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[Thiefy]

I suppose you 'could' take it he meant 'mean nasty feminist' removed sexy from gaming... but I think he was actually trying to tip-toe around and avoid that presumption.  At least.. that's my take.

 

 

Bioware has stated that they wanted a more 'realistic' look??  I suppose?

 

I approached their artistic license like this: 

Pre-Game release, I checked out all the companions.  Realized I found none of the female characters particularly attractive, so I decided to create a female PC and romance Cullen.

 

I live vicariously though Cullen, romancing my hot female elf mage PC.  She happens to be aggressive, which I like.  She approached Cullen ( me ), for a change.

 

I've enjoyed his romance, thus far.  ( just ran wicked hearts last night... working on finishing my first play-through)  Regardless - Cullen is just dreamy, exactly the way I'd want to be, and he's like.. all manly, and yet romantic and sensitive.  Not a bad looking fellow either.  My only regret is he is not a companion.

 

That's how I compensated for the lack of "hot" female character love interests.  I made my own and romanced the heck out of her with an NPC.

 

The downside to this... I've no idea how I'd romance a male PC.  I'd have to do some serious roleplaying to pull it off, as most of the female romance options have personality quirks that I 'personally' find off-putting and would leave them in the 'friends zone'.  This isn't even considering physical attractiveness.

 

He's literally got nobody... 

 

If only he could romance my female PC...  now that'd be something..

Romance Dorian.

 

He's got a great personality and he's very pretty. Everyone talks about how pretty he is.

 

Everyone.

 

Vivienne even talks about how you guys make an attractive/cute/hot couple. You know it's something good when she's impressed.

[Artyoan]

*sigh* Fine. Do you understand German? Otherwise I only have 3 or 4 sources in English available. Since that would be completely off-topic here, we can discuss this further in a private message if you are still interested.

No thanks since I had the same sigh.

 

A quick reality check tells me I'm discussing random largely trivial nonsense with random anonymous people on a game forum that has little to do with said random topic.

 

I'm gonna go sit in the corner in self-imposed timeout.

[Liveshiptrader]

I do agree with all of this.  Though I was attempting to counter a slightly different point that I felt he was trying to make.  It struck me that he was using the fact that no one made games that catered to women as proof that women didn't want those things, so I was trying to point out that the industry is coming around and realizing that a large female market exists and that games are willing to cater to it.  I was hoping that would disprove the assertion that it doesn't exist because it's not wanted or asked for.

 

 

 

 

I know women play this game which is why my original point was specifically about the female love interests for men.

[Xatasha]

It could be bioware is trying to tell us that buzz cuts for girls are the new in thing or

 

they were lazy and didn't work on hair styles or

 

they figure they can make a quick buck selling DLC hair styles that should of been in the game at the start

 

Or gamer gate got them

[In Exile]

Both. I've seen studies in which EEGs and other brain scans showed the arousal of women when confronted with erotic material. Most weren't even aware that it was happening which explained why they claimed not to be affected. Later tests showed that their decision making process was influenced by their arousal though.
My general life experience tells me that there is no difference between the male and female sex drive in terms of which is higher. The difference between individuals is more significant. I could go into detail but I don't think that's a good idea here.

What the hell studies are these? Because the studies I'm faniliar with show the same level of arousal across genders at the base physical level with women losing arousal as they become aware of it, i.e. it being influenced by potentially social consteucrs.

[Octarin]

I think we all need to veer drastically back on to topic.

 

Nah, don't bother, it's long lost by now luv It's a stray thread now lol!

 

Although I so TOTALLY agree on the Desire Demon Brother DLC...

[hwlrmnky]

Nah, don't bother, it's long lost by now luv It's a stray thread now lol!

Although I so TOTALLY agree on the Desire Demon Brother DLC...

And it was started so elliptically that it deserves for its path to wander. I'm with AlanC9 upthread; if you want to argue a point expect to argue and get to it.

[Madrict]

I hope they bring back sexy female Desire demons

[Shades of Night]

Huh, that's interesting.... Because I've seen a number of people gripe about how the female LIs look, and... Well I guess some people must just have really high standards of beauty.

