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[Darkly Tranquil]

Where is the broodmother romance guy? I'm sure he would have an opinion on this.

[tmp7704]

Pretty much countered that already with the fact that Pride, Rage and Sloth now Hunger all retain there look

I suspect the err... Choice Spirit being different is part of the joke. You are told way in advance that the Keep is inhabited by Desire Demon, so based on previous games (or even just the name) you form certain expectations... and then when you actually get to meet the "spirit", it's completely not what you'd expect, in both the behavior and appearance.

[Anouk]

I think Bioware run out of time to polish the details.i think)  and they let some content out of the game.

This game is an learning curve for Bioware because of the new engine.

I think Bioware deliver a beautifull game, one of the best in 2014. But it is not perfect. A good example is the CC. Beautifull face creator, but also very outdated/misplaced  looking hairstyles. I

[DaemionMoadrin]

I suspect the err... Choice Spirit being different is part of the joke. You are told way in advance that the Keep is inhabited by Desire Demon, so based on previous games (or even just the name) you form certain expectations... and then when you actually get to meet the "spirit", it's completely not what you'd expect, in both the behavior and appearance.

 

That works for Imshael. But what about all the demons pouring into Thedas through rifts? What about all the demons summoned by the Venatori? Demons trapped in magical objects? Are there suddendly no desire demons in Thedas anymore? There have to be more than one.

[Liveshiptrader]

I noticed the absence of Ogres, and I'm grumpy that Sloth isn't a disgusting porcupine bear, I liked Sloth, he was like Whinney the Poo mixed with Eyeore and a Cenobite.

 

Ogres are understandable, Darkspawn as an enemy are reduced to the human looking version as they aren't a major point and Ogres in the lore are suppose to be near large groups, demons are a major deal in Inquisition. I say lore but it's more or less the large Ogre model would probably be costly for a lesser used encounter.

 

The porcupine version was rarely used it was mainly the reaper which is now hunger.

 

Desire demons on the other hand where the demons that you interacted with the most in 2 and 3 outside of combat.

[tmp7704]

That works for Imshael. But what about all the demons pouring into Thedas through rifts? What about all the demons summoned by the Venatori? Demons trapped in magical objects? Are there suddendly no desire demons in Thedas anymore? There have to be more than one.

If i remember right the Desire Demons were always quite rare in DAO, as they're said to be very powerful due to their intelligence and how they work. Even the Pride demons which are supposed to be the most dangerous and whatnot would show up way more. As such it didn't really feel to me like they were removed, especially since we also get some new demon types (Terror, Despair)

[AlanC9]

 I've seen mention that the female characters will be changed to meet certain expectations by the lead writer when there has been nothing but praise for those that have gone before and I've seen one of the Bioware staff argue against a well known critic who's views and portrayal of gamers I find most alarming. Although I must say I was very impressed by the counter arguments from the members of this forum.

Anyone else have no idea what this guy's talking about here?

[Liveshiptrader]

If i remember right the Desire Demons were always quite rare in DAO, as they're said to be very powerful due to their intelligence and how they work. Even the Pride demons which are supposed to be the most dangerous and whatnot would show up way more. As such it didn't really feel to me like they were removed, especially since we also get some new demon types (Terror, Despair)

 

Pride demons where easily the demons you encountered the least. So much so that the only major encounter was optional.

 

You never fought Desire demons as often but they played a major role as they took on the schemer/general and most often you could avoid fighting them. Captured Templar, Shales recruitment, Connors Possession, one in the fade, other moments I am probably forgetting.

[Feranel]

On that note though, there are really no encounters with demons here except the one where you don't fight the demons.  This is all out war against demons, no grey and grey morality, all of the demons pulled through by the breach are hostile.  My bet? Desire demons, aside from the one choice spirit working for Cory are all sitting this one out so they don't get killed.

 

They added three-four new demon types, and left out the one type that is only ever interacted with in a non-combat manner.  When there are no non-combat interactions with demons in this installment.  *shrug*

[Mirth]

Not about the Inquisitor him/herself, I have never met a female gamer who didn't care about making there avatar attractive and just incase anyone jumps the gun I think there's nothing wrong with that, most men do the same

Again, I think it was just laziness... or time constraints? They picked a general look and went, "ok..good enough".

Cass as an example, looks like she put her mascara on with a crayon. I can understand she's not girly and is more comfortable in a suit of armor than a dress, so why bother putting makeup on at all??
Honestly.. I don't think she would. Are those just dark circles from extreme malnutrition and lack of sleep??

Her face matches her voice quite well. It lends itself well to her personality. She's actually not bad looking...except for the apparent half-arsed attempt to wear makeup. I just don't think she'd even bother. She's a warrior 1st, and a hard working one at that. She's not concerned with looking "pretty". If she was, she'd likely give it 100% effort, like she's does with everything else.

To me, that means the person who created her face didn't "really" think about translating that personality to her avatar.
"Good enough" is all we got.

[Liveshiptrader]

On that note though, there are really no encounters with demons here except the one where you don't fight the demons.  This is all out war against demons, no grey and grey morality, all of the demons pulled through by the breach are hostile.  My bet? Desire demons, aside from the one choice spirit working for Cory are all sitting this one out so they don't get killed.

