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[eyezonlyii]

Classical beauty as in the definition per se denotes the aesthetic standards set by the classical era, 5th and 4th century BC sculptors and philosophers. There is a certain formula that's applied, if you're so inclined to search for the subject, there's heaps of info out there.

And so I will paraphrase the argument we had last night. The definition of classical beauty is limited to certain traits that are only found in one group of people for instance, Leliana. However, there are other groups of people, myself included, who being to ethnicities NOT represented by that standard and in the case of Vivienne, see HER as a classic beauty.

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just a frustration I have with one segment of society determining what is beautiful for everyone else. Many places and cultures have "classical periods" but only one is set forth as the defining era.

[Octarin]

And so I will paraphrase the argument we had last night. The definition of classical beauty is limited to certain traits that are only found in one group of people for instance, Leliana. However, there are other groups of people, myself included, who being to ethnicities NOT represented by that standard and in the case of Vivienne, see HER as a classic beauty.

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just a frustration I have with one segment of society determining what is beautiful for everyone else. Many places and cultures have "classical periods" but only one is set forth as the defining era.

 

You asked what classical beauty is, as an art historian I felt compelled to reply. Beyond that point, I think everyone should determine what they fancy on their own and stop trying to impose their fancies, fantasies, complexes and oedipal syndrome leftovers to everyone else. And that's not a slight against you, but a generic comment at everyone and anyone, from fashion industry to gamergates to your next door neighbor to your mother, to anyone and everyone.  I won't even bother to debate something as immensely subjective.

[Sartoz]

I loved Cass's accent in the movie, and I love it in the game.  The Orlesian French-ish accent drives me up the wall though.  Especially the ones like Mother Giselle's.

Yes, I like Cass's accent as well. Giselle's accent sounds "forced". However, it's not entirely untrue as far as a French speaking individual speaking in English. And, of course, some peak with a heavier accent than others. Yes, I lived in Montreal decades ago.

 

For example:

French tonality does not have the TH sound as in the word "THE". The flower heather comes out as heeder. I kid you not. Probably because the pronunciation of the letters hea = tea and der  is as close as they can get to th

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

I, well, dislike the heavy french-ish accent and fancy orlesian pants. Maybe it's just me, but I like sturdy Ferelden style more.

[Rolenka]

This is an affront to ethics in gaming journalism everywhere.

[Eivuwan]

And so I will paraphrase the argument we had last night. The definition of classical beauty is limited to certain traits that are only found in one group of people for instance, Leliana. However, there are other groups of people, myself included, who being to ethnicities NOT represented by that standard and in the case of Vivienne, see HER as a classic beauty.

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just a frustration I have with one segment of society determining what is beautiful for everyone else. Many places and cultures have "classical periods" but only one is set forth as the defining era.

 

 

THIS is my exact frustration with people asking for conventionally beautiful characters. As a non-white person, I don't even know what that's suppose to mean.

[Sartoz]

Call me biased I just am so happy Bioware did not choose to make all the female characters look like botoxed supermodels and thought it was ballsy they went against the grain with all the female romance options. But, I get where you're coming from. There should be something for everyone and I guess there wasn't the more classically beautiful female option in Inquisition, which I understand.

Hmm.. glad you are happy.

 

However, given a preference, I prefer looking at a beautiful flower over weeds.

[Laurelinde]

Well as a weed, I'm pretty copacetic with it.  Women are not pretty (or unpretty) things to look at.  We do not exist nor deserve to exist solely on our aesthetic appeal.  I've no problem with beautiful, average and ugly characters in media because a mix is more realistic, and not all characters are created purely to fuel some kind of sexual fantasy.

 

As other people have said, beauty standards are not at all 'universal' even within a monoculture (think of the early Renaissance trend for plucking the forehead to give a woman a higher hairline, or the 20s flapper fad for flat chests and binding), let alone across cultures.  Moreover, in the West they skew heavily Eurocentric, so that women of other races or ethnicities are pretty much shut out of ever achieving 'beauty' from birth, no matter how symmetrical their features or proportional their bodies or clear their skin.  Basically, beauty standards are a minefield.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well as a weed, I'm pretty copacetic with it.  Women are not pretty (or unpretty) things to look at.  We do not exist nor deserve to exist solely on our aesthetic appeal.  I've no problem with beautiful, average and ugly characters in media because a mix is more realistic, and not all characters are created purely to fuel some kind of sexual fantasy.

