That is correct. I was gambling on the fact that not a single study would provide the necessary proof though.
Why do you think otherwise? is it studies or general life experience?
Every accessable website says otherwise, life experience says otherwise and the only answer I'm getting otherwise is that women aren't allowed to express it which is a sketchy argument when how can verify what has been shown when male sexuality is in abundance.
Did I say you did? I'm recommending reading on blank slate theory because you insinuated the differences are purely as a result due to manipulation from society or some sociological explanation. That its a learned behavior.
I didn't insinuate anything. I'm just saying it's complicated.
Why do you think otherwise? is it studies or general life experience?
Every accessable website says men have higher, life experience says men have higher and the only answer I'm getting otherwise is that women aren't allowed to express it which is a sketchy argument when how can verify what has been shown when male sexuality is in abundance.
Why do you think otherwise? is it studies or general life experience?
Every accessable website says otherwise, life experience says otherwise and the only answer I'm getting otherwise is that women aren't allowed to express it which is a sketchy argument when how can verify what has been shown when male sexuality is in abundance.
He's just trolling. He already admitted any study you provided wouldn't have been enough anyway.
He's just trolling. He already admitted any study you provided wouldn't have been enough anyway.
It did seem a bit like he was trolling towards the end but up until now his replies have been pretty reasonable so I was and still am giving him the benefit of the doubt
Okay, I'll take the bait.
Let's say that your "life experience" is the correct one and men have higher sex drives than women. Does that mean that only men should get to look at sexy women in video games, which I believe was the original point that brought up this whole silly argument.
And to speak to your earlier point that if women really wanted that, you'd see games tailored to it. Well, um... what game are you playing? With the exception of Vivienne's boob window, name one other female character in the entire game that's showing conventional "sexy armor" type outfits? Meanwhile, Iron Bull spends the entire game proudly shirtless, Varric's chest hair is its own character, and the only character that you see fully naked no matter who you romance or who your Inquisitor is... is CULLEN during the game of Wicked Grace.
That's an awful lot of female fanservice for you to claim that no one makes games with women in mind.
Why do you think otherwise? is it studies or general life experience?
Every accessable website says otherwise, life experience says otherwise and the only answer I'm getting otherwise is that women aren't allowed to express it which is a sketchy argument when how can verify what has been shown when male sexuality is in abundance.
Both. I've seen studies in which EEGs and other brain scans showed the arousal of women when confronted with erotic material. Most weren't even aware that it was happening which explained why they claimed not to be affected. Later tests showed that their decision making process was influenced by their arousal though.
My general life experience tells me that there is no difference between the male and female sex drive in terms of which is higher. The difference between individuals is more significant. I could go into detail but I don't think that's a good idea here.
I suppose you 'could' take it he meant 'mean nasty feminist' removed sexy from gaming... but I think he was actually trying to tip-toe around and avoid that presumption. At least.. that's my take.
Bioware has stated that they wanted a more 'realistic' look?? I suppose?
I approached their artistic license like this:
Pre-Game release, I checked out all the companions. Realized I found none of the female characters particularly attractive, so I decided to create a female PC and romance Cullen.
I live vicariously though Cullen, romancing my hot female elf mage PC. She happens to be aggressive, which I like. She approached Cullen ( me ), for a change.
I've enjoyed his romance, thus far. ( just ran wicked hearts last night... working on finishing my first play-through) Regardless - Cullen is just dreamy, exactly the way I'd want to be, and he's like.. all manly, and yet romantic and sensitive. Not a bad looking fellow either. My only regret is he is not a companion.
That's how I compensated for the lack of "hot" female character love interests. I made my own and romanced the heck out of her with an NPC.
The downside to this... I've no idea how I'd romance a male PC. I'd have to do some serious roleplaying to pull it off, as most of the female romance options have personality quirks that I 'personally' find off-putting and would leave them in the 'friends zone'. This isn't even considering physical attractiveness.
He's literally got nobody... 
If only he could romance my female PC... now that'd be something..
Both. I've seen studies in which EEGs and other brain scans showed the arousal of women when confronted with erotic material. Most weren't even aware that it was happening which explained why they claimed not to be affected. Later tests showed that their decision making process was influenced by their arousal though.
My general life experience tells me that there is no difference between the male and female sex drive in terms of which is higher. The difference between individuals is more significant. I could go into detail but I don't think that's a good idea here.
Nice link.
He's just trolling. He already admitted any study you provided wouldn't have been enough anyway.
