Historically, only in very recent times has it been acceptable for women to voice a desire for things like sex. Hence your misconception. There is no "what women want" and "what men want." It's just what individuals want. Lots of women have a high sex drive, others don't.
Starting to regret that giving you the benefit of the doubt I was doing earlier in this discussion...
Very true. 
No. I believe you have the mental faculty to understand the deceptive simplification you have done there.
I don't think "Were certain elements removed so some people wouldn't be offended" is a super complicated sentence. How would you summarize it?
Yeah, olive is reserved for us super-sexy latin types (since this is the stereotypes thread obviously), you should start wearing a kimono
Asian skin colours are definitely alot more beige though, in all seriousness.
That just reminds me. I tried to make an Asian looking elf, but failed. Is it possible to do it with a human?
On topic:
I agree that none of the female LI are conventionally pretty if by convention we are talking about what Westerners find attractive. But then, none of the male LI are conventionally attractive either. When I first saw the romance options before the game came out, I was like damn, there are no attractive romance options for femaIes. I don't get what the hype about Cullen is. He just looks like a white dude to me. Solas on the other hand reallllyy grew on me because of his personality. Anyway, I don't think there was an agenda because both genders were treated equally in terms of looks. I mean, how many male models do you see sporting a Dorian moustache?
I don't think "Were certain elements removed so some people wouldn't be offended" is a super complicated sentence. How would you summarize it?
That wasn't what he said. He said: "Just so I'm sure I'm following, the thesis of this thread is that those mean nasty feminists forced Bio to make the women in DA:O unsexy? Am I getting this right?"
Surely you can see the words he used and how it misconstrues a position and loads values and judgements onto it? And that is on top of any loss of clarity and nuance that even good simplifications have.
No. I believe you have the mental faculty to understand the deceptive simplification you have done there.
That wasn't what he said. He said: "Just so I'm sure I'm following, the thesis of this thread is that those mean nasty feminists forced Bio to make the women in DA:O unsexy? Am I getting this right?"
Surely you can see the words he used and how it misconstrues a position and loads values and judgements onto it? And that is on top of any loss of clarity and nuance that even good simplifications have.
Ok but you still haven't summarized it. The summary AlanC9 is how I'm reading the topic too, except for feminists being mean and nasty.
Historically, only in very recent times has it been acceptable for women to voice a desire for things like sex. Hence your misconception. There is no "what women want" and "what men want." It's just what individuals want. Lots of women have a high sex drive, others don't.
Starting to regret that giving you the benefit of the doubt I was doing earlier in this discussion...
I know that sex drives is different between individuals
If I'm wrong about something I'll admit I'm wrong but it's a bit unfair to assume I'm wrong when we can never know for certain
I know that sex drives is different between individuals
If I'm wrong about something I'll admit I'm wrong but it's a bit unfair to assume I'm wrong when we can never know for certain
I'm still waiting for you to post links to those studies that show that men have a higher sex drive than women though.
That just reminds me. I tried to make an Asian looking elf, but failed. Is it possible to do it with a human?
On topic:
I agree that none of the female LI are conventionally pretty if by convention we are talking about what Westerners find attractive. But then, none of the male LI are conventionally attractive either. When I first saw the romance options before the game came out, I was like damn, there are no attractive romance options for femaIes. I don't get what the hype about Cullen is. He just looks like a white dude to me. Solas on the other hand reallllyy grew on me because of his personality. Anyway, I don't think there was an agenda because both genders were treated equally in terms of looks. I mean, how many male models do you see sporting a Dorian moustache?
Well, there could still be an agenda, just not a gender agenda (say that five times as fast as you can).
I still maintain that having an "agenda" isn't a bad thing. Isn't that one of the points of art, to disseminate a thought or opinion to others?
I have no issue with BioWare having a "social justice agenda" so long as BioWare wants to have one because that's what BioWare believes in, and not because they're afraid of any sort of backlash for not having said agenda. I agree with with the "social justice" ends (not often the means), so I actually welcome this agenda if, again, it is what BioWare wants (e.g., no one's artistic direction was stifled via fear).
If it ever comes to the point where this or any other agenda changes the game enough to my disliking, then I will no longer purchase them (I can't imagine what such a game would look like to drive me away). Some other people might start purchasing them because of this. Which is great, that's how the free market works.
On the other hand, so WHAT if there is an agenda. There are plenty of other media + video games out there with conventionally attractive females and all that good stuff. I'm happy that a game like Dragon Age exists that tries to focus on depth more than these superficial elements. What I love about this game is how all your companions have different ways of looking at life and different philosophies on how to make the world better. Hearing them debate was fascinating and it makes me think about real life issues. But then my main interests in life involves psychology and philosophy so it makes sense that I like this game.
Ok but you still haven't summarized it. The summary AlanC9 is how I'm reading the topic too, except for feminists being mean and nasty.
Do you require a summary? I believe a one sentence statement can't really communicate the topic well. I do tend to write too much, I go off onto tangents too easily, but I feel comfortable standing by my previous statements and don't feel the need to repeat them, whether summarized or not. If there is something I have said that is unclear, which is more than possible as I'm not the best writer, please ask me to clarify and I will do my best to do so. If you disagree with something I have said please tell me what and why and I will probably have a reply for you.
I don't really put much effort into my replys to passive-agressive snarky one line comments. When I don't ignore them I generally just draw attention to the fact that they are passive-agressive snarky one line comments and move on.
Well, there could still be an agenda, just not a gender agenda (say that five times as fast as you can).
I still maintain that having an "agenda" isn't a bad thing. Isn't that one of the points of art, to disseminate a thought or opinion to others?
