I agree, but only if the villain is established as competent and a threat. On this, Inquisition struggles after Haven, though they did a great job up until that point.
Cory is a effective villain. I like the fact that he isn't fleshed out as a character, he wants to be a god, has the capacity to do so and is willing to let the whole world burn if need be to get the job done. Some may find that simple, but to me, it works. If you had the power to be god, would you run around telling everyone the reason(s) why you should be god? Or would you just take it for yourself? (Operating from the shadows was a good tactic, no need to draw unwanted attention to yourself. Very Sith, I approve.)
I know people want him to have victories over the player, but what victories did Loghain have over the HoF? Meredith or the Arishok over Hawke? If Flemeth didn't rescue HoF, Ferelden would have been destroyed by the blight, due to Loghain and Cailan's idiocy. If Flemeth didn't rescue the Hawkes, well, all the Hawkes would have died and Cory would have been locked away forever, (unless I'm wrong, memory serves that only the blood of a Hawke can awaken him.) Perhaps this is why the Hawkes were saved, to awaken Cory for him to power the foci? who knows. It sure accelerated the Mage/Templar War, which led us to the events of Inquisition.
The only victory that matters to Cory is entering the Fade physically, which he would have been successful if 1) you didn't barge into the room and 2) have an old lady slap the foci out of his hand into yours. He basically got robbed in the purest sense of the word. This is a reoccuring theme, right about when he has victory, the Inquisitor comes in and sinks the game winning shot at the buzzer. (So in a sense, Cory is every basketball team that got beat by Michael Jordan's championship Bulls teams, that poor bastard.)
After Haven he doesn't need to hunt the Inquisition/Inquisitor personally, (he came for the anchor, after that plan fails, changes course.) he uses Grey Wardens, Templars, Mages, Seekers, and politics to slow the Inquisition down while he pushes forward. If not for Morrigan and her knowledge, he would have succeeded again. Unless Solas was holding out about the Arbor Wilds until the last possible moment.
(this is how this conversation should have gone down.)
Cory: There is no Maker, his seat was empty.
Dalish Inq: (nods) and your face is f*** ugly. Tell me something I don't know.
(Fight)
Cory is a effective villain. I like the fact that he isn't fleshed out as a character, he wants to be a god, has the capacity to do so and is willing to let the whole world burn if need be to get the job done. Some may find that simple, but to me, it works. If you had the power to be god, would you run around telling everyone the reason(s) why you should be god? Or would you just take it for yourself? (Operating from the shadows was a good tactic, no need to draw unwanted attention to yourself. Very Sith, I approve.)
I know people want him to have victories over the player, but what victories did Loghain have over the HoF? Meredith or the Arishok over Hawke? If Flemeth didn't rescue HoF, Ferelden would have been destroyed by the blight, due to Loghain and Cailan's idiocy. If Flemeth didn't rescue the Hawkes, well, all the Hawkes would have died and Cory would have been locked away forever, (unless I'm wrong, memory serves that only the blood of a Hawke can awaken him.) Perhaps this is why the Hawkes were saved, to awaken Cory for him to power the foci? who knows. It sure accelerated the Mage/Templar War, which led us to the events of Inquisition.
The only victory that matters to Cory is entering the Fade physically, which he would have been successful if 1) you didn't barge into the room and 2) have an old lady slap the foci out of his hand into yours. He basically got robbed in the purest sense of the word. This is a reoccuring theme, right about when he has victory, the Inquisitor comes in and sinks the game winning shot at the buzzer. (So in a sense, Cory is every basketball team that got beat by Michael Jordan's championship Bulls teams, that poor bastard.)
After Haven he doesn't need to hunt the Inquisition/Inquisitor personally, (he came for the anchor, after that plan fails, changes course.) he uses Grey Wardens, Templars, Mages, Seekers, and politics to slow the Inquisition down while he pushes forward. If not for Morrigan and her knowledge, he would have succeeded again. Unless Solas was holding out about the Arbor Wilds until the last possible moment.
(this is how this conversation should have gone down.)
Cory: There is no Maker, his seat was empty.
Dalish Inq: (nods) and your face is f*** ugly. Tell me something I don't know.
(Fight)
Not out right victories for Corypheus but actions that make your victories costly. The Archdemon and darkspawn annihilate the Grey Wardens and the Ferelden royal army at Osthagar, destroy dozens of towns and villiages including Lothering and lay seige to the capital. Loghain makes your life diffcult by hireing assasins and ruining your reputation and, depending on your actions, can defeat you politically at the landsmeet. The Arishok tears up Kirkwall, nearly conquers it and then kills the Viscount which leaves a power vaccum which carries over into act 3, makeing Hawkes life even tougher. Meredith slaughters and renders tranquil hundreds of mages, pissing off Anders and driveing him to take action against her; again, putting Hawke in the middle, either struggling to restore order -or standing up for freedom. Corypheus flattens Haven, makes a dramatic speech, but in the end he makes the inqusition stronger by acknowledgeing them. After that it's all down hill for him.