 

As other people have said, beauty standards are not at all 'universal' even within a monoculture (think of the early Renaissance trend for plucking the forehead to give a woman a higher hairline, or the 20s flapper fad for flat chests and binding), let alone across cultures.  Moreover, in the West they skew heavily Eurocentric, so that women of other races or ethnicities are pretty much shut out of ever achieving 'beauty' from birth, no matter how symmetrical their features or proportional their bodies or clear their skin.  Basically, beauty standards are a minefield.

 

Character appearance in DA: I isn't really a problem. Josie is a pretty conventional beaty, isn't she? Or Cullen for female Inquisitors.

So I'd say there are some flaws but I can't call them critical.

 

The only real problem with party members and love interests is the lack of their background (most of which we take as a text or simple narrative). Other stuffs I like or am able to understand if someone likes.

[Liveshiptrader]

Well as a weed, I'm pretty copacetic with it.  Women are not pretty (or unpretty) things to look at.  We do not exist nor deserve to exist solely on our aesthetic appeal.  I've no problem with beautiful, average and ugly characters in media because a mix is more realistic, and not all characters are created purely to fuel some kind of sexual fantasy.

 

As other people have said, beauty standards are not at all 'universal' even within a monoculture (think of the early Renaissance trend for plucking the forehead to give a woman a higher hairline, or the 20s flapper fad for flat chests and binding), let alone across cultures.  Moreover, in the West they skew heavily Eurocentric, so that women of other races or ethnicities are pretty much shut out of ever achieving 'beauty' from birth, no matter how symmetrical their features or proportional their bodies or clear their skin.  Basically, beauty standards are a minefield.

 

Now you are right that people are not defined solely by there looks but physical beauty is just as much a trait as intelligence or strength and just like beauty people are admired for these traits.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Jesus christ I still can't believe all those wonderful graphics are in the PC and new gens and all I get is blurs and smudges... *sheds bitter tears*

 

This isn't even the maximum and the images lost some detail due to shrinking. The graphics are the best part of this game and I rate them 10 out of 10.

 

Btw... is it just me or does Leliana's body look different in dress uniform compared to her usual attire?

 

A little bit more on topic: I am pretty sure we arrived at the conclusion that attraction is highly subjective pages ago. Are we doing anything but repeating the same arguments now?

[Octarin]

This isn't even the maximum and the images lost some detail due to shrinking. The graphics are the best part of this game and I rate them 10 out of 10.

 

Btw... is it just me or does Leliana's body look different in dress uniform compared to her usual attire?

 

A little bit more on topic: I am pretty sure we arrived at the conclusion that attraction is highly subjective pages ago. Are we doing anything but repeating the same arguments now?

 

Lonely people making idle conversation come new year's. normal banter, for most. [btw stop spreading salt on me wounds about the ****** awful xbox360 graphics... :'( ]

[Kallas_br123]

Well as a weed, I'm pretty copacetic with it.  Women are not pretty (or unpretty) things to look at.  We do not exist nor deserve to exist solely on our aesthetic appeal.  I've no problem with beautiful, average and ugly characters in media because a mix is more realistic, and not all characters are created purely to fuel some kind of sexual fantasy.

 

As other people have said, beauty standards are not at all 'universal' even within a monoculture (think of the early Renaissance trend for plucking the forehead to give a woman a higher hairline, or the 20s flapper fad for flat chests and binding), let alone across cultures.  Moreover, in the West they skew heavily Eurocentric, so that women of other races or ethnicities are pretty much shut out of ever achieving 'beauty' from birth, no matter how symmetrical their features or proportional their bodies or clear their skin.  Basically, beauty standards are a minefield.

 

and yet people like to look at beautiful things, I am straight man, and I like to look at beautiful women on daily basis, the same goes for men, i prefer to see on my television a handsome man than ugly one. looking at something beautiful for 100+ hours is better to look at something ugly at any time.

 

But beauty is subjective culture and taste, but some aspects are universal within a culture, aspects that are pleasant to the eyes of any people (at least most) does not mean that if you do not adhere to this standard you are ugly, only that you are different, (for most at least, there are some people who really were not blessed with beauty in any form) and should work with what you have.

But as you select an actor for a play, a television show, a movie or a game, in the role of romantic interest, you must have these aspects of beauty that are standard, as so most viewers will identify with the part that should fall in love with the other.

[Eivuwan]

 

and yet people like to look at beautiful things, I am straight man, and I like to look at beautiful women on daily basis, the same goes for men, i prefer to see on my television a handsome man than ugly one. looking at something beautiful for 100+ hours is better to look at something ugly at any time.

 

But beauty is subjective culture and taste, but some aspects are universal within a culture, aspects that are pleasant to the eyes of any people (at least most) does not mean that if you do not adhere to this standard you are ugly, only that you are different, (for most at least, there are some people who really were not blessed with beauty in any form) and should work with what you have.