 

That could make sense if it weren't for that fact that the lesser spotted Pride who is also a schemer, based off a complex emotion and above Desire in the hierarchy wasn't more common than ever before. If they had stuck with the more base demons, rage, horror and hunger.

[Liveshiptrader]

Again, I think it was just laziness... or time constraints? They picked a general look and went, "ok..good enough".

Cass as an example, looks like she put her mascara on with a crayon. I can understand she's not girly and is more comfortable in a suit of armor than a dress, so why bother putting makeup on at all??
Honestly.. I don't think she would. Are those just dark circles from extreme malnutrition and lack of sleep??
 

 

There was a some obvious changes made to Cass between 2 and 3, she now has a chin that would make Sylvester Stallone proud, makes her look more handsome than pretty.

[daveliam]

Ugh. And here we go again. Who had 'Cass looks like a man' in the office pool.....?

[RShara]

I think Cass is beautiful.  Not a doll-like or classical beauty, but striking, and full of character.

[Liveshiptrader]

Ugh. And here we go again. Who had 'Cass looks like a man' in the office pool.....?

You offer nothing but hostility

 

Bioware are well aware that the romance aspect is important, most people prefer attractive romantic partners, movie stars,etc, if you don't like that obvious fact tough.

[SardaukarElite]

Ugh. And here we go again. Who had 'Cass looks like a man' in the office pool.....?

 

I don't know but it's still a drink.

[daveliam]

You offer nothing but hostility

Bioware are well aware that the romance aspect is important, most people prefer attractive romantic partners, movie stars,etc, if you don't like that obvious fact tough.

Because you are trying to hide yet another 'poor me, I don't like the girls in this game, so it must be a conspiracy' thread as something else. I've asked you numerous times about EVIDENCE to support your claims since that's how you put the OP forward. But since you haven't provided any, I'm going to assume that you are just looking to complain about the female character looks.

[Liveshiptrader]

Because you are trying to hide yet another 'poor me, I don't like the girls in this game, so it must be a conspiracy' thread as something else. I've asked you numerous times about EVIDENCE to support your claims since that's how you put the OP forward. But since you haven't provided any, I'm going to assume that you are just looking to complain about the female character looks.

 

I was ignoring you because you where so hostile and continue to be so, I owe you nothing

[ardarn]

I do understand where the TC coming from.

I am pretty sure it was a deliberate choise to make the game less sexual and try to appeal for younger more casual audience too. It is missing the rawer, darker, more primal? atmosphere the previous titles had. No more desire demons or brood mother or spirit of nature and missing any disturbing imigery that would cause nightmare for some.

I kinda don't understand this decision as this game is still R rated. It feels watered down in a way and made it more generic and lost some of the characteristics that made the game unique. It is a pity.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

They removed healing because it offends insurance adjusters.

Shame i can't like it more. Have to go through your other posts

[Mirth]

Shame i can't like it more. Have to go through your other posts

Ditto.. made me laugh.

Reminds me of a gingle. "Like a good neighbor... Haven is there...... er... wait... nvm."

[Maverick_One]

I think Cass is beautiful.  Not a doll-like or classical beauty, but striking, and full of character.

I concur. You can't help but notice her. Granted she wants to know why she shouldn't kill you at first. I tend to notice when someone ask why they shouldn't kill me. Not that it happens in real life. As to the topic. No. In fact I feel like they tried to add some things. To me Cassandra's scar and cut add something to her. Same way with Leliana's hood,

[AlanC9]

Because you are trying to hide yet another 'poor me, I don't like the girls in this game, so it must be a conspiracy' thread as something else. I've asked you numerous times about EVIDENCE to support your claims since that's how you put the OP forward. But since you haven't provided any, I'm going to assume that you are just looking to complain about the female character looks.

You gotta give the guy style points, though. One thing the BSN doesn't have much of is high-quality concern trolling.

[Skalish]

The female characters available for romance in DA:I are not generally considered to be attractive.  They are generally considered to be plain to ugly.  Individual preferences will vary of course but that is the general opinion that has been expressed.  This is a difference from previous Bioware games where romance options were generally attractive and sexualized. It is particularly noticable in Cassandra, whose appearance in DA:I was quite a bit different than her DA2 appearance.  The general consensus being she got quite a bit uglier and grew a manjaw.  This is also a larger problem with the female characters available for romance in DA:I as the male characters who can be romanced are not generally considered unattractive.

I don't think it is idle speculation that this is a result of pressure on Bioware from some individuals and groups to portray women more realistically in Bioware games.  You can find the posts advocating for that in these forums going back many years now and you can find developer comments; in posts here, on official bioware blogs, external blogs/comments, and panels at various conventions and expositions; acknowledging these concerns and sometimes expressing varying levels of agreement.

I disagree with this stance.  While I think a wider variety of bodytypes and levels of attractiveness of females in the game isn't bad, that goes for male represention as well, romance options should be attractive.  So my vote is definitely for attractive romance options, male or female.  Not that you can't sometimes mix it up and do something different from time to time but mixing it up with every single romance option is not the way to go.

[KaiserShep]

I think Cass is beautiful.  Not a doll-like or classical beauty, but striking, and full of character.

And something to consider is that she's nearing her 40's, if she's not there already.