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#401
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Bisexual usually means into two or more genders, pansexuality in other hand into all genders.

The "bi" in bisexual literally means two and only refers only to males and females, nothing less, nothing more. Do not confuse people into thinking otherwise.



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Aw what's wrong with Joker and EDI? It's probably the closest he'll will ever get to a woman. :crying:



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The "bi" in bisexual literally means two and only refers only to males and females, nothing less, nothing more. Do not confuse people into thinking otherwise.

 

No. 

 

If you are bisexual and that's how you define it, then fine, but recognize that the community at large is moving away from it, and don't invalidate that to other people.

 

If you're not, then maybe step down and let people work through these things. Words and concepts of sexuality change over time, because our understanding is ever growing and changing, and also that's how language works. 


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Aw what's wrong with Joker and EDI? It's probably the closest he'll will ever get to a woman. :crying:

 

But but but EDI is a fine woman!



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Language and perception of sexuality changes, but "bi" comes from ancient Greek. It hasn't changed in definition in thousands of years, it means two,it will always mean two
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The whole point of BSN. The whole point.

 

It brings the lowest of low out of you. I am more polite on 4chan on average than I am on BSN.

That doesn't say a lot when 4chan is partitioned into multiple smaller boards, all of whom vary wildly in their levels of sophistication and manners. For example, /m/, the mecha and super sentai board, is probably the nicest place on the internet... and yet, it is at all times separated by just one and not more than one hyperlink to /b/, the random board, which is the closest thing the internet has to an *******.



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That doesn't say a lot when 4chan is partitioned into multiple smaller boards, all of whom vary wildly in their levels of sophistication and manners. For example, /m/, the mecha and super sentai board, is probably the nicest place on the internet... and yet, it is at all times separated by just one and not more than one hyperlink to /b/, the random board, which is the closest thing the internet has to an *******.

 

But you know what the b in /b/ stands for?

 

Blood Magic! It was Blood Magic! Just like the B in BSN. Also Blood Magic!

 

Terrible state of affairs I am afraid.



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/b/ is a walk in the park compared to /pol/ or /v/

/d/ conversely is quite polite.

*note*

/d/ is very much nsfw

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Bisexuality = attraction to (1) those of the same gender and (2) those of different genders/gender presentations.

That is all. No male/female binary necessary.
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No. 

 

If you are bisexual and that's how you define it, then fine, but recognize that the community at large is moving away from it, and don't invalidate that to other people.

 

If you're not, then maybe step down and let people work through these things. Words and concepts of sexuality change over time, because our understanding is ever growing and changing, and also that's how language works. 

The word "bi" has always meant two. Bipolar, bipartisan, bilateral... it refers to two things, and two things only. In this case, it refers to a sexual preference for both men and women. "The community" sure thinks a lot of themselves to arbitrarily change ancient, proven and accepted definitions of ancient, proven and accepted words. The need for sexual labeling is not an excuse to butcher the greek dictionary.

 

 

Language and perception of sexuality changes, but "bi" comes from ancient Greek. It hasn't changed in definition in thousands of years, it means two,it will always mean two

I like this human, he understands.


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Language and perception of sexuality changes, but "bi" comes from ancient Greek. It hasn't changed in definition in thousands of years, it means two,it will always mean two

 

Oh yeah, definitely, I think that if people couldn't find a way to make bisexuality work with an understanding that didn't incorporate some idea of duality, then they'd move on. And some have, hence all the confusion over the difference between pan and bi. But vertigogomez illustrated how people processed it, and it works. Shrug. 

 

...although it is completely possible that by some quirk of language, the prefix bi will eventually not mean two. I mean, look at what's happening to "literally". :lol: Languages are weird. 


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Personally, I was (mostly) an Anders romancer who typically fooled around with both Isabela and Fenris beforehand (since you could do so without feeling like a total dick), so Fenris/Isabela almost never happened for me and if it did, I had no personal stake in it. 

 

Joker/EDI never bothered me, but I played ME3 before the other games, so perhaps that altered my perspective.



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/b/ is a walk in the park compared to /pol/ or /v/

I do not argue with that. I merely point out that for the internet, /b/ serves a similar purpose that the exit orifice of the human waste disposal system does for the human body.

 

Whereas /pol/ is more like the internet's Beer Putsch Hall and /v/ is... /v/?

 

/d/ conversely is quite polite.

*note*

/d/ is very much nsfw

And yet, they are not nearly as perverted as /tg/.