That's Cory being established as competent. If you do hushed whispers, then you see that even more - without you, he straight out wins and smashes the Inquisition.
the fact that he wins in that mission doesn't count. It's basically a "what if" AU in which the hero doesn't exist anymore for a year. The villain appears dangerous and threatening if he can actually challenge the hero, not if he can win in a world without the hero.
I don't think he was a good villain. All he did was manipulating some poor guys. I couldn't understand why inquisitor got so scared of him.
Actually, the Breach going out of control like that wasn't what he was after, which is why he had Alexius working to send him back in time before the Breach. Without the Anchor, he couldn't get what he wanted, apparently. I do agree that they did a decent job up to Haven through. The problem is that after they undercut all that and don't maintain a sense of threat.That's Cory being established as competent. If you do hushed whispers, then you see that even more - without you, he straight out wins and smashes the Inquisition.
the fact that he wins in that mission doesn't count. It's basically a "what if" AU in which the hero doesn't exist anymore for a year. The villain appears dangerous and threatening if he can actually challenge the hero, not if he can win in a world without the hero.
I agree... but I guess this is alluded to if you fail the Orlesian ball (get kicked out). Essentially, game over. Cory wins because Celene was killed and the Orlesians aren't on-side because the Inquis wasn't there to make a deal/stop Florienne. With Orlais in chaos, the Inquisition can't get it together enough to get Cory.
Which... well.... shyte. It's not the Inquisitor that wins it. It's having the chevaliers.
Corypheus wasn't a good villian because of the wasted potential. In The Witcher 2, for some moments in the game, you play as another character so you get to see how certain a certain event played out in Act 2 from a different POV since Geralt wasn't there. This was a really good technique which would of done wonders in this game. If there was some side mission where you play as Samson or Calpernia helping Corypheus, it would of helped explain the Corypheus side more since it wasn't explained much. By not explaining much it makes it look him like he is a big fail after haven.
There is also the plot hole as to why Divine Justinia has to be the sacrifice. Not sure why it had to be her to power up the orb for the anchor ritual? Why not someone else. What made her so special, does being the head of church make you have magical blood or juju? Or why Corypheus doesn't doesn't defend the breach or attack you sooner instead of waiting till you close the breach? Or why he doesn't try to kill you or get someone else (who is compenant enough to be a threat) to do it after haven since he states he didn't want an unknown rival when he had you at haven. He just leaves you alone to play with his minions after haven, and only does something when you take his well away. After haven it's just fail fail fail all the way. I dunno it seems coryphesus after haven was very reactive and not proactive.
So can anybody tell me why Cory is so huuuuuuuge? Did he grow during his 1000 year sleep?
Yes, doctor say it's important for you to have good sleep for your growth.
BTW Corupheus ind DA I is not intimidating since the beginning. Even meeting him on his flying castle is just like fighting another dragon in the wild. So for my perspective, he's not a good villain in DA I but he was in DA 2 DLC.
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The way Corypheus was presented didn't do him justice. Despite his successful manipulation of templars, mages and the Wardens and how he'd rather push the old lady into an incoming 18 wheeler than help her across the street, I didn't feel much urgency to stop him.
I can't believe I hadn't considered this - yeah, why did he need Divine Justinia? Or are we expecting to have that answered later?
If you "fail" Wicked Hearts, is it a Game Over screen with a title card?
The way Corypheus was presented didn't do him justice. Despite his successful manipulation of templars, mages and the Wardens and how he'd rather push the old lady into an incoming 18 wheeler than help her across the street, I didn't feel much urgency to stop him.
I think EAware wanted us to feel badass and powerful but they forgot the simple and logical rule of games that we need challenge to feel like a badass, not everything handed to us on a plate.
That's Cory being established as competent. If you do hushed whispers, then you see that even more - without you, he straight out wins and smashes the Inquisition.
Is Hushed Whispers that extremely poorly written mage storyline quest involving time travel? Yeah, Bioware really didn't understand time travel there. And the mages aligning with Tevinter made zero sense, especially as explained and especially after we had already seen them getting along just super without Tevinter help. That is of course if you even believe time exists, which I don't. Time is merely a perception of the movement of matter/\
You also have to ask yourself how Cory actually managed to win given how incompetent he is and given the fact that both Solus and Flemeth are more than capable of destroying him. The very fact that Cory wouldn't have even had an orb if Solus wasn't a huge idiot himself further deflates Cory.