Excuse me? I am not trolling. I never said that. I am merely convinced that he would haven't be able to cite a single study because pretty much all I have read so far says he's wrong.
Okay, I'll take the bait.
Let's say that your "life experience" is the correct one and men have higher sex drives than women. Does that mean that only men should get to look at sexy women in video games, which I believe was the original point that brought up this whole silly argument.
And to speak to your earlier point that if women really wanted that, you'd see games tailored to it. Well, um... what game are you playing? With the exception of Vivienne's boob window, name one other female character in the entire game that's showing conventional "sexy armor" type outfits? Meanwhile, Iron Bull spends the entire game proudly shirtless, Varric's chest hair is its own character, and the only character that you see fully naked no matter who you romance or who your Inquisitor is... is CULLEN during the game of Wicked Grace.
That's an awful lot of female fanservice for you to claim that no one makes games with women in mind.
No it wasn't the original point, in fact the original point had nothing to do with what women wanted, they could want Ryan Gosling or Fred Flintstone. It's up to them. It was only brought us to answer why there was more material aimed of a sexual nature aimed at men over women.
No it wasn't the original point, in fact the original point had nothing to do with what women wanted, they could want Ryan Gosling or Fred Flintstone. It's up to them. It was only brought us to answer why there was more material aimed of a sexual nature aimed at men over women.
Read more carefully. I said it was the point that brought up the current argument, not the original post. Sexy armor came up, so then you asked us why no one markets male characters in sexy armor. Then this stupid crap started.
Excuse me? I am not trolling. I never said that. I am merely convinced that he would haven't be able to cite a single study because pretty much all I have read so far says he's wrong.
Only in the sense of you said I am wrong, you haven't actually said anything beyond that, in fact even the example given that women don't show it favours me as it admits it's based on a hypothetical rather than shown.
Read more carefully. I said it was the point that brought up the current argument, not the original post. Sexy armor came up, so then you asked us why no one markets male characters in sexy armor. Then this stupid crap started.
Yeah, I pretty much want this point to die.
Excuse me? I am not trolling. I never said that. I am merely convinced that he would haven't be able to cite a single study because pretty much all I have read so far says he's wrong.
First you demand he provide evidence of an assertion. When someone else does, you demand its invalid because he didn't. Then you openly admit that had he provided a link to a study, it wouldn't matter because it wasn't enough.
You then provide an assertion that the sex drive is the same, with a general description that doesn't even favor your point, and with no link.
And you're not trolling.
Anyway female companion with big ass boobs, not enough big breasted women in the mainstream 
No it wasn't the original point, in fact the original point had nothing to do with what women wanted, they could want Ryan Gosling or Fred Flintstone. It's up to them. It was only brought us to answer why there was more material aimed of a sexual nature aimed at men over women.
If we are talking about video gaming, I have always thought that the reason why there's more sexual material aimed at men is because there are more male gamers than female gamers.
First you demand he provide evidence of an assertion. When someone else does, you demand its invalid because he didn't. Then you openly admit that had he provided a link to a study, it wouldn't matter because it wasn't enough.
You then provide an assertion that the sex drive is the same, with a general description that doesn't even favor your point, and with no link.
And you're not trolling.
Excuse me but -you- provided this link, he didn't do anything. It's not invalid at all, it just doesn't say anything definite and offers no proof. I then said that I gambled on him not being able to cite a relevant study... because all the data I've seen so far contradicts him.
I don't see how it didn't favor my point but okay. Yeah, I didn't provide a link. Shocking. Did you expect one?
Your comments could be taken as trolling. This thread probably reached its maximum life expectancy and is only waiting for a mod to put it down.
Actually - I've seen games that feature men in 'sexy' armor. They just aren't very good games.
Mod's are another story. I actually did a 'partial' play-though in DAO with all the guys buck-naked in a constant state of arousal.
I couldn't stop laughing though..... and had to stop. There is nothing quite like playing a guy covered in darkspawn blood, with a woody.
There... now I've said it. Good luck getting that visual out of your heads people....
Excuse me but -you- provided this link, he didn't do anything. It's not invalid at all, it just doesn't say anything definite and offers no proof. I then said that I gambled on him not being able to cite a relevant study... because all the data I've seen so far contradicts him.
I don't see how it didn't favor my point but okay. Yeah, I didn't provide a link. Shocking. Did you expect one?
Your comments could be taken as trolling. This thread probably reached its maximum life expectancy and is only waiting for a mod to put it down.
It doesn't say anything definite and offers no proof... as opposed to the nothing you've provided.
