I don't see what's so bad about killing the Old Gods preemptively. By their will or not, they're basically sending a huge homing signal to an impossible-to-eradicate horde of monsters. The idea that there may be something worse doesn't really matter if the darkspawn corrupt them and force someone to kill them later.
I wanna know what he's doing yesterday. This lore-spanking c**k tease is not cool, man.
Exactly. People are forgetting the Old Gods are calling out to the darkspawn.
Exactly. So what are the Darkspawn going to do when there's no more signal to send them scurrying all over the Deep Roads?
Personally I doubt it'll be "Take up disco and never bother the surface world again."
Exactly. So what are the Darkspawn going to do when there's no more signal to send them scurrying all over the Deep Roads?
Personally I doubt it'll be "Take up disco and never bother the surface world again."
But then what other solution is there? With the Old Gods in existence, the darkspawn are inevitably going to bother the surface world again when they corrupt one of them.
Exactly. So what are the Darkspawn going to do when there's no more signal to send them scurrying all over the Deep Roads?
Personally I doubt it'll be "Take up disco and never bother the surface world again."
On the other hand, no Archdemon to actually direct them. So they would be less dangerous still.
Exactly. So what are the Darkspawn going to do when there's no more signal to send them scurrying all over the Deep Roads?
Personally I doubt it'll be "Take up disco and never bother the surface world again."
If they come to the surcface they will face utter destruction. Without the archdemon the darkspawn are not unified there would be one last war where they cause lot of damage the nations of thedas would untite on last time and route them once and for all. At that point they would have been beaten 7 times at their full strength. If they couldn't get the job with 7 archdemons I doubt they could get it done without one.
If they come to the surcface they will be destroyed. Without the archdemon the darkspawn are not unified there would be one last war where they cause lot of damage the nations of thedas would untite on last time and route them once and for all. At that point they would have been beaten 7 times at their full strength. If they couldn't get the job with 7 archdemons I doubt they could get it done without one.
Thats the thing though, they don't need to be unified or directed. If they start coming up in mass, all across Thedas as this is no organized invasion, with their sheer numbers they'll wear down nations through attrition alone. To say nothing of the effect that a constant Darkspawn presence on the surface would have on the people and the environment. Anyone want to see a Thedas that looks like the Western Approach from coast to coast?
But then what other solution is there? With the Old Gods in existence, the darkspawn are inevitably going to bother the surface world again when they corrupt one of them.
As of right now there isn't one. Which is why it's probably a bad idea to start hacking away that the only buffer we have between us and constant Darkspawn onslaught until we find a solution.
As odd is it is to say right now the Old Gods are doing the entire world an unintentional favor by keeping the vast majority of Darkspawn distracted underground.
The darkspawn are a ever present threat there is no quick fix to get rid of them. Thedas and the Wardens can either continue to weather the storm and ride out next two blights hopeing that will be the end of mass invasions or carry out a premptive strike to kill their leadership and hope that is the end of it aswell. The only other solution is to let the architect continue his plans for a darkspawn awakening and hope once again that's the end of this perpetual state of war both sides are locked in.
The darkspawn are a ever present threat there is no quick fix to get rid of them. Thedas and the Wardens can either continue to weather the storm and ride out next two blights hopeing that will be the end of mass invasions or carry out a premptive strike to kill their leadership and hope that is the end of it aswell. The only other solution is to let the architect continue his plans for a darkspawn awakening and hope once again that's the end of this perpetual state of war both sides are locked in.
Or try and find another way rather then leading one last suicide charge that, while certainly sounding heroic, will likely amount to absolutely nothing in the long run?
That, I think, was ultimately Solas' point in all of this. Trying to do good is admirable but if in the end you've either made things worse or changed nothing then it was never worth doing.
Action is not inherently superior to inaction.
Seeking out old gods before they're corrupted by darkspawn is pretty monstrous, even minus the demon summoning the Wardens were doing.
They'd be killing these gods in their sleep, for no reason beyond "they could become corrupted later". And what if killing the last of them caused all the darkspawn stay on the surface forever (since they'd no longer be called to find and free the next one)? They could very well kill these beings only to discover that it made the world more dangerous than before.
Given that blights aren't a hypothetical "could happen" but a definite "will happen", one could argue that the truly monstrous thing would be to allow the Old Gods to slumber in peace, knowing that inaction will guarantee tens of thousands of deaths, if not more.
Of course, the second consideration is a valid concern, but I'm not about to fault the Wardens for not being paralyzed by questions of "what if".
The grey wardens have been fighting and studying the darkspawn for a thousand years and so have the dwarves and have found no method to barter peace. At some point there comes a time when you have to stop beating your head against a wall and accept there are no other alternatives. It's either them or us. Kill them as quickly and effciently as you can.
The grey wardens have been fighting and studying the darkspawn for a thousand years and so have the dwarves and have found no method to barter peace. At some point there comes a time when you have to stop beating your head against a wall and accept there are no other alternatives. It's either them or us. Kill them as quickly and effciently as you can.
But thats just it; the Wardens going by this plan wouldn't kill the Darkspawn. Oh yes many, many would die but the goal would be to find and kill the remaning Old Gods, not the Brood Mothers. Considering the scale of the Deep Roads some are going to survive, repopulate and then... do whatever Darkspawn did before there were Old Gods calling to them. Which could easily be much better or much worse then the Blights ever were.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. It's a tactical descion born from desperation; they thought they were all going to become ghouls and no wardens would be left to rebuild the order. I think killing the old gods before they rise is a sound plan, the only fault with what they were going to do was relying on demons and blood magic. Cause that **** is tricky and shady, and always seems to backfire.