Cory was neither the villain we needed nor the villain we deserved.
Remember how the whole mage rebellion was presented as this giant war ripping Thedas apart at the end of Dragon Age 2 and how much of a great story that seemed like it would be to play through and witness? What the heck happened to that?
i have too little information yet to determine that. but at first glance - yeah, he's boring bow before your god type of villain. i... need more codex entries. also... why couldn't my PC go to the black city herself? physically in the fade and all that. huh? huh?
I can't believe I hadn't considered this - yeah, why did he need Divine Justinia? Or are we expecting to have that answered later?
If you "fail" Wicked Hearts, is it a Game Over screen with a title card?
I can't believe I hadn't considered this - yeah, why did he need Divine Justinia? Or are we expecting to have that answered later?
If you "fail" Wicked Hearts, is it a Game Over screen with a title card?
Yes if you fail wicked, hearts, it is a game over the empress and the council of heralds are assassinated and Gaspard is framed leaving Olrais with no leader allowing Corypeus to take over southern Thadas crushing all in his wake including the inquisition. You also get a special game over title card if you die in envy's dream world, apparently he takes your place putting the inquisition, the Templars and the mages all under Corypheus's control.
As for the divine likely symbolism but as for the location, the Temple of Sacred ashes was literally sitting on a mountain of lyrium which is why he likely chose that site for the ritual.
I wasn't particularly impressed by him at any point. I never played Legacy, so like many others I only knew him through second hand information... even with this being my first exposure to him, he didn't make much of an impact as a villain. I didn't hate or admire him, and I felt pretty apathetic towards him and his plan since it became obvious fairly quickly that he had no chance of winning... I mean, everything about that Haven encounter was so heavily scripted that I just knew the game would hand us an easy win down the line. Personally, I thought Florianne or even Calpernia were much better villains... I've also heard good things about Alexius, though I never met him in my game. So it's not that the game is totally lacking in quality antagonists, it's just that Corypheus himself was a bit of a letdown. Overall, I think "the Elder One" should have been a new villain.
I think what could have made Cory a better villain is if we had more cutscenes showing him and his inner cirlce. In origins after a main quest we seen loghain and howe plot and develope along with the story. Maybe after finishing Champions of the Just and seeing Cory in the shadows tell Calperina to cut there loose ends with Alexius and show them brainwashing Fiona or if you did hushed whispers them showing Samson preparing to march with a army of red templars. Giving us a ominous feeling of whats about to come. It wouldve been nice to see interactions with Cory and his agents of chaos Calperina Samson Envy Alexius Florianne and Erimond and seeing the relationship we had with each of them. It wouldve helped with his character development. Maybe seeing his reaction to finding out the Inquisitor still survived Haven or actually seeing his followers bow down to him. Even more so how Imshael and Nightmare two very powerful ancient demons making deals with Cory. If Cory is suppose to be our rival then we shouldve seen how he interacted with current events and his inner circle and army so we can see a compare and contrast to how we were dealing with our inner cirlce and army.
I found him to be a disappointing villain. Or better put, his execution was. There was never a power struggle; there was never a moment past Haven where I worried that Corypheus would actually win. He would just keep on losing until it was really pathetic at the end. The final battle was extremely anticlimatic, as well. The reason why I think it works though is because he's really just a pawn in all of this; there's way bigger things going on under the surface.
It is interesting to read up on him though, back to when he was a Tevinter magister. And he has a good voice. That's about it. I never got to play Legacy and I've heard things that really just cement how poorly his execution was in DAI, for it seemed like he actually had some depth to him in Legacy.
Well he was successful at making Hawke do exactly what he wanted so legacy was more the villain won and the hero doesn't notice.
On paper he sounds like a great villain. He's one of the original Tevinter magisters who went into the Black City and became the first Darkspawn. Unfortunately the implementation left a little to be desired. For one, having him be the main villain of a DLC in DA2 didn't help. He's strong, but it's already shown Hawke is strong enough to defeat him (yeah he had just woken up, but he hadn't poured half his power into a high dragon either at that point), just not capable of killing him. Give Hawke the Anchor and the story is over before it even began.
What I did like was his introduction in Haven in DAI. He seemed like he was going to be an interesting villain then. But then we never see him again until pretty much the end of the game and all he does between those times is screw up.
The short version: Had a lot of potential but fell short of what he could have been. Hope Bioware finally nails it for the next one.
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