 

I think Cassandra looks lovely, I couldn't stand her personality-wise from what little we saw in DA2 and so was delighted to find out that she has a sweet side to her in DAI. I find her DA2 look kinda bland just-another-pretty-face-ish. What may perhaps make her look a little unattractive in DAI is that she's frowning a lot of the time, but that just makes the times when she's not frowning all the more precious.

 

Josephine is gorgeous and she's such a sweetheart, though I do wonder how she goes around with a candle on her clipboard and doesn't end up with the papers covered in wax or setting something alight with the way she waves that thing around...

 

Vivienne is bald, yes. And I can't stand her personality, but she is beautiful, I cannot deny that. Even if I want to put a wig of hair on her (I just like beautiful locks of hair too much).

 

Now Sera is one that I can understand people calling ugly, even though I disagree. I think the reason she seems ugly to people is her personality and her facial expressions. She looks like she's snarling or wrinkling her nose or something a lot of the time in dialogue. And her hair cut is dreadful. But if you pick a moment when she has a neutral expression and try to ignore the hair she actually looks... remarkably normal. Not stunning, but certainly not ugly either.

 

Then we also have Leliana, Morrigan, scout Harding I think it was? Basically plenty of attractive ladies, especially if you compare them to the average people you'd see in real life, I'd say most of these NPCs would would go on the higher end of the pretty scale. But then I guess I tend to think most ladies are pretty anyway.

 

Now as for the males...

 

Blackwall looked great in his concept art, but then his in-game model is kinda... weird. It's like they've squashed his face down a bit so it isn't as long and his beard looks kinda strange. Ehh I wouldn't think of him as handsome.

 

Solas. Looks awful in the starting light in Haven. He's bald, there's something odd about his eyes and he does have quite a long chin. He looks significantly better in dimmer lighting after you've started to get used to his face. Still think there's something off about his eyes though. And wish he had the dreads from his concept art (the haiiirr )

 

Iron Bull... ... Is just completely out of proportion to the point that it looks bizarre. I can understand wanting him to look big and buff. The Arishok in DA2 was like that, but he was proportional. Iron Bull has a really tiny head and strange body in comparison, it's really off-putting. I think his head looks okay and would be fine if his body were changed a little so it made more sense.

 

I think most agree that Dorian is handsome as is Cullen.

 

And somehow Loghain got hit with some really great anti-aging cream (darkspawn blood?) because he looks like he's had 10 or 20 years knocked off him. Who knew becoming a Warden could be so good for you?

 

So I think everyone is fairly attractive, some moreso than others and catering to different tastes. Personally I wouldn't consider any of those mentioned ugly. It's a word that gets thrown around a lot, but really? When someone says ugly I think hideous. As in, Nosferatu from VTMB hideous.

 

I think as others have mentioned this game is going for more realism, along with the engine allowing them to get closer to that. But I don't think there's any intention to slight a specific group of their players. I think they're creating the game the way they want to (within the constraints of what marketing, their overlords and budgets allow them).

 

Maybe another thing to consider is that we're not seeing as many characters (close up) as we were in previous games because of the non-cinematic conversations with extra quests. So that kinda gives us a smaller pool of characters to compare to and has maybe sets the standards that we have for them higher?

[Octarin]

I hope they bring back sexy female Desire demons

 

Is it only me or is there a distinct lack of desire demons in DA:I?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Is it only me or is there a distinct lack of desire demons in DA:I?

 

There's one notable Desire Demon Choice Spirit in Emprise du Lion, but that seems to be it. Maybe they felt that popping out of the breach and being destroyed by some idiot with a glowing hand was a poor use of their skills.

 

I'd like to see them treated more like Imshael in future - appearing as whatever makes sense for the characters they're talking too, rather than universally manifesting as purple women with nipple chains. Dorian referring to the one he encountered as 'he' was a good touch.

[Liveshiptrader]

And it was started so elliptically that it deserves for its path to wander. I'm with AlanC9 upthread; if you want to argue a point expect to argue and get to it.

 

I think it started pretty well, I spent 2 paragraphs effectively asking that people not to what you not do, hopefully that worked for those who read it.

[Liveshiptrader]

Huh, that's interesting.... Because I've seen a number of people gripe about how the female LIs look, and... Well I guess some people must just have really high standards of beauty.

