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[Akkos]

There was also a rift in front of Redcliffe Village, to slow down the Inquisitor before they get to Fiona.......

 

 

Time magic was done before they get to Fiona obviously....

[Lulupab]

wait...  did i just hear that right?  warder rolled a mage?!  ok, need to think, worlds ending wtf do i do.

 

Not just a mage, A DALISH MAGE.

[Augustei]

People are still trying to justify Fionas idiotic choice to pledge the mages to Tevinter? The fact that the mages had Redcliffe Castle pretty much solidifys Fiona's idiocy. Its an almost impregnable fortress. The Orlesian Empire failed to capture it during their first invasion, Heck the Ferelden army and the Inquisition laid siege to it numerous times in the alternative future and failed to capture it despite only a small Venatori force holding it.
But Fiona just decides stuff it, lets give this fortress to Tevinter, **** on our benefactors the Ferelden Monarchy, and give ourselves as slaves to Fiona

The Templars wouldn't have attacked Redcliffe anyway, unless they were willing to risk war with Ferelden. At which point they would have been besieging an almost impregnable fortress while having the Ferelden army to deal with as well.
Doubt Fiona considered any of this however, She doesn't have any higher thought functions

[RobRam10]

People are still trying to justify Fionas idiotic choice to pledge the mages to Tevinter? The fact that the mages had Redcliffe Castle pretty much solidifys Fiona's idiocy. Its an almost impregnable fortress. The Orlesian Empire failed to capture it during their first invasion, Heck the Ferelden army and the Inquisition laid siege to it numerous times in the alternative future and failed to capture it despite only a small Venatori force holding it.
But Fiona just decides stuff it, lets give this fortress to Tevinter, **** on our benefactors the Ferelden Monarchy, and give ourselves as slaves to Fiona.
 

Since when giving something to the Imperium is a bad thing?

[Augustei]

Since when giving something to the Imperium is a bad thing?

Which Tevinter we talking about here?
The Venatori led by The One True God (Or the blasphemous fool who refuses to acknowledge Dumats Divine Sovreignty depending on who you talk to)
Or the Tevinter led by an Archon that offers an Alliance to the south's Inquisition and denounces The One True God?(Or said blasphemous fool)

[RobRam10]

Which Tevinter we talking about here?
The Venatori led by The One True God (Or the blasphemous fool who refuses to acknowledge Dumats Divine Sovreignty depending on who you talk to)
Or the Tevinter led by an Archon that offers an Alliance to the south's Inquisition and denounces The One True God?(Or said blasphemous fool)

To the Imperium led by its true master the Imperial Archon of course! Think about it if the rebel mages had truly align with the Imperium they would have been recalled to Tevinter where the vast majority would be sent to reinforce the frontlines of Seheron and the rest would be selled as slaves of the Magisters. Also Fiona would most likely be killed but alas it was not meant to be.

[Dermain]

wait...  did i just hear that right?  warder rolled a mage?!  ok, need to think, worlds ending wtf do i do.

 

A Dalish mage that was probably anti-Dalish, pro-chantry, but also pro-mage (likely conscripted).

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

People are still trying to justify Fionas idiotic choice to pledge the mages to Tevinter? The fact that the mages had Redcliffe Castle pretty much solidifys Fiona's idiocy. Its an almost impregnable fortress. The Orlesian Empire failed to capture it during their first invasion, Heck the Ferelden army and the Inquisition laid siege to it numerous times in the alternative future and failed to capture it despite only a small Venatori force holding it.
But Fiona just decides stuff it, lets give this fortress to Tevinter, **** on our benefactors the Ferelden Monarchy, and give ourselves as slaves to Fiona

The Templars wouldn't have attacked Redcliffe anyway, unless they were willing to risk war with Ferelden. At which point they would have been besieging an almost impregnable fortress while having the Ferelden army to deal with as well.
Doubt Fiona considered any of this however, She doesn't have any higher thought functions

It doesn't matter people can try to justify anything as they please, but it won't change the fact that Fiona is nothing more than a treacherous fool who make a bad decision. As Tyrannosaurus Rex has pointed out in another thread. I don't know what is more terrifying the pure cruelty and evil of Envy demon, or the sheer incompetence and idiocy of Fiona. She doesn't even give a second thought, and she sold herself and her people to a Tevinter Magister out of fear from the non existent threat She's also ungrateful enough to allow Alexius to cast out the people who gave her a sanctuary. She throws Ferelden's protection away to exchange with a vague promise with Alexius. She doesn't even know her Tevinter friends has kidnapped Tranquils left and right. She give people more reasons to hate and fear every mages. The worse part is her mind is always her own, she wasn't enthralled nor Alexius use blood magic to influence her. She's just being plain stupid and make a very poor decision out of desperation. Well, she's one of the worst if not the worst leader among every Dragon Age character.

 

 

To the Imperium led by its true master the Imperial Archon of course! Think about it if the rebel mages had truly align with the Imperium they would have been recalled to Tevinter where the vast majority would be sent to reinforce the frontlines of Seheron and the rest would be selled as slaves of the Magisters. Also Fiona would most likely be killed but alas it was not meant to be.

Oh please. You know she has outlived her usefulness to the Imperium.

[dgcatanisiri]

...Did anyone try the ham they had at camp yesterday? get some strange Doctor Who vibe out of this whole ordeal?

