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[Liveshiptrader]

Whether or not it is "what people want" is under question. And in any case, just appealing to the status quo is never a good argument.

 

It's fairly well known that many would like a change in the overall female LI's

 

"Just appealing to the status quo is never a good argument isn't" is never a good point to make unless it's backed up with a specific relevant reason is to why that is. Making this an RPG over a strategy game was appealing to the status Quo and you and I most likely agree that was a good thing.

[Liveshiptrader]

You keep dismissing the male character looks as irrelevant but that is a flawed approach. Your argument is that they redesigned the women to look less 'sexy' because of fear of offending feminists. But then you ignore the fact that the males have also been redesigned to be more realistic looking, which would have nothing to do with pressure from feminists.

The fact is that they went in a different art direction where characters look more realistic which means that almost everyone has some flaws in their looks. With the exception of Cullen and Leliana, every major character has flaws that has turned people off. I genuinely don't think this is something that has to do with internet feminists.

 

But it isn't as unless a male is specifically stated in game or by the creator to represent men people genuinely don't consider them to represent all men, the same cannot be said for how a great many people feel about a female character. The fact that so many sites highlight a female character as female representation means that there is pressure to show them in a certain way.

 

I also don't want to drag female LI into this as that would make it seem like I am bashing female LI, the "they got what they want, why didn't we get what we want?" I don't want that. The male character that is a bromance can just as easily be someone else's romance and vice versa for female players.

[Octarin]

There's one notable Desire Demon Choice Spirit in Emprise du Lion, but that seems to be it. Maybe they felt that popping out of the breach and being destroyed by some idiot with a glowing hand was a poor use of their skills.

 

I'd like to see them treated more like Imshael in future - appearing as whatever makes sense for the characters they're talking too, rather than universally manifesting as purple women with nipple chains. Dorian referring to the one he encountered as 'he' was a good touch.

 

It's true that if you listen to the companions or other characters or read some minor details here and there you realize this game actually has some good potential there. But, the way to hell is paved with games with good potential - unfulfilled. 

[Thiefy]

But it isn't as unless a male is specifically stated in game or by the creator to represent men people genuinely don't consider them to represent all men, the same cannot be said for how a great many people feel about a female character. The fact that so many sites highlight a female character as female representation means that there is pressure to show them in a certain way.

Wait what?

 

What?

 

You are doing some serious head gymnastics here. And they are taking you into a rather unfortunate direction. 

 

I would highly suggest aborting that mission right now.

[Octarin]

Oh come on you seem to be wanting to pick a fight just for the sake of it now! I agree with RShara that on some setting such as Ultra on the PC some colors and highlights can look a bit strange!

 

The "I'm not here to pick a fight" line went right past you too, eh? Another prime candidate for the Ignore list. And on New Year's Eve too. My heartiest congratulations. Added without further ado.

[RShara]

I think this entire thread might have run its course, really.  Most people don't think anything was taken out because of fear of offense, but Bioware has added more realism, likely in response to real world societal shifts.

[daveliam]

But it isn't as unless a male is specifically stated in game or by the creator to represent men people genuinely don't consider them to represent all men, the same cannot be said for how a great many people feel about a female character. The fact that so many sites highlight a female character as female representation means that there is pressure to show them in a certain way.

 

I also don't want to drag female LI into this as that would make it seem like I am bashing female LI, the "they got what they want, why didn't we get what we want?" I don't want that. The male character that is a bromance can just as easily be someone else's romance and vice versa for female players.

 

But again, you are looking at the female character design separate from the male character design.  While female players might look for representation from the female characters in a more overt way than male players do (due primarily to a lack of realistic representation historically in the medium), it doesn't change the fact that the redesign on the characters affected both genders.  Unless you are making the argument that the redesign was driven by the requests for realistic representation from female players and the designers decided to redesign all of the characters based on this.  If that's the case, and it might be, is that a bad thing?