 

I have no idea how that works.



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As for the dialogue choice -- I just don't really see why a transphobic choice should even be present. Mass Effect didn't let you **** on Steve for being gay -- why is the option there for Krem? I don't particularly want to give narrow-minded people more opportunity to speak their minds. 

Because some people like to role play assholes. Sometimes I want to be a nice person. Some times I want to be a scumbag. Sometimes something in the middle. Im creating characters, not avatars.

 

Frankly, I found Krems response to "I dont understand, why are you pretending to be a man" more insulting than anything else. "I AM A MAN!!!!!" doesn't exactly explain that he identified as male, despite his physical form.


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The "bi" in bisexual literally means two and only refers only to males and females, nothing less, nothing more. Do not confuse people into thinking otherwise.

 

I know what it literally means but practical is not always same as literal. I have seen people describing it as two or more genders so that's why I'm using it as well, I didn't want to exclude bisexuals who are attracted to more genders but define themselves as bisexuals.


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Somewhere my old English teacher is having a seizure. The poor woman.



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Oh yeah, definitely, I think that if people couldn't find a way to make bisexuality work with an understanding that didn't incorporate some idea of duality, then they'd move on. And some have, hence all the confusion over the difference between pan and bi. But vertigogomez illustrated how people processed it, and it works. Shrug. 
 
...although it is completely possible that by some quirk of language, the prefix bi will eventually not mean two. I mean, look at what's happening to "literally". :lol: Languages are weird.

. Ancient Greek is a dead language, its no longer evolving. Any changes will cone through misuse

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Oh yeah, definitely, I think that if people couldn't find a way to make bisexuality work with an understanding that didn't incorporate some idea of duality, then they'd move on. And some have, hence all the confusion over the difference between pan and bi. But vertigogomez illustrated how people processed it, and it works. Shrug.

The word those people are looking for is "polysexual". It differs from bisexuality in that it covers more than two genders, and differs from pansexuality in that it doesn't cover all genders. Using the word "bisexual" to cover the meaning of "polysexual" is extremely redundant since the word polysexual very clearly exists.

 

I swear, if people just googled **** sometimes...

 

 

...although it is completely possible that by some quirk of language, the prefix bi will eventually not mean two. I mean, look at what's happening to "literally". :lol: Languages are weird. 

No, people are weird. And there is a special hell for those who defile the languages we've been using without fail for the last 2000 years.



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Think about how the word "awe" is used in "awful" and "awesome."

 

And then compare that to the meanings of the words.

 

Languages really are weird.


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...there is a special hell for those who defile the languages we've been using without fail for the last 2000 years.

 

Don't worry. After our generation dies out, the words will again prove themselves, and again be misused by the next generation on whatever social platforms they'd be using then.

 

(Unless we nuke ourselves first or open a breach in the sky.)



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Why do I feel that I need to pull a Snagglepuss and exit stage left.  This thread has taken on a bizarre and hostile tone.  Yikes.



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You people do understand that the terms Bisexual, Homosexial, and hetrosexual are essentially meaningless, right?

 

Scientists have agreed for a while that sexuality is on a gradient, not a set 3 or 4 plateaus, separated by stone.



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I know what it literally means but practical is not always same as literal. I have seen people describing it as two or more genders so that's why I'm using it as well, I didn't want to exclude bisexuals who are attracted to more genders but define themselves as bisexuals.

Bisexuals who are attracted to more genders should not confuse themselves and others by identifying as bisexuals, just the same way I do not confuse myself and others by identifying as a centrist when my real political views are leftist.



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I know what it literally means but practical is not always same as literal. I have seen people describing it as two or more genders so that's why I'm using it as well, I didn't want to exclude bisexuals who are attracted to more genders but define themselves as bisexuals.

. Congrats if they are more attracted to more than two genders they are no longer bisexual.

I can't call myself heterosexual if I'm attracted to anything besides a woman,otherwise I'm misusing the term
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You people do understand that the terms Bisexual, Homesexial, and hetrosexual are essentially meaningless, right?

 

Scientists have agreed that sexuality is on a gradient, not a set 3 or 4 plateaus, separated by stone.

 

But we like to categorize. Put all the blue balls with the blue balls, and red squares with the red squares, and separate all the peas from the ashes. (Which caused a lot of the issues we have today, but hey)

 

 

(I assume some of our seated get off on video game characters written by Bioware. Where is that on the gradient?)