I have no issue with BioWare having a "social justice agenda" so long as BioWare wants to have one because that's what BioWare believes in, and not because they're afraid of any sort of backlash for not having said agenda. I agree with with the "social justice" ends (not often the means), so I actually welcome this agenda if, again, it is what BioWare wants (e.g., no one's artistic direction was stifled via fear).
If it ever comes to the point where this or any other agenda changes the game enough to my disliking, then I will no longer purchase them (I can't imagine what such a game would look like to drive me away). Some other people might start purchasing them because of this. Which is great, that's how the free market works.
Haha, you made the point I wanted to make just as I was writing it.
I'm still waiting for you to post links to those studies that show that men have a higher sex drive than women though.
http://www.webmd.com...n-women-compare
Also, as some of the discussion pertained to earlier, it is a very valid question to ask what men and women want. While you always need to take in mind the characteristics of an individual, men and women share plenty of differences and tendancies aside from eachother.
http://www.webmd.com...n-women-compare
Also, as some of the discussion pertained to earlier, it is a very valid question to ask what men and women want. While you always need to take in mind the characteristics of an individual, men and women share plenty of differences and tendancies aside from eachother.
That article doesn't fully support your argument. It talks a lot about how women's sex drive is more complicated and influenced by different things. Perhaps if it weren't for social restrictions, women's sex drives are at the most basic level just as high as men's. Also, why does that even matter to this discussion?
I do understand where the TC coming from.
I am pretty sure it was a deliberate choise to make the game less sexual and try to appeal for younger more casual audience too. It is missing the rawer, darker, more primal? atmosphere the previous titles had. No more desire demons or brood mother or spirit of nature and missing any disturbing imigery that would cause nightmare for some.
I kinda don't understand this decision as this game is still R rated. It feels watered down in a way and made it more generic and lost some of the characteristics that made the game unique. It is a pity.
Pretty sure this game was centered towards more mature audiences considering they actually added boobs and asses in the sex scenes.
I think all the women in the game are pretty. I think Cassandra's jaw makes her appear more powerful and strong. Everyone has features in their faces that give certain impressions. Josephine's nose and skin resembles that of someone from Antiva. Sera's nose is probably the elfiest nose I've ever seen. I actually think the elves' noses are extremely beautiful. Vivian look extremely bitchin' with her smug look and cheekbones. She's probably the only person a buzz cut looks good on. Cullen looks like your golden boy, every game needs one. Solas is the cute nerdy elf :3. Blackwall is the aged warrior. Iron Bull is the Iron Bull. And Dorian makes himself attractive, without is hair and mustache he would be unattractive.
Bioware isn't just giving all he women high cheekbones, small chins, and almond eyes. They are all different, but they make themselves beautiful.
All the men kinda do look a like though, save for Solas' cheekbones, nose, and chin.
Not everything is about women so all you feminist can shove it. Why can't the characters b pretty simply because they are? Is it illegal to be attractive?
Do you require a summary? I believe a one sentance statement can't really communicate the topic well. I do tend to write too much, I go off onto tangents too easily, but I feel comfortable standing by my previous statements and don't feel the need to repeat them, whether summarized or not. If there is something I have said that is unclear, which is more than possible as I'm not the best writer, please ask me to clarify and I will do my best to do so. If you disagree with something I have said please tell me what and why and I will probably have a reply for you.
I don't really put much effort into my replys to passive-agressive snarky one line comments. When I don't ignore them I generally just draw attention to the fact that they are passive-agressive snarky one line comments and move on.
It was an honest question, and let's be fair your initial comment was a passive-aggressive one liner. As I said, in my mind the topic question can be fairly well summarized in the way AlanC9 did. If you disagree, what do you think the topic is about?
My nursing and biology professors would slap me and kick me out the door if I used Webmd as a reference.
That just reminds me. I tried to make an Asian looking elf, but failed. Is it possible to do it with a human?
On topic:
I agree that none of the female LI are conventionally pretty if by convention we are talking about what Westerners find attractive. But then, none of the male LI are conventionally attractive either. When I first saw the romance options before the game came out, I was like damn, there are no attractive romance options for femaIes. I don't get what the hype about Cullen is. He just looks like a white dude to me. Solas on the other hand reallllyy grew on me because of his personality. Anyway, I don't think there was an agenda because both genders were treated equally in terms of looks. I mean, how many male models do you see sporting a Dorian moustache?
You should be able to. But none of the presets bare similarities.
I don't really put much effort into my replys to passive-agressive snarky one line comments. When I don't ignore them I generally just draw attention to the fact that they are passive-agressive snarky one line comments and move on.
My nursing and biology professors would slap me and kick me out the door if I used Webmd as a reference.
Sort of why I'm wary of posting links, it wouldn't actually be hard to find a source that says it one way or the other
That article doesn't fully support your argument. It talks a lot about how women's sex drive is more complicated and influenced by different things. Perhaps if it weren't for social restrictions, women's sex drives are at the most basic level just as high as men's. Also, why does that even matter to this discussion?
You need to actually read the studies upon which the article is based.
It was an honest question, and let's be fair your initial comment was a passive-aggressive one liner. As I said, in my mind the topic question can be fairly well summarized in the way AlanC9 did. If you disagree, what do you think the topic is about?
These are my thoughts on what the topic is about.
http://forum.bioware...2#entry18227158
http://forum.bioware...3#entry18228336
http://forum.bioware...9#entry18232793
You need to actually read the studies upon which the article is based.
I did and the articles paint a much more complex picture than the simple argument that men's sex drives are higher. Anyway, what is the point of saying that men's sex drives are higher? How is that relevant?
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