All the data you've seen so far contradicts it... but you can't link them.
Webmd is inferior as are the links in the article itself... to the nonexistent link you are sourcing your assertion from.
You want a link for proof from someone else... but don't provide one yourself and seem to think I shouldn't notice the hypocrisy.
And its my comments that are trolling.
At least your last sentence is agreeable.
And something to consider is that she's nearing her 40's, if she's not there already.
Hmm.. I guess then Cassandra did not age well but Leliana and Cullen sure did!
Hmm.. I guess then Cassandra did not age well but Leliana and Cullen sure did!
I am not sure how old Leliana is but I don't think she was older than perhaps 26 during DA:O - which makes her 36 in DA:I. Cullen is probably a little younger?
Okay, I'll take the bait.
Let's say that your "life experience" is the correct one and men have higher sex drives than women. Does that mean that only men should get to look at sexy women in video games, which I believe was the original point that brought up this whole silly argument.
And to speak to your earlier point that if women really wanted that, you'd see games tailored to it. Well, um... what game are you playing? With the exception of Vivienne's boob window, name one other female character in the entire game that's showing conventional "sexy armor" type outfits? Meanwhile, Iron Bull spends the entire game proudly shirtless, Varric's chest hair is its own character, and the only character that you see fully naked no matter who you romance or who your Inquisitor is... is CULLEN during the game of Wicked Grace.
That's an awful lot of female fanservice for you to claim that no one makes games with women in mind.
Well, this is a new game. I think people tend to have some sort of temporal dissonance when discussing topics like these, because things are changing, and they're changing quickly. When someone says "if that's what women want, why don't we see games tailored to that?" I think this person is thinking from a recent historical perspective. Or perhaps not even so recent; a lot of people are still in mindsets from ten or more years ago when it comes to gaming. I know it's tough for me to shake the "GIRL = guy in real life ololol" joke, even though when I sit down and think about it, most of the people I've gamed with over the years have been women.
So this game doesn't even factor in to that thought, because it's the only game (or one of a few) that fit the criteria. It doesn't have the same precedence yet; it's not as "real" yet. In a few years, if there are a lot more games like this, then perhaps the argument doesn't even come up in the first place. I know we like to think the internet is full of idiots, but I believe that people tend not to make points that are blatantly and easily disproved. If someone sits down and writes "if that's what women want, then why don't we see games tailored to that," but then they can recall "well, there was DAI, this game, that game, that other game, oh yeah that one fits, oh and that game...," they'll probably erase that sentence.
It doesn't say anything definite and offers no proof... as opposed to the nothing you've provided.
All the data you've seen so far contradicts it... but you can't link them.
Webmd is inferior as are the links in the article itself... to the nonexistent link you are sourcing your assertion from.
You want a link for proof from someone else... but don't provide one yourself and seem to think I shouldn't notice the hypocrisy.
And its my comments that are trolling.
At least your last sentence is agreeable.
*sigh* Fine. Do you understand German? Otherwise I only have 3 or 4 sources in English available. Since that would be completely off-topic here, we can discuss this further in a private message if you are still interested.
Well, this is a new game. I think people tend to have some sort of temporal dissonance when discussing topics like these, because things are changing, and they're changing quickly. When someone says "if that's what women want, why don't we see games tailored to that?" I think this person is thinking from a recent historical perspective. Or perhaps not even so recent; a lot of people are still in mindsets from ten or more years ago when it comes to gaming. I know it's tough for me to shake the "GIRL = guy in real life ololol" joke, even though when I sit down and think about it, most of the people I've gamed with over the years have been women.
So this game doesn't even factor in to that thought, because it's the only game (or one of a few) that fit the criteria. It doesn't have the same precedence yet; it's not as "real" yet. In a few years, if there are a lot more games like this, then perhaps the argument doesn't even come up in the first place. I know we like to think the internet is full of idiots, but I believe that people tend not to make points that are blatantly and easily disproved. If someone sits down and writes "if that's what women want, then why don't we see games tailored to that," but then they can recall "well, there was DAI, this game, that game, that other game, oh yeah that one fits, oh and that game...," they'll probably erase that sentence.
I do agree with all of this. Though I was attempting to counter a slightly different point that I felt he was trying to make. It struck me that he was using the fact that no one made games that catered to women as proof that women didn't want those things, so I was trying to point out that the industry is coming around and realizing that a large female market exists and that games are willing to cater to it. I was hoping that would disprove the assertion that it doesn't exist because it's not wanted or asked for.
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