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[Eivuwan]

We can't even get an agreement on WHO is conventionally attractive. That says enough.

[Mirth]

Well...Let's be honest here people. If bioware wanted everyone to be gorgeous, especially our PC, they'd have given us better hair styles and textures. Maybe even physics.

But given our time in court... I guess buzzcut is all the rage in Fereldon.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well...Let's be honest here people. If bioware wanted everyone to be gorgeous, especially our PC, they'd have given us better hair styles and textures. Maybe even physics.

But given our time in court... I guess buzzcut is all the rage in Fereldon.

 

Well, if I had to wear a mask all the time, I'd keep my hair as short as possible, too.

[Maverick827]

yes and the voice, with a nice accent.

 

A lot of accents just don't sound well to some ears.  Whenever I watch a movie that has a foreign actor speaking English with a heavy accent, it always sounds like they're a bad actor.  They could be the most decorated French/Spanish/German/Japanese/Chinese/etc. actor of all time, but it will still appear to me like they're absolutely terrible.  The exception is, of course, British people.  Then they automatically sound like a great actor.

 

Cassandra's accent sounds bad to me.  Leiliana's can at times, but not that often.  I wish I could help it, but lines just don't sound natural or good to me when they come through a thick accent.

[RShara]

I loved Cass's accent in the movie, and I love it in the game.  The Orlesian French-ish accent drives me up the wall though.  Especially the ones like Mother Giselle's.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well, if I had to wear a mask all the time, I'd keep my hair as short as possible, too.

You don't know a hint of Venice, do you?

[Primalrose]

The female characters available for romance in DA:I are not generally considered to be attractive.  They are generally considered to be plain to ugly.  Individual preferences will vary of course but that is the general opinion that has been expressed.  This is a difference from previous Bioware games where romance options were generally attractive and sexualized. It is particularly noticable in Cassandra, whose appearance in DA:I was quite a bit different than her DA2 appearance.  The general consensus being she got quite a bit uglier and grew a manjaw.  This is also a larger problem with the female characters available for romance in DA:I as the male characters who can be romanced are not generally considered unattractive.

I don't think it is idle speculation that this is a result of pressure on Bioware from some individuals and groups to portray women more realistically in Bioware games.  You can find the posts advocating for that in these forums going back many years now and you can find developer comments; in posts here, on official bioware blogs, external blogs/comments, and panels at various conventions and expositions; acknowledging these concerns and sometimes expressing varying levels of agreement.

I disagree with this stance.  While I think a wider variety of bodytypes and levels of attractiveness of females in the game isn't bad, that goes for male represention as well, romance options should be attractive.  So my vote is definitely for attractive romance options, male or female.  Not that you can't sometimes mix it up and do something different from time to time but mixing it up with every single romance option is not the way to go.

 

Call me biased I just am so happy Bioware did not choose to make all the female characters look like botoxed supermodels and thought it was ballsy they went against the grain with all the female romance options. But, I get where you're coming from. There should be something for everyone and I guess there wasn't the more classically beautiful female option in Inquisition, which I understand.

[Octarin]

I have two and they are busy with each other, so I get the computer.

 

Hmmmm.... I can detect some disparity here

[Octarin]

What's so unrealistic about Leliana?

 

The only unrealistic thing about Leliana is possibly the mistaken assumption of male gamers that a red-headed utterly sexy bisexual woman with a voice like a kitten on silk can be a deadly assassin and is capable of cleaving your skull in two with her thighs. 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

The only unrealistic thing about Leliana is possibly the mistaken assumption of male gamers that a red-headed utterly sexy bisexual woman with a voice like a kitten on silk can be a deadly assassin and is capable of cleaving your skull in two with her thighs. 

 

Nah Leliana suffers 'T'Soni syndrome'.

It was a cute and lovely woman in the first game, focused on being bard (storytelling, buffing allies, being conversationally wise) with a little pepper thing over there (dangerous spy past). One of the most popular romance options in DA:O days.

And SUDDENLY Leliana closes herself off the world, becoming a reclusive spy master with a plenty hush-hushes and offensive attitude. You won't make any mistake is you accidently call her Shadow Broker.

 

What can I add?

T'Soni is at least well-written and motivated, and you can see most of her changes overtime in game (ME2, ME2 DLC "Lair of the Shadow Broker") or in related comicbooks.

Leliana is just left somewhere over there.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You don't know a hint of Venice, do you?

 

The masks in Orlais are more like hoods, they cover almost the entire head. If you were to wear those for a while, even without moving much, you'd get hot beneath it. Thus... short or no hair would be beneficial.

The venezian masks usually only cover the upper half of the face.

 

Hmmmm.... I can detect some disparity here

 

It's complex/complicated but I can't complain. Can't explain that in public though.

 

The only unrealistic thing about Leliana is possibly the mistaken assumption of male gamers that a red-headed utterly sexy bisexual woman with a voice like a kitten on silk can be a deadly assassin and is capable of cleaving your skull in two with her thighs. 

 

Hehehe. Love that description. Utterly sexy might be overdoing it though.

 

Nah Leliana suffers 'T'Soni syndrome'.

It was a cute and lovely woman in the first game, focused on being bard (storytelling, buffing allies, being conversationally wise) with a little pepper thing over there (dangerous spy past). One of the most popular romance options in DA:O days.

And SUDDENLY Leliana closes herself off the world, becoming a reclusive spy master with a plenty hush-hushes and offensive attitude. You won't make any mistake is you accidently call her Shadow Broker.

 

What can I add?

T'Soni is at least well-written and motivated, and you can see most of her changes overtime in game (ME2, ME2 DLC "Lair of the Shadow Broker") or in related comicbooks.

Leliana is just left somewhere over there.