 

I think Cassandra looks lovely, I couldn't stand her personality-wise from what little we saw in DA2 and so was delighted to find out that she has a sweet side to her in DAI. I find her DA2 look kinda bland just-another-pretty-face-ish. What may perhaps make her look a little unattractive in DAI is that she's frowning a lot of the time, but that just makes the times when she's not frowning all the more precious.

 

Josephine is gorgeous and she's such a sweetheart, though I do wonder how she goes around with a candle on her clipboard and doesn't end up with the papers covered in wax or setting something alight with the way she waves that thing around...

 

Vivienne is bald, yes. And I can't stand her personality, but she is beautiful, I cannot deny that. Even if I want to put a wig of hair on her (I just like beautiful locks of hair too much).

 

Now Sera is one that I can understand people calling ugly, even though I disagree. I think the reason she seems ugly to people is her personality and her facial expressions. She looks like she's snarling or wrinkling her nose or something a lot of the time in dialogue. And her hair cut is dreadful. But if you pick a moment when she has a neutral expression and try to ignore the hair she actually looks... remarkably normal. Not stunning, but certainly not ugly either.

 

Then we also have Leliana, Morrigan, scout Harding I think it was? Basically plenty of attractive ladies, especially if you compare them to the average people you'd see in real life, I'd say most of these NPCs would would go on the higher end of the pretty scale. But then I guess I tend to think most ladies are pretty anyway.

 

Now as for the males...

 

Blackwall looked great in his concept art, but then his in-game model is kinda... weird. It's like they've squashed his face down a bit so it isn't as long and his beard looks kinda strange. Ehh I wouldn't think of him as handsome.

 

Solas. Looks awful in the starting light in Haven. He's bald, there's something odd about his eyes and he does have quite a long chin. He looks significantly better in dimmer lighting after you've started to get used to his face. Still think there's something off about his eyes though. And wish he had the dreads from his concept art (the haiiirr )

 

Iron Bull... ... Is just completely out of proportion to the point that it looks bizarre. I can understand wanting him to look big and buff. The Arishok in DA2 was like that, but he was proportional. Iron Bull has a really tiny head and strange body in comparison, it's really off-putting. I think his head looks okay and would be fine if his body were changed a little so it made more sense.

 

I think most agree that Dorian is handsome as is Cullen.

 

And somehow Loghain got hit with some really great anti-aging cream (darkspawn blood?) because he looks like he's had 10 or 20 years knocked off him. Who knew becoming a Warden could be so good for you?

 

So I think everyone is fairly attractive, some moreso than others and catering to different tastes. Personally I wouldn't consider any of those mentioned ugly. It's a word that gets thrown around a lot, but really? When someone says ugly I think hideous. As in, Nosferatu from VTMB hideous.

 

I think as others have mentioned this game is going for more realism, along with the engine allowing them to get closer to that. But I don't think there's any intention to slight a specific group of their players. I think they're creating the game the way they want to (within the constraints of what marketing, their overlords and budgets allow them).

 

Maybe another thing to consider is that we're not seeing as many characters (close up) as we were in previous games because of the non-cinematic conversations with extra quests. So that kinda gives us a smaller pool of characters to compare to and has maybe sets the standards that we have for them higher?

 

Males aren't important to this thread, if there is a complaint about the overall look of the male LI that would be best started elsewhere as this shouldn't be a comparison, as I've said before if those who want male love interest want Fred Flintstone, Ryan Gosling or both it's up to them to let it be known.

 

Beauty standards isn't really an argument when Bioware have shown in previous games that they know what people like and 

 

I agree with you on Harding and Vivienne is attractrive minus the baldness but neither are love interests.

 

The aspect of realism should never really be an issue, it's unrealistic that all you're rag tag group of companions just happen to be the elite when it comes to combat but they are because it's dynamic and people prefer it that way over cold cynical realism.

[Maverick827]

I would like to point out that every problem anyone has with this game, looks, controls, gameplay, whatever, could easily have been circumvented by making modding a priority early on. >.>

[DaemionMoadrin]

I would like to point out that every problem anyone has with this game, looks, controls, gameplay, whatever, could easily have been circumvented by making modding a priority early on. >.>

 

And who is supposed to mod the story?

