical "join me" type of deal.
Storywise it makes it clear why Cory wants to be a god. I think his reasons are not conveyed clearly enough in the game.
At the end of the day Cory is still a DLC baddie that got beaten up by the guy from DA2. That's a very heavy burden to bear.
Just wanted to hear people's opinions on Corypheus as the antagonist of the game. What are your thoughts?
Oh come on now. Give Sephiroth more credit than that. Even he's better than Cory T_T
Oh come on now. Give Sephiroth more credit than that. Even he's better than Cory T_T
True. However, that was, indeed, my first thought. 
ETA, more seriously: soon as I saw Cory walk out of the fire, I thought, "OMG, they've taken the great potential Bad Guy from Legacy and Sephiroth'd him." I even heard One Winged Angel go through my head. 
(I was more impressed by Samson, actually. Now, there was a fantastically nuanced bad guy they wasted as a secondary. Tragic antihero indeed, especially if you've romanced Cullen).
Sephiroth is most definitely better then Corypheus.
Corypheus is just copying all the greats it seems. Nothing original going for him.
****** poser....
Couldn't take him seriosly from the beginning. I already beat him in the Legacy DLC of DA2, them he suddenly apears in the next game? IMO, Inquisition deserved a better villain.
"The strength of the protagonist is measured by the threat of the antagonist".
A man is known by the quality of his enemies?
I think character wise he was an excellent villain, he was dangerous, scary and you actually got to interact with him a bit (opposed to the Archdemon). Meredith was better because she was a sympathetic villain, but Corypheus was still a great villain.
Just a terrible boss encounter in DAI compared to his Legacy appearance.
Oh come on now. Give Sephiroth more credit than that. Even he's better than Cory T_T
Honestly I thought Corpyheus was a better villain than Sephirorth, but then I never cared much for Final Fantasy seven. Thought it was one of the weakest entries in the Final Fantasy series but I am in the minority in that view I am sure. I tend to both prefer four and to the rest of the series.
I don't think I would have liked the Fear Demon as the primary villain either. Again, it's just a simple, black and white monster. Regardless of what the antagonist is, for the main character to be challenged, the conflict needs to put you in a position where you actually question yourself. "What is the right thing to do?" "Is it worth the risk?" Not just: pick who dies here. If the antagonist or the conflict never allows the PC to experience loss or failure, then there seems to be no challenge. In DA2, it seemed like everything was out of Hawke's control and was completely reactionary; in DAI the main character cannot lose, which is ultimately just as bad.
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