 

Leliana had always been a good spy. She was a bard first before she became your companion in DA:O. The loss of the Divine hurt her a lot and she closed herself off. If you remember... the Revered Mother in Lothering became the Divine later. It was her who took Leliana in and helped her after her ordeal.

The transition didn't happen suddendly either, it's over the course of 10 years.

 

Leliana is at least as well written, motivated and believable as Liara.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Leliana is at least as well written, motivated and believable as Liara.

Unlucking 'Kissass' achievement here just isn't enough. You deserve a medal.

 

Seriously, the change of character happened not in the plot of DA:I, but between DA2 and DA:I. And we have nothing of that. NOTHING.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

The masks in Orlais are more like hoods, they cover almost the entire head. If you were to wear those for a while, even without moving much, you'd get hot beneath it. Thus... short or no hair would be beneficial.

The venezian masks usually only cover the upper half of the face.

And it's either you played another, not forum-related game or you're blind. Masks in Olrais mostly are NOT like hoods. They cover only the face part of the head.

And sometimes you are left to wonder what keeps those from falling off - no string, nothing.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Unlucking 'Kissass' achievement here just isn't enough. You deserve a medal.

 

Seriously, the change of character happened not in the plot of DA:I, but between DA2 and DA:I. And we have nothing of that. NOTHING.

 

If you never read the ME comics, then you'd be just as surprised about Liara... would that make her less believeable?

 

Leliana didn't have to change all the much, if you talked to her in DA:O, you realized that she was sad, lonely and heartbroken. Her vision of the maker could have been a symptom of that. If you played her DLC, then you know Leliana was betrayed, captured, tortured and raped before she managed to escape. She still hasn't healed from that by the time she meets the Warden.

Leliana takes a while to find even a little happiness. There are the gifts (lute, shoes), the nug she wants as pet and if you romance her, love. It's still just a facade that glosses over her issues and her talents as a bard/assassin/spy.

If you harden her during DA:O, then she's easily capable of becoming a spy master. Even without that she does a great job. Talk to her in DA:I and she'll tell you that deep down she cares too much about her agents and can't sacrifice them as easily as she makes it look.

 

Considering that she doesn't even know the Inquisitor she tells them quite a lot about herself and if you read all the notes in the rookery, then you know that she hasn't changed much from the Leliana you knew in DA:O.

 

Ten years are a long time, I have no trouble believing that Leliana could become the left hand of the Divine and establish a network of agents in that time.

 

I don't know why you think she has an offensive attitude or why you believe she's reclusive. She's still friends with Cassandra and Josephine and seriously... as spy master you deal with people all the time.

[DaemionMoadrin]

And it's either you played another, not forum-related game or you're blind. Masks in Olrais mostly are NOT like hoods. They cover only the face part of the head.

And sometimes you are left to wonder what keeps those from falling off - no string, nothing.

 

Yeah... no. I think there is only one type of mask that doesn't cover the entire head, every other does. Even the hats have a hood beneath them.

 

 

Definitely not blind, those are all masks with hoods/helmets.

[DaemionMoadrin]

It's clear that Solas is the hottest one.

 

He'd be my first choice if I was sapiosexual.

[eyezonlyii]

I just want to know what denotes a "classical beauty". I have my theory, and suffice to day that I disagree with the notion ( even causing an argument with my bf last night).

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

I just want to know what denotes a "classical beauty". I have my theory, and suffice to day that I disagree with the notion ( even causing an argument with my bf last night).

 

Did you see who won 2014 Eurovision?

[eyezonlyii]

Did you see who won 2014 Eurovision?

Oh she is FABULOUS!

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Oh she is FABULOUS!

 

Well I would disagree, but THAT is taken for a standard beauty in DA: I. We even got a beard option for female Inquisitors.

[alwaysquestions]

I'd support a Conchita Wurst DLC just for the endless complaining that would ensue.

[9TailsFox]

I'd support a Conchita Wurst DLC just for the endless complaining that would ensue.

I want Grell. 

[Octarin]

Nah Leliana suffers 'T'Soni syndrome'.

It was a cute and lovely woman in the first game, focused on being bard (storytelling, buffing allies, being conversationally wise) with a little pepper thing over there (dangerous spy past). One of the most popular romance options in DA:O days.

And SUDDENLY Leliana closes herself off the world, becoming a reclusive spy master with a plenty hush-hushes and offensive attitude. You won't make any mistake is you accidently call her Shadow Broker.

 

What can I add?

T'Soni is at least well-written and motivated, and you can see most of her changes overtime in game (ME2, ME2 DLC "Lair of the Shadow Broker") or in related comicbooks.

Leliana is just left somewhere over there.

 

Oh, how I couldn't agree more! But who knows, maybe we'll get a Leliana DLC like with got a Liara DLC. But the "just left somewhere over there" might also be indicative of her actual state of being, without the Divine and without her religious compass, let's say, Leliana finds herself needing some self-definition, and not liking the obvious one. I suspect that, although you're correct, this was done on purpose. And the same with Cassandra, but she deals with it in a rather healthier way imo.

[Octarin]

I just want to know what denotes a "classical beauty". I have my theory, and suffice to day that I disagree with the notion ( even causing an argument with my bf last night).

 

Classical beauty as in the definition per se denotes the aesthetic standards set by the classical era, 5th and 4th century BC sculptors and philosophers. There is a certain formula that's applied, if you're so inclined to search for the subject, there's heaps of info out there. 

[Octarin]

Yeah... no. I think there is only one type of mask that doesn't cover the entire head, every other does. Even the hats have a hood beneath them.

 

 

Definitely not blind, those are all masks with hoods/helmets.

 

Jesus christ I still can't believe all those wonderful graphics are in the PC and new gens and all I get is blurs and smudges... *sheds bitter tears*