[Maverick827]

And who is supposed to mod the story?

With a proper editor we could. There are entire camlaign reworks and additions for Skyrim. The voice acting would get wonky, though.

[Feranel]

There's one notable Desire Demon Choice Spirit in Emprise du Lion, but that seems to be it. Maybe they felt that popping out of the breach and being destroyed by some idiot with a glowing hand was a poor use of their skills.

 

I'd like to see them treated more like Imshael in future - appearing as whatever makes sense for the characters they're talking too, rather than universally manifesting as purple women with nipple chains. Dorian referring to the one he encountered as 'he' was a good touch.

 

This.  With a literal demon war going on, I don't see why any choice spirits would be making themselves known.  Pride being all up in everyone's business trying to kill this Inquisitor that has made a name for themselves by killing demons makes sense.  But choice spirits have always shown themselves to be shrewd, and prone to avoiding conflict, there are probably a ton hanging around, they just aren't stupid enough to show themselves, look how far that got Imshael.

[Sartoz]

 

Why do you think otherwise? is it studies or general life experience?

 

Every accessable website says men have higher, life experience says men have higher and the only answer I'm getting otherwise is that women aren't allowed to express it which is a sketchy argument when how can verify what has been shown when male sexuality is in abundance.

 

This may be a non sequitor but there is a scientific study that says men die more often than women from stupid actions.

 

EDIT: http://www.capitalot...nce-says/26478/

[Captain Wiseass]

It seems pretty factual to me to say that, currently, appealing to men's sex drives is more common and accepted in marketing practices, no?

Yeah, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

[Liveshiptrader]

Yeah, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

 

It makes no sense to me as to why you wouldn't if that's what people want, there's a balance of course, but personally this game has gone to far in the other direction

[Captain Wiseass]

Whether or not it is "what people want" is under question. And in any case, just appealing to the status quo is never a good argument.

[Liveshiptrader]

This.  With a literal demon war going on, I don't see why any choice spirits would be making themselves known.  Pride being all up in everyone's business trying to kill this Inquisitor that has made a name for themselves by killing demons makes sense.  But choice spirits have always shown themselves to be shrewd, and prone to avoiding conflict, there are probably a ton hanging around, they just aren't stupid enough to show themselves, look how far that got Imshael.

 

The Pride demon makes little sense, Prides are very similar to Desire in that they feed off people existing and feeling complex emotions and just as there is Pride there would be a tons of Desire  and wants within the Inquisition

[Awills]

Yes, those yellowish green undertones is what we call "olive skin". Still not saving it, but it's OK, I'm not here to pick a fight. 

 

Oh come on you seem to be wanting to pick a fight just for the sake of it now! I agree with RShara that on some setting such as Ultra on the PC some colors and highlights can look a bit strange!

[daveliam]

Males aren't important to this thread, if there is a complaint about the overall look of the male LI that would be best started elsewhere as this shouldn't be a comparison, as I've said before if those who want male love interest want Fred Flintstone, Ryan Gosling or both it's up to them to let it be known.

Beauty standards isn't really an argument when Bioware have shown in previous games that they know what people like and

I agree with you on Harding and Vivienne is attractrive minus the baldness but neither are love interests.

The aspect of realism should never really be an issue, it's unrealistic that all you're rag tag group of companions just happen to be the elite when it comes to combat but they are because it's dynamic and people prefer it that way over cold cynical realism.

You keep dismissing the male character looks as irrelevant but that is a flawed approach. Your argument is that they redesigned the women to look less 'sexy' because of fear of offending feminists. But then you ignore the fact that the males have also been redesigned to be more realistic looking, which would have nothing to do with pressure from feminists.

The fact is that they went in a different art direction where characters look more realistic which means that almost everyone has some flaws in their looks. With the exception of Cullen and Leliana, every major character has flaws that has turned people off. I genuinely don't think this is something that has to do with internet feminists.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Oh come on you seem to be wanting to a pick fight just for the sake of it now! I agree with RShara that on some setting such as Ultra on the PC some colors and highlights can look a bit strange!

 

Please read on, that particular discussion ended several pages ago. No need to start it up again.