 

It seems to me that Bioware, as a company, still puts out 'sexy' female characters on a regular basis.  Look at ME 3 and SWTOR.  Unrealistically dressed sexy ladies are all over those games.  If the DA team, just one of the teams, decides to go in a different direction, I don't see why that's necessarily a bad thing. 

[Octarin]

Anyway, I just popped in to say Happy New Year to all those people who aren't in my ignore list So, have a nice night/day and I hope y'all get lots of interesting presents (I'm hoping for one too soon-ish, hopefully within the month). 

[Awills]

The "I'm not here to pick a fight" line went right past you too, eh? Another prime candidate for the Ignore list. And on New Year's Eve too. My heartiest congratulations. Added without further ado.

 

I'll be the better person and say Happy New Year to you. And no your line 'I'm not here to pick a fight' did not go past me! But saying it does not mean you are not picking a fight

[Eivuwan]

No matter what Bioware does, they are going to offend some people and be called chicken for it. In addition, I read somewhere that the writers are mostly liberals and there is good amount of female writers on the team. So I doubt it's because they are doing what they are doing for the fear of offending certain groups. I think it's more of the case that they truly believe in their message and art direction. I give them kudos for making a game like this that touches on real life issues/real life personality variances.

[9TailsFox]

 

[AlanC9]

No matter what Bioware does, they are going to offend some people and be called chicken for it. In addition, I read somewhere that the writers are mostly liberals and there is good amount of female writers on the team. So I doubt it's because they are doing what they are doing for the fear of offending certain groups. I think it's more of the case that they truly believe in their message and art direction. I give them kudos for making a game like this that touches on real life issues/real life personality variances.

This strikes me as the only sensible reading of the issue. RShara's right; time to wrap this one up.

[9TailsFox]

No matter what Bioware does, they are going to offend some people and be called chicken for it. In addition, I read somewhere that the writers are mostly liberals and there is good amount of female writers on the team. So I doubt it's because they are doing what they are doing for the fear of offending certain groups. I think it's more of the case that they truly believe in their message and art direction. I give them kudos for making a game like this that touches on real life issues/real life personality variances.

Real life sucks. I solve my real life issues in my real life. "truly believe in their message" Since when dragon age from game become political campaign. I liked Dorian I honestly didn't expect his mission will be like this because Bioware so good at this "stuff". When it started. I am like oh come on do you really doing this. Dorian I am sorry but I don't care who you sleep it. as long as I am not romancing her. Forgive him, solve your problem like Sera, I am out.

 

And

DA:O Desire demon

DA2 Desire demon

DA;I Choices demon       

[Eivuwan]

Real life sucks. I solve my real life issues in my real life. "truly believe in their message" Since when dragon age from game become political campaign. I liked Dorian I honestly didn't expect his mission will be like this because Bioware so good at this "stuff". When it started. I am like oh come on do you really doing this. Dorian I am sorry but I don't care who you sleep it. as long as I am not romancing her. Forgive him solve your problem like Sera, I am out.

 

And

DA:O Desire demon

DA2 Desire demon

DA;I Choices demon       

 

People play video games for different reasons. There are plenty of other games that take you away from real life. I appreciate a game like this one. It's like how there are happy comedy movies and how there are tragic realistic movies.

[daveliam]

People play video games for different reasons. There are plenty of other games that take you away from real life. I appreciate a game like this one. It's like how there are happy comedy movies and how there are tragic realistic movies.

 

Exactly.  Also, how many people who are complaining about the 'politics' in this game are also perfectly fine with politics showing up in almost every other major franchise?  I mean, many of the FPS franchises speak directly to current and historic real-world politics.  I wonder if the people who are against 'politics' in their games are also against politics in those games.  It makes me think that the 'politics' argument is really less about 'politics' writ large and more about the specific politics that Bioware's agenda supports.

[whitless256]

Real life sucks. I solve my real life issues in my real life. "truly believe in their message" Since when dragon age from game become political campaign. I liked Dorian I honestly didn't expect his mission will be like this because Bioware so good at this "stuff". When it started. I am like oh come on do you really doing this. Dorian I am sorry but I don't care who you sleep it. as long as I am not romancing her. Forgive him, solve your problem like Sera, I am out.