Because I did, but I've never seen the show but now it feels like I have and I blame Time Magic. *hand waves the issue* Time magic!

 

Timey wimey magicy wagicy.

 

Actually, I think the whole quote applies in this case: People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

 

Because the Inquisitor was outside of the spell, they experienced things as they were before the timeline was changed - they don't go to Redcliffe until after Alexius has cast his spell. Yes, there's a paradoxical nature to it all, but I've seen enough time travel stories to almost be confident in wrapping my head around it. I knew those years of watching and obsessing over Star Trek and Doctor Who would pay off eventually!

[Master Warder Z_]

Not just a mage, A DALISH MAGE.

Well that's the only elf you can roll this game so obviously.

[TEWR]

According to TVtropes Arl Gallagher Wulff apparently encouraged the Mages to join up with Tevinter, thinking they'd have more freedom there. Also he wanted them out of Ferelden.

 

...what a ******.

 

EDIT: And I read the TVTropes entry on Alexius' time magic. That makes it much clearer now. Alexius went back in time after hearing that Fiona went to Val Royeaux to meet with the Inquisitor and set his plot in full swing, with Venatori agents heading to Redcliffe begging Fiona to accept help from him while informing her of an imminent Templar attack, thus explaining why she "never went to Val Royeaux" and why she "feels strange".

 

As such, Wulff's support of the mages accepting the deal also comes into play, and Fiona was tricked into the exact parameters of the arrangement, unable to clearly specify the terms and when she found out what she had done she's just like "Well... ****".

[Kuvira]

Local time distortion is a pretty standard trope. Dorian even points out the rifts there are weird, and will eventually spread across the continent of Alexius is not stopped.

 

I don't think Fiona is dumb for making the deal she did, if Templars were really coming.You see plenty of evidence of strong individual Templars, but they never really showed there was any sort of infrastructure of powerful mages. I think Fiona would have lost way more people in an actual attack than selling everyone out to Tevinter.

 

 I'm just skeptical that someone with her experience would be so easily duped. 

[TEWR]

It's true. You can execute him for it or recruit him at the War Table.

 

How does one go about discovering this information? Is it only if you did the Templar quest?

[TEWR]

Huh, well that makes me a sad panda. You'd think Fiona would've mentioned that to me.

[raging_monkey]

Fiona's a little slow. Wish I could usurp her with my mage or make Vivienne leader of the Rebellion. At least they would've gone about things sensibly.

yeah for circles

[Rekkampum]

I think we need to remember that we have the power of Hindsight and Metagaming that Fiona does not. Hence there are many things we're privy to that influence how we would've dealt with the situation. Once you remove all of that from the situation, Fiona's position, while ultimately fruitless, makes sense given her personality and the available options. I took her decision more as a "Lesser Evil" situation. Not to forget she was essentially duped by Alexius.

[errantknight]

We shouldn't be.  The time magic was only possible because of the breach.  Alexius was supposed to stop the Inquisitor before the conclave, but because the breach didn't exist yet he couldn't go back in time before it happened (I believe that was the outcome during the Champions of the Just when you side with the Templars).  No breach, no time magic.

 

Unless the writers decide to change the rules, that was the only time we'll see time magic since the breach is now closed.

This is exactly the case. All that really matters is that you can keep that potential future from occurring, either conscripting Alexius or not. No one will ever have that much power again. My inquisitor spared Alexis and the mages, putting them to work for the inquisition. If there had been more options than simply conscript or ally, Fiona would likely have lost her head, though. Maybe my mage will feel differently--but I suspect he's actually going to go with the templars. The mages are business as usual from his pov, but something seems seriously hinky with the templars.

[thats1evildude]

But if Alexius travelled to Redcliffe before Fiona met The Herald, that event would never have taken place. So The Herald would have absolutely no recollection of it happening - because it never did - yet they do, so we have a plot hole on our hands.

 

Alexius altered the flow of time in Redcliffe, but not the rest of the world. So Fiona did travel to Val Royeaux and meet with the Inquisitor, but shortly after, Alexius altered time so that he got to Redcliffe before the Inquisitor and Fiona never ventured to the capital. Thus, Fiona's memories were altered, but the Inquisitor still recalled their meeting.

 

Just remember, it's time travel. Don't think about it too hard.

 

[Catche Jagger]

The more people dig into the the Mage quest, the more I realize how stupid that time magic crap was (and I usually like time travel plots). It's existence and use was poorly explained in-game and was used as a device to make the mages carry a massive Idiot Ball (or an even bigger Idiot Ball, if you believe they were wrong to rebel in the first place)

[raging_monkey]

The more people dig into the the Mage quest, the more I realize how stupid that time magic crap was (and I usually like time travel plots). It's existence and use was poorly explained in-game and was used as a device to make the mages carry a massive Idiot Ball (or an even bigger Idiot Ball, if you believe they were wrong to rebel in the first place)

mages are cerberus lol

[nightscrawl]

I was a bit disappointed that Dorian didn't have more to say during that Western Approach area. Also, I've never been able to see what Dorian has described as the time shifting around these weird rifts. Can you actually SEE that in the game, do I just need to look more closely/pay more attention?

 

He's a handy little tranquil to my Dalish Mage.

Sweeping the floor and such!

Such a good little pet.

 
Did you seriously do that? Man, I bet Dorian was pissed.