Frankly, i hope they never find a way to do this. Im frustrated enough that they found a way to heal Tranquility at all, it takes the power away from it as a story element.
I tend to support the mages, and believe that the Rite is akin to mutilation, but thats what I want it to be as audience to the story being told. Removing the teeth of the Rite, making it humane, making it curable, feels like a major cop out. It should be a horrible scary thing.
The rite is an abomination in my opinion. I think it is better to kill them than to leave them in that state, emotionless. It is extremely cruel to remove everything that makes a human free, leaving just a mindless shell.
Starting to turn the corner on this myself. While monstrous, it has its uses.
There are quite a few monsters in Dragon Age that deserve to suffer such a fate.
So balance must be made.
Like I said before - balance is for people who have no idea what they want in life. I do not need a balance between being happy and sad, or between being healthy and sick. Same concept goes for all things that you consider important in life.
If a person has free will to do what they want to do then the only person that should do it is the one that wants to do it.
Which is why I said I do 
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Like I said before - balance is for people who have no idea what they want in life. I do not need a balance between being happy and sad, or between being healthy and sick. Same concept goes for all things that you consider important in life.
Balance is needed in this setting, as long as there is a veil and material world. It might've not been needed in some ancient bygone age.. because balance was already part of the system to begin with. Now it's up to regular people to fight for it.
Which is why I said I do
Fair enough, angry fellow. 
Frankly, i hope they never find a way to do this. Im frustrated enough that they found a way to heal Tranquility at all, it takes the power away from it as a story element.
I tend to support the mages, and believe that the Rite is akin to mutilation, but thats what I want it to be as audience to the story being told. Removing the teeth of the Rite, making it humane, making it curable, feels like a major cop out. It should be a horrible scary thing.
Eh, the teeth aren't out of it yet. Right now there's no safe way to do it for mages. Even if there was would everyone just be untranquiled? If not how do you decide who deserves it an who doesn't? Also it's doubtful they'll be the same person they were before being made tranquil, and that makes it even harder to decide who to do it too :/
Balance is needed in this setting, as long as there is a veil and material world. It might've not been needed in some ancient bygone age.. because balance was already part of the system to begin with. Now it's up to regular people to fight for it.
One thing Cory and Solas had a nice idea about is - veil needs to go.
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Eh, the teeth aren't out of it yet. Right now there's no safe way to do it for mages. Even if there was would everyone just be untranquiled? If not how do you decide who deserves it an who doesn't? Also it's doubtful they'll be the same person they were before being made tranquil, and that makes it even harder to decide who to do it too :/
Not to mention some would mentally break. There's one tranquil mother giselle asks if she'd want to be cured.. the tranquil says no, because she probably couldn't cope with the things she's been through. Now only being tranquil keeps her sane. :\
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One thing Cory and Solas had a nice idea about is - veil needs to go.
Solas has multiple ideas. One minute he wants the veil to go. The next he praises Cassandra for "enforcing reality" with templar/seeker skills, and that he's open to the idea of the Maker.
He's probably called the trickster for a reason.
Solas has multiple ideas. One minute he wants the veil to go. The next he praises Cassandra for "enforcing reality" with templar/seeker skills, and that he's open to the idea of the Maker.
He's probably called the trickster for a reason.
Meh, Still think the veil should go.
I honestly spared Anders because I assumed he would hold the key to curing Tranquility, but after reading Asunder I killed him since it turns out there's already a risky way that doesn't involve him :/ But yeah, I know it won't solve everything, hence why I said you either choose to lose your powers and stay or keep them and go to the tower - That way you're actually given a human choice rather than having to choose between being lobotomized and imprisoned in the tower. You want to keep your powers? There's gotta be a drawback.
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If the Harrowing wasn't required, it would also solve a lot of problems. I mean, what exactly are they gonna do if you have their phylactery? Why not treat them as a problem only if they actually *become* a problem? That whole "the Rite shouldn't be used as a punishment" thing really baffled me. Why not? That's precisely what it *should* be used for: for actual crazy bloodmages who have tried to mind control people or sacrifice people or whatever. For people like Erimund. Not on scared apprentices who just don't want to have a demon shoved into their mind unannounced at 3 AM some night.
It cuts off their connection to the fade, removing their ability to cast spells and invite possession. A Tranquil (As We've seen) can still be possessed, but it would require a whole carefully prepared ritual, not a lapse in judgement / moment of weakness.
Where have you ever seen a possessed Tranquil? If you mean the Circle Tower in Origins, those weren't possessed Tranquil. Those were demons using the bodies of Tranquil to manifest in this world as Shades. And if you mean the case in Asunder, he was no longer Tranquil at that point.
Seriously, if the procedure just removed the powers and nothing else then a LOT of grief over the series would be dampened: Say someone exhibits magic the Templars could give them the option to have it removed or for the Mage to keep it in exchange for being taken to the cirle with the option to remove it if they dislike Tower life.
Hence the reason Divine Justinia commissioned research to develop a Rite of Tranquility that did exactly that.
Where have you ever seen a possessed Tranquil? If you mean the Circle Tower in Origins, those weren't possessed Tranquil. Those were demons using the bodies of Tranquil to manifest in this world as Shades. And if you mean the case in Asunder, he was no longer Tranquil at that point.
I believe what they were saying is just that Tranquil have the capacity to still be possessed and that would nullify Tranquility, not that they can be both Tranquil and possessed at the same time.
I believe what they were saying is just that Tranquil have the capacity to still be possessed and that would nullify Tranquility, not that they can be both Tranquil and possessed at the same time.
How would that be a Tranquil being possessed though? That's like saying I can't walk again if I lose my legs, but I can if I get a whole new pair.
Besides, I think Tranquility has to be cured first, and then possession happens. Tranquil can't be possessed period, according to Gaider.
That was a large point of the plot of asunder. The guy who ended up cured of tranquility had been looking for a way to modify the rite to just remove magic and not emotions.
Become a super templar? Yes please. Like spectres.
You assume being a seeker is simple like that. You first need to be very faithful and go through a year long vigil. Then, you need to be faithful enough that the spirit of faith decides to touch you. If you aren't, you are permanently tranquil. Is that worth it?
If you aren't, you are permanently tranquil. Is that worth it?
Or killed... to maintain secrecy of the ritual.
You assume being a seeker is simple like that. You first need to be very faithful and go through a year long vigil. Then, you need to be faithful enough that the spirit of faith decides to touch you. If you aren't, you are permanently tranquil. Is that worth it?
Question: How the hell did you know I assumed any of that from what I just said? LOL
Answer: Yes.
It's only "welcome" because they are unable to feel any emotion about it.
When Karl was made lucid thanks to Justice, he pleaded with Anders to just kill him than let him be like that. How that's remotely "pleasant" I have no idea.
If they don't mind after it's done then I don't see a problem.
From what I recall from Asunder and it's been some time since I've read it, the OP has the cause and effect reversed here. The Rite doesn't take somone's magic away and deny them of their emotions, it takes their magic away by denying them of their emotions.
From what I recall from Asunder and it's been some time since I've read it, the OP has the cause and effect reversed here. The Rite doesn't take somone's magic away and deny them of their emotions, it takes their magic away by denying them of their emotions.
Thats why its called the Rite of Tranquility after all, not Rite of Magic Sealing or something.
I think it's interesting that the Qunari haven't developed a similar procedure to make mages tranquil. They would love that ****. I'm really surprised they haven't traded the Black Powder recipe to the Templars for the Rite of Tranquility procedure.
That's because the Saarebas have a reason to be mages. Even if it is a plight. Making them Tranquil would be the same as making a peasant a King for them : it has not to happen.
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