 

And

DA:O Desire demon

DA2 Desire demon

DA;I Choices demon       

 

That's not a "political campaign."  It's a character story.  

 

Also, I think you missed the whole Choice. Spirit.  joke.  

[Liveshiptrader]

No matter what Bioware does, they are going to offend some people and be called chicken for it. In addition, I read somewhere that the writers are mostly liberals and there is good amount of female writers on the team. So I doubt it's because they are doing what they are doing for the fear of offending certain groups. I think it's more of the case that they truly believe in their message and art direction. I give them kudos for making a game like this that touches on real life issues/real life personality variances.

 

You're right, it fully well could be just the the writers choice to make the females less attractive based on there own views although I don't really think that has any affect on real life/personnel issues within the story. End of the day same outcome to the end product

[Eivuwan]

You're right, it fully well could be just the the writers choice to make the females less attractive based on there own views although I don't really think that has any affect on real life/personnel issues within the story. End of the day same outcome to the end product

 

Well, the issue with conventionally pretty characters is that people might become preoccupied with the looks and focus less on personality/values/history etc. It could have been intentional to make sure no one looks like a barbie to get players to focus more on what the writers care about.

[Realmzmaster]

I'll print that and pin to a wall.

Just to remember how far we've fallen with the education of the youngsters.

 

Youngster? AlanC9 is not a youngster. AlanC9 has been crpging and pnping about as long as I have. That's more than 30 years. 

 

As to the topic of this thread. I prefer realistic looks. I would expect a warrior to have battle scars. I am not surprised Cassandra has scars. I would also like to see the horrors of war depicted. 

[Kallas_br123]

Well, the issue with conventionally pretty characters is that people might become preoccupied with the looks and focus less on personality/values/history etc. It could have been intentional to make sure no one looks like a barbie to get players to focus more on what the writers care about.

yes of course, all men is clueless dog that think with his lower head. when we see an attractive woman we stop paying attention to personality traits and personal history, we just think of boobs.

 

/sarcasm

 

sorry bad english.

[alwaysquestions]

yes of course, all men is clueless dog that think with his lower head. when we see an attractive woman we stop paying attention to personality traits and personal history, we just think of boobs.

 

/sarcasm

 

sorry bad english.

 

Yet this thread is evidence that a lot of people are unwilling to consider personality and character history based on the way she looks.

[Kallas_br123]

Youngster? AlanC9 is not a youngster. AlanC9 has been crpging and pnping about as long as I have. That's more than 30 years. 

 

As to the topic of this thread. I prefer realistic looks. I would expect a warrior to have battle scars. I am not surprised Cassandra has scars. I would also like to see the horrors of war depicted. 

yes but the fact that the horrors of war, such as murder, rape and starvation, are not touched, except for the pieces of notes hidden on the map, shows how this dragon age, is more pg 13, than the others. WHAT shows that yes, I think a good deal of political correctness was put in the game to avoid offending some snow flake, and yet if you search the forums, you find many people offended by some dialogues.

[Kallas_br123]

Yet this thread is evidence that a lot of people are unwilling to consider personality and character history based on the way she looks.

you happen to know how attraction works? people are not attracted by personality or life history, people are attracted by the appearance.

taste, obviously plays a big part in this, but some traits are universally accepted as attractive.

 

Ah yes and the fact that people, like to look at beautiful people

 

 

Sorry bad english.

[DragonAddict]

I've played many RPG's and I would say all of them had no swearing in them and if there were options for romance and intimacy, it was moderate and tastefully done and not like we currently have with DA:I. Otherwise, nothing in the game offends me.

[Kallas_br123]

and just to make something clear, no I do not think the cassadra is ugly, she is a Beautiful wath 40 ish?  just with a Infortune taste in makeup, and josephine is absolutely adorable, but her eyebrows, nose and mouth are not necessarily attractive, and her fashion sense is atrocious.