But as you select an actor for a play, a television show, a movie or a game, in the role of romantic interest, you must have these aspects of beauty that are standard, as so most viewers will identify with the part that should fall in love with the other.

 

 

Says who? Sure most actors/actresses are considered good-looking, but it's also possible to make it in the industry with unconventional looks. I for one am tired of looking at the same types of faces in Chinese drama. I can't even tell who's who because everyone looks the same.

[Eivuwan]

Honestly, looking through these threads, the beauty of the female LI don't even seem to be something that concerns most people. I think it's safe to say that the majority of the players find them beautiful enough.

[Kallas_br123]

Says who? Sure most actors/actresses are considered good-looking, but it's also possible to make it in the industry with unconventional looks. I for one am tired of looking at the same types of faces in Chinese drama. I can't even tell who's who because everyone looks the same.

hahah. sad, but yet funy.

 

but seriously, this only shows that you are the exception, not the rule, not need studies or statistics to prove this simply just turn on the television and you will see that the standard formula of current beauty still works. or be replaced.

 

so much so that if you pay attention, it has already been changed in the last decade, thin women are no longer a standard of beauty with such outstanding success, women in good shape are much more common in television and film today, with time standard changes. but it is there, and always will be.

[Kallas_br123]

Honestly, looking through these threads, the beauty of the female LI don't even seem to be something that concerns most people. I think it's safe to say that the majority of the players find them beautiful enough.

or simply we do not care that much, it would be great if they were more attractive? yes of course, I would like them to be more beautiful in future games? absolutely, but at the end of the day is only a game.

[Zobert]

Because you are trying to hide yet another 'poor me, I don't like the girls in this game, so it must be a conspiracy' thread as something else. I've asked you numerous times about EVIDENCE to support your claims since that's how you put the OP forward. But since you haven't provided any, I'm going to assume that you are just looking to complain about the female character looks.

 

I am new to the forum, but not new to Dragon Age having been a fan for many years.  I was a D&D player, I do all the nerdy LARP stuff and have spent as much money as everyone else.

 

What I feel has happened is that Dragon Age developers try to appeal to the vocal fans on this board and not those who don't speak up.  That makes sense.  

Therefore people who were quiet in the past should speak up.  I don't think that long hair means you're some sexpot stereotype.  I have long hair and am not a skank or fembot.  Was Eowyn in LOTR a sexpot?  Was Arwen?

 

I just feel disappointed with the overall trend towards androgynous looks in the game.  It makes it less fun for me, and there is nothing wrong with saying that.  If you're a male you have more options in a way because you have traditional bald and short cuts and longer hair for a more fun look.

 

Women don't have our extremes, just male styles and more of a short haired look.  Oh.  Or a "bun".

[Zobert]

I think there was a conscious choice from Bioware to veer away from "typical perfect" beauty, and they tried hard to emphasis alternative and more "regular/natural" beauty types.

 

I don't necessarily appreciate (I find Vivienne and Sera downright ugly, Cassandra too butch and find only Josephine attractive), but I respect the idea and the execution.

 

If that were true we wouldn't have Dorian.  He's my favorite character all around.  I really like him.  It would be nice if we had more of him.

[Gamescook]

They look fine.

 

They don't need to be perfect T&A.

Stop complaining.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Both Leliana and Morrigan have very attractive appearances and Scout Harding is the prettiest (DA) dwarf ever. Well, Bianca isn't too bad either...

 

Anyway, there are enough good looking women in this game, even if you can't romance them. Which is kinda of realistic, too.

[9TailsFox]

They look fine.

 

They don't need to be perfect T&A.

Stop complaining.

[Maverick827]

In don't know anything about "classical beauty," but I do know that there's enough of a conscious or unconscious hive mind when it comes to what people find attractive. To use a man as an example, because I'm sure some would get offended if I used a female (a double standard that should die), there's a reason why Steve Buscemi isn't as famous as Brad Pitt.

[9TailsFox]

I don't get why everyone is saying Leliana is conventionally attractive. I just don't get it.

Because she is. If this not help you, you will never understand.Her face shape and symmetry is perfect. Cassandra looks like she was hit in the face and I don't mean scar.

[Liveshiptrader]

Honestly, looking through these threads, the beauty of the female LI don't even seem to be something that concerns most people. I think it's safe to say that the majority of the players find them beautiful enough.

 

I have a good number of likes to specific comments that say otherwise.

 

There have been comments from people who have little interest in romancing females that say there appearance is fine, yes there appearance is fine, none of them are Quasimodo but none of them are the sort of women that many consider appealing love interests.

 

I don't tell women or gay men what they should find attractive in men.