Seeking out old gods before they're corrupted by darkspawn is pretty monstrous, even minus the demon summoning the Wardens were doing.
They'd be killing these gods in their sleep, for no reason beyond "they could become corrupted later". And what if killing the last of them caused all the darkspawn stay on the surface forever (since they'd no longer be called to find and free the next one)? They could very well kill these beings only to discover that it made the world more dangerous than before.
Is it monstrous? In the end they will be found and another blight begins. Search for them and kill them before they can be corrupted prevents another blight and countless death.
Sorry for my bad english and a happy new year to you all.
Solas strongly hints in a banter with Blackwall that once all of the Archdemon/Old Gods are gone, that won't be the end of the Blights. I can't remember the exact wording but I heard it late last night.
He knows something no one else does, and he's not telling.
I tend to think Cory is at least partly telling the truth: the Magisters didn't cause the Golden City to turn black. IMO, they are, however, responsible for bringing the corruption they found there out of the Fade. So they didn't start the infection, but they certainly spread it. I think it was the War among the
Is it monstrous? In the end they will be found and another blight begins. Search for them and kill them before they can be corrupted prevents another blight and countless death.
Sorry for my bad english and a happy new year to you all.
Some people think it's monstrous because they subscribe to the theory that becaus Flemeth is Mythal and she can take the form of a high dragon that the old gods are actually the elven gods locked away. But they are forgetting that even if its true the old gods\eleven gods call out to the darkspawn for aid- not elves not humans, darkspawn. What they are also forgetting is that once found the archdemon\old god\elven god takes control of the darkspawn horde, not the other way around. It then commands the horde to destroy, rape and pillage on a catastrophic scale.
Isn't the idea that the old Gods are corrupted by the darkspawn/blight? We've seen plenty of cases where regular people, animals and even lyrium is twisted by the blight into a thing of evil. Why should the old gods be any different?Some people think it's monstrous because they subscribe to the theory that becaus Flemeth is Mythal and she can take the form of a high dragon that the old gods are actually the elven gods locked away. But they are forgetting that even if its true the old gods\eleven gods call out to the darkspawn for aid- not elves not humans, darkspawn. What they are also forgetting is that once found the archdemon\old god\elven god takes control of the darkspawn horde, not the other way around. It then commands the horde to destroy, rape and pillage on a catastrophic scale.
Isn't the idea that the old Gods are corrupted by the darkspawn/blight? We've seen plenty of cases where regular people, animals and even lyrium is twisted by the blight into a thing of evil. Why should the old gods be any different?
And in regards to them calling to the darkspawn for help..... Maybe they're not specifically calling the darkspawn? Maybe they're simply calling out for help and the darkspawn are the only ones who can hear them? Like their pleas are on a specific frequency and the darkspawn are set to that station by default.
It's possible the old gods may not be aware or willing. But they are still a massive threat and the old god has to still be killed anyway. The next two blights are inevitable if you have the opportunity to end them before they begin why not take it?
It's possible the old gods may not be aware or willing. But they are still a massive threat and the old god has to still be killed anyway. The next two blights are inevitable if you have the opportunity to end them before they begin why not take it?
Yep, that is what i thinking, not only for myself, i think of all species. dwarfes, elves and humans and rams.... 
Sorry for my bad english
Solas strongly hints in a banter with Blackwall that once all of the Archdemon/Old Gods are gone, that won't be the end of the Blights. I can't remember the exact wording but I heard it late last night.
He knows something no one else does, and he's not telling.
I tend to think Cory is at least partly telling the truth: the Magisters didn't cause the Golden City to turn black. IMO, they are, however, responsible for bringing the corruption they found there out of the Fade. So they didn't start the infection, but they certainly spread it. I think it was the War among the
Spoilerthat caused the Black City.
Yes, i agree. I too think that cory partly tell's the truth, but i struggle to believe anything that solas tell's.
Sorry for my bad english
Solas strongly hints in a banter with Blackwall that once all of the Archdemon/Old Gods are gone, that won't be the end of the Blights. I can't remember the exact wording but I heard it late last night.
He knows something no one else does, and he's not telling.
I tend to think Cory is at least partly telling the truth: the Magisters didn't cause the Golden City to turn black. IMO, they are, however, responsible for bringing the corruption they found there out of the Fade. So they didn't start the infection, but they certainly spread it. I think it was the War among the
Spoilerthat caused the Black City.
I am probably wrong,
How can anyone even blame them (the Old Gods) for calling out to... anyone, really.
They are trapped, way deep in earth. Their options are to stay silent and risk never to be found, or call out and risk being found by Darkspawn. Keyword here is trapped. They are not chilling somewhere in a remote space inside the earth cause that's what they do and love. They are forced to be there.
Of course they are calling out. It's their only chance of ANYTHING.
Yeah, sure, call out to the things that will mutate the crap out of you and turn you into a killing machine. So much better than sleeping.
Yeah, sure, call out to the things that will mutate the crap out of you and turn you into a killing machine. So much better than sleeping.
Being buried alive is likely not as comfortable and peaceful as normal sleep. Were it me, I'd probably be going crazy and accept the Taint just to get above ground again.
Being buried alive is likely not as comfortable and peaceful as normal sleep. Were it me, I'd probably be going crazy and accept the Taint just to get above ground again.
The thing is I simply don't believe they are the victims some make them out to be. They have way to many to connections to darkspawn and blights. We know they told the magisters to go to the black city to go get power and they brought the blight back with them, now they only call out to blighted creatures to come free them. If they called out to cultist in Tevinter like they did before they could be free and unspoiled but they don't do that. They just call